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The performance summary is now there, including mll. They tested the UT50 at .0037, whereas they tested the ST50 at .005.

D-Nice measured the 50ST50's Black Level and reported 0.0028fL.

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Here is a question for everyone who owns the UT50: is it normal to have motion jitter in vertical lines? For example, panning side to side causes things like light posts to be distracting - not blurry, but jittery. The same with people quickly moving side to side. I'm trying to figure out if some level of this is normal or if there is a setting to improve it. I played Witt the obvious settings and nothing seems to improve this. Is it source or content-dependent? I thought the fast refresh rate would eliminate this.

I moved up from a 40" to the 50UT50 and wonder if part of my observations are related to not being used to the larger size.

By the way, I sit about 8' from the set and most content is HD through TiVo or DVD/HD through AppleTV. In both cases, the HDMI runs through a receiver (Sony dts 810).

The TV is spectacular aside from this and I can live with it as is, but wonder if it is the norm for this or all larger TVs. Or, alternatively, if a calibration could improve it.

I appreciate any thoughts you have.

Try setting your motion smoother to off if you haven't already done so under advanced settings.
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D-Nice measured the 50ST50's Black Level and reported 0.0028fL.

By that logic D-Nice would report a lower reading for the UT50. Let's not compare apples to oranges.
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By that logic D-Nice would report a lower reading for the UT50. Let's not compare apples to oranges.

What's strange is that in the CNET article, they claim the ST50 and e8000 plasmas appeared slightly darker in a dark room compared to the UT50, yet their data of mll fully contradicts this. I wonder what their thoughts are on this.
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By that logic D-Nice would report a lower reading for the UT50. Let's not compare apples to oranges.

The point is that how can they state that the UT50's black levels don't go as deep as the ST50, yet their black level test results for the UT50 are so much lower than their own ST50 results? Something isn't equitable with their testing or their results.

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Did you decide if you are going with the 55 or 60 yet? Have you had a chance to try out 3d?
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I'm going with the 55" and the glasses haven't arrived yet. I'll update when it's all setup.
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Thanks for the help, PathofNeo and Mantiz. I'll play around with the settings some more. Your comment about cables is interesting. Could that make a difference? My cables are not new, but they weren't cheap either. I may try to direct-connect a source to see if it makes a difference bypassing the receiver. It seems odd to me that all sources, even the XBox have similar judder, though with variation across material as you said.

All of this being said, I watched a movie tonight on AppleTV with Motion Smoothing set to Medium and it looked quite good. I get what you are saying about different success levels across various sources.

Thanks again for the thoughts.
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Did you decide if you are going with the 55 or 60 yet? Have you had a chance to try out 3d?

I hope you're not buying this pdp for the 3d.......It's well known that this year's line-up, across the board, have more crosstalk than even last year's line-up.
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I hope you're not buying this pdp for the 3d.......It's well known that this year's line-up, across the board, have more crosstalk than even last year's line-up.

Nah! I really don't care for 3d, but I would try some ps3 games in 3d just to see what I think.
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From what I've seen on the ST50, 3D looks great. I thought 3D on last year's models looked great too (my friend has an ST30). Perhaps I just haven't seen enough "good" 3D, but I guess I'll see for sure when my VT50 arrives next week...

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Amazon warehouse is currently selling the TCP42UT50 for $645.76.
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Calibration Results for a Dark Room

RGB Range - Auto
Content type - Graphics (probably the most important setting to change, colors too saturated left OFF/Auto)

Absolutely. Content Type = Graphics turns off a ton of processing on all modes. Custom becomes much more like Cinema except brighter.

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I calibrated my friend's 42UT50 with these settings:

Warm Default    Calibrated Change
R-Cut   80      88      +8
G-Cut   80      80      0
B-Cut   80      7A      -6
                        
R-Drv   ED      EC      -1
G-Drv   FF      FF      0
B-Drv   80      90      +16
                        
HDMI Content    Graphics                 
                        
Custom                  
Contrast                95               
Brightness      50               
Color           47               
Tint            0                
Sharpness       25               
Color Temp      Warm2    

*** HDMI Content Type = Graphics (This is required)
It looked vrey good and much brighter than Cimena mode.

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Amazon warehouse is currently selling the TCP42UT50 for $645.76.

But I do not understand what good used means I read it somewhere before and I assume that it could be really scratched up ?.......
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But I do not understand what good used means I read it somewhere before and I assume that it could be really scratched up ?.......

They usually have a brief description of the item at the bottom of the listing. You have to click on read more I believe and it gives you a summary. I don't believe these warehouse items come with the manufactures warranty either. They always suggest you buy a squaretrade warranty.
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Amazon warehouse is currently selling the TCP42UT50 for $645.76.

Those are used TVs, not new. Avoid.

Pauls TV still has some 42 inchers left, currently going for about $719. It's a shame that this TV is discontinued, we'll never see another 42" 1080p Plasma again.

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Those are used TVs, not new. Avoid.

Pauls TV still has some 42 inchers left, currently going for about $719. It's a shame that this TV is discontinued, we'll never see another 42" 1080p Plasma again.

Pauls is a good deal, however, if something is wrong with the TV right out the box(less damage) you have to wait to get it fixed. I do not like the idea that you can not send it back to Pauls. Or you can but you have to pay the shipping back from what I understand or that applies if you do not want it I guess.
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Pauls is a good deal, however, if something is wrong with the TV right out the box(less damage) you have to wait to get it fixed. I do not like the idea that you can not send it back to Pauls. Or you can but you have to pay the shipping back from what I understand or that applies if you do not want it I guess.

I've talked to a rep via phone @ Paul's tv, as I am looking at getting the 42 for my bedroom and asked them about returns. They told me if you notice a defect with the tv, you need to contact them within the first week and they can authorize a return or swap. If you wait beyond that or a problem appears within a few weeks or so you might have to go through panasonic. They should cover the shipping if it's within that first week.
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Pauls is a good deal, however, if something is wrong with the TV right out the box(less damage) you have to wait to get it fixed. I do not like the idea that you can not send it back to Pauls. Or you can but you have to pay the shipping back from what I understand or that applies if you do not want it I guess.

Actually Paul's will exchange the TV if it goes defective soon after you get it, and they'll cover shipping both ways.

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Your SM changes were confusing for a moment until i realized the columns weren't lining up.

Did you measure MML?

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Absolutely. Content Type = Graphics turns off a ton of processing on all modes. Custom becomes much more like Cinema except brighter.

I calibrated my friend's 42UT50 with these settings:

Warm Default Calibrated Change
R-Cut 80 88 8
G-Cut 80 80 0
B-Cut 80 7A -6

R-Drv ED EC -1
G-Drv FF FF 0
B-Drv 80 90 16

HDMI Content

Custom
Contrast 95
Brightness 50
Color 47
Tint 0
Sharpness 25
Color Temp Warm2

It looked vrey good and much brighter than Cimena mode.

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From memory .005.

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Cnet measured the blacks at .0032
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From my experience the 3d has been pretty nice. I don't get much crosstalk at all if any. I can adjust the 3d effect from 0 to -3 or +3 and make it fairly noticeable but it still isn't all that distracting.
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I'm now the proud owner of 50 inch UT50 and love it. I have a question. When playing games on my PS3, what are the advantages of using Game mode? I'm guessing it's a framerate issue.
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The point is that how can they state that the UT50's black levels don't go as deep as the ST50, yet their black level test results for the UT50 are so much lower than their own ST50 results? Something isn't equitable with their testing or their results.

The difference between .005 and .0037 is practically indiscernible. In addition, any light put off by the other 4-5 sets they were comparing with would have soaked in rather well into the UT50s mono filtered glass raising it's perceived black. Everyone forgets that half of the battle with the plasma black levels is won by the filters disguising the grey plasma glass. The louver filter works in this way just as the Kuro's glass worked before that. In a dark room my S30 looks as dark (if not darker) than the St30 or Gt30-- as soon as ANY light is introduced that story changes.

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I'm not the proud owner of 50 inch UT50 and love it. I have a question. When playing games on my PS3, what are the advantages of using Game mode? I'm guessing it's a framerate issue.

It's a latency issue.

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I just can not believe how amazingly deep and rich the black levels are on this TV. Loving it.
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It's a latency issue.

What does it correct exactly?
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What does it correct exactly?

It streamlines the data path by eliminating processes that could add latency to the image. All fixed pixel display have some built in latency-- latency is the time between when data is received by the display and when it is shown by the display. In some sets this latency (or lag) can be significant. In most games your timely reaction to events on screen determine your success. If too much lag is introduced your reactions will be detrimentally slow due to the fact that the events on screen have already happened and you're reacting to them after-the-fact. This is particularly crippling to fast action games such as first person shooters and especially damning to rhythm games like rock band.

Plasma, in general, has enjoyed recognition for having less latency than LCD (which typically introduces noticeable lag even when placed in it's comparable game setting). Still, game mode on your ut50 ensures you are getting the fastest reaction times available on your display. Be sure not to introduce any lag inducing image processes like frame interpolation (smoothing) or image resizing (under scan).

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It streamlines the data path by eliminating processes that could add latency to the image. All fixed pixel display have some built in latency-- latency is the time between when data is received by the display and when it is shown by the display. In some sets this latency (or lag) can be significant. In most games your timely reaction to events on screen determine your success. If too much lag is introduced your reactions will be detrimentally slow due to the fact that the events on screen have already happened and you're reacting to them after-the-fact. This is particularly crippling to fast action games such as first person shooters and especially damning to rhythm games like rock band.

Plasma, in general, has enjoyed recognition for having less latency than LCD (which typically introduces noticeable lag even when placed in it's comparable game setting). Still, game mode on your ut50 ensures you are getting the fastest reaction times available on your display. Be sure not to introduce any lag inducing image processes like frame interpolation (smoothing) or image resizing (under scan).

That was an excellent explanation! Thank you very much! I'm somewhat new to gaming having bought a PS3 a few months ago and never used the Game mode on my old Panny plasma, but I'm sure to use it on this model! CoD certainly looks nice!
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