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Anyone ? Please help, as this is beginning to worry me -

I don't know, but sounds like the flash that would store the values isn't doing it.

Call Viera Support, I think.

It seems like a really small glitch and nothing to really worry about.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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If you had a choice between the 55inch VT and the 60 inch GT at the same price approximately which would you choose. Thanks Don

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What are the basic settings for thx cinema 3d? Such as contrast, brightness, color, tint, sharpness? Just needed to confirm something. Thx.
Anyone able to check for these values real fast on their set up? Just trying to figure out the main differences between thx cinema 3d and the custom mode when they are both set to default.
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I wouldn't make IR on the VT50 a consideration, based on my experience.
I had left my VT50 showing my HTPC because I knew the screensaver would kick in after 3 minutes. The PC locked up hard and when I came back several hours later, the Windows desktop was being displayed with an explorer window in the center. After a hard reset, I logged in and could still see the explorer window displayed on the solid desktop background. Not just "sort of see it", but I could still read the file names. The set had less than 200 hours on it, and I was scared that I had ruined my almost new TV.
So, I fired up the break-in slides, and could see the desktop pretty well in most of them (but couldn't read everything like I could with the "matching" background), and a single pass (about 20 minutes) had the IR reduced a lot, so I ran the moving bar one cycle (15 minutes). After that, I fired up the slides again and couldn't see anything left over. I switched over to the HTPC desktop and still couldn't see anything, even though that was where it had showed the most.
When less than an hour of other content removed what looked like IR from the days of dedicated apps running on monochrome monitors where you could always read the main screen even when the power was off, I stopped being worried about IR on the VT50.

Thanks Nabsltd and Rogo. Frankly, I'm fine with the IR issue for the Panny's and the buzzing for the Samsung's. Those issues aren't going to sway me either way. What does worry me is what the picture is going to look like from Comcast. I have read that the Samsung handles crappy input better than the Panasonic. This worries me since the majority of my viewing would be cable. But I do have the Denon 4311CI which I have read has a great video processor. Would that help with the picture from my cable source? Thanks.

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What does worry me is what the picture is going to look like from Comcast.
Unless I get within a couple feet of the 55" VT50, the SD channels from DirecTV look fine. Yes, they are obviously SD, but I don't think the VT50 makes them worse than any other display...they just look SD.

Any display that processes a picture enough to make it hard to tell SD from HD (or low bitrate HD from Blu-Ray) is going to make high quality sources look worse, unless you tell your cable box to output the source resolution (which should allow at least some more intelligent processing decisions to be made).
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I would appreciate the forum's help on this..

I have a VT50 and Marantz SR7005 with Direct TV, with all HDMI connected through the Marantz. (Marantz HDMI output connected to HDMI2 on TV)

I am trying to get the HDMI video and sound to pass through, so I can watch TV with Directv without having the sound through the speakers connected to the Marantz. (TV speakers only)

I have tried various settings between the TV and Marantz without success. Any help would be extremely appreciated...

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Hey, everybody. It's time for me to make my decision and I've narrowed it down to the e8000 and the VT50. I know about the possible ir for the VT50 and the possible buzzing and the black levels for the Sammy. What concerns me about the VT 50 is how it handles cable signals. From what I've read, it seems that the Sammy handles poor quality signals better and I watch a lot of sports. But if I have a Denon 4311, would that matter? I'm a little lost when it comes to this so any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
VT50 is the better set for sure and about the same cost. All plasma's have IR to some degree. IR goes away so in the end who cares ? I am not so sure if the Samsung does a better job with poor feeds, put in poor quality and that is what you will get out too. Buy the VT50 wink.gif
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Thanks Nabsltd and Rogo. Frankly, I'm fine with the IR issue for the Panny's and the buzzing for the Samsung's. Those issues aren't going to sway me either way. What does worry me is what the picture is going to look like from Comcast. I have read that the Samsung handles crappy input better than the Panasonic. This worries me since the majority of my viewing would be cable. But I do have the Denon 4311CI which I have read has a great video processor. Would that help with the picture from my cable source? Thanks.

I have fios, which is supposed to have pretty good PQ, and a lot of it does not look very good. I'm particularly bothered by motion blur, but it seems like I'm alone. People here will tell you the Panny is very accurate, which is a nice way of saying it will show subpar content as is, warts and all.

I've only seen the samsung in store and it looks better side by side with the Panny (with cable channels)..

I don't want to discourage you by any means, because the Panny beats the Samsung easily with bluray. And your denon may eliminate the one weakness altogether.

My 2c: buy the Panny from a local store with good return policy and try it out. If Comcast looks acceptable, then you're all set.

Finally, realize Samsung price is fixed. The dealer cannot discount it. With Panny, you have room for price matching.
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Anyone ? Please help, as this is beginning to worry me -

I don't know, but sounds like the flash that would store the values isn't doing it.

Call Viera Support, I think.

It seems like a really small glitch and nothing to really worry about.

Thanks Rogo, guess thats what I'll have to do. After buying the TV, did you (or anyone reading this) ever connect it to the internet ? Then get offered the "Firmware Upgrade" ? Then do it ? Cause I did that, and it seems to be acting this way since I did that.

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If you had a choice between the 55inch VT and the 60 inch GT at the same price approximately which would you choose. Thanks Don
VT Series all the way. Not only PQ (which I admit is possibly splitting hairs), but for me, the ISFccc calibration ability is the main reason.
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What does worry me is what the picture is going to look like from Comcast.
To be honest, I don't think this is a Panasonic thing, but I have Comcast, and just upgraded my box and signal(s) to HD, made sure they gave me the HDMI box, etc.. and I am totally let down by "Cable HD". I think it is a pseudo version of HD IMO. But again, I think we have little control over that or making it any better. I notice some channels look better than others. Then it hit me, you can't make HD outta thin air from something that wasn't HD before. I think Comcast (and all cable companies) does this to have more "HD channels"... so unless the source was really shot in HD, and then is really being broadcasted from the CHANNEL (not Comcast/DirectTV, Dish, etc.., but channel) then it comes across as a pseudo HD to me. Some channels though really shine !
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But I do have the Denon 4311CI which I have read has a great video processor. Would that help with the picture from my cable source? Thanks.
No. Not IMO. Again, you can't make crap look like better crap. It can only look as good as it original was (at best). So this will depend on each and every channel's source material AND what level of "HD" they chose to broadcast at.
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Thanks Rogo, guess thats what I'll have to do. After buying the TV, did you (or anyone reading this) ever connect it to the internet ? Then get offered the "Firmware Upgrade" ?

Yes, I have upgraded the firmware since getting the TV. That said, I've never tried to name the inputs. I only really use HDMI 1 (occasionally HDMI 2) and the default names are fine for me.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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What does contour emphasis do?
that appears to be an edge enhancement, similar to sharpening.
i notice it adds artifacts to a resolution test pattern just like turning up the sharpness setting - so best to turn that off and use sharpness at zero for no such artifacts.
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Thanks for the input everybody, it's really helped.

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that appears to be an edge enhancement, similar to sharpening.
i notice it adds artifacts to a resolution test pattern just like turning up the sharpness setting - so best to turn that off and use sharpness at zero for no such artifacts.

On a multiburst pattern, it's surprising how colors shift when sharpness gets above 12.

I'd recommend not going over 12.

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Can anyone tell me how much line bleed is normal? Is there a test maybe to verify if it is too much? I can see it in quite some content. Becoming a bit ocd with the tv but I just want to make sure I got a good panel.
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Could one of you please direct me to the thread(s) discussing 3D glasses compatible with the VT50?

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Could one of you please direct me to the thread(s) discussing 3D glasses compatible with the VT50?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007EHI1DK/ref=wms_ohs_product

Should you buy some other brand, it may not be compatible with the 2012 VT50. Given the cost of the VT50, it seems to be penny-wise and pound foolish to buy some other brand. Read the comments.

However, if you insist:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090901&p_id=9461&seq=1&format=2

Returning something to Monoprice is a bit of a hassle because it will cost you postage and having to go down to the post office. There would seem to be no one pair of 3D glasses that will work across all Panasonic 3D TVs. The 2011 Panasonic active shutter glasses do not work with the 2012 3D Panasonic TVs.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007EHI1DK/ref=wms_ohs_product
Should you buy some other brand, it may not be compatible with the 2012 VT50. Given the cost of the VT50, it seems to be penny-wise and pound foolish to buy some other brand. Read the comments.
However, if you insist:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090901&p_id=9461&seq=1&format=2
Returning something to Monoprice is a bit of a hassle because it will cost you postage and having to go down to the post office. There would seem to be no one pair of 3D glasses that will work across all Panasonic 3D TVs. The 2011 Panasonic active shutter glasses do not work with the 2012 3D Panasonic TVs.

We have these along with the Panny glasses.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352485550&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+3d+glasses+2012

Much cheaper and work just as well.

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Well, amazing news guys. Remember that trail of pixels I was worried about on the scrolling bar as it moved ? Well its completely gone now !! Razor sharp line moving across the screen ! Wondering why or how that happened, but we're pretty happy about that. And either way, we didn't see it in normal content. Just reporting it.

So that is good news - Bad news coming below - (which is why I even ran the scroller in the first place to accidently find this good news out)
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I know about the possible ir for the VT50
I wouldn't make IR on the VT50 a consideration, based on my experience.

I had left my VT50 showing my HTPC because I knew the screensaver would kick in after 3 minutes. The PC locked up hard and when I came back several hours later, the Windows desktop was being displayed with an explorer window in the center. After a hard reset, I logged in and could still see the explorer window displayed on the solid desktop background. Not just "sort of see it", but I could still read the file names. The set had less than 200 hours on it, and I was scared that I had ruined my almost new TV.

So, I fired up the break-in slides, and could see the desktop pretty well in most of them (but couldn't read everything like I could with the "matching" background), and a single pass (about 20 minutes) had the IR reduced a lot, so I ran the moving bar one cycle (15 minutes). After that, I fired up the slides again and couldn't see anything left over. I switched over to the HTPC desktop and still couldn't see anything, even though that was where it had showed the most.

When less than an hour of other content removed what looked like IR from the days of dedicated apps running on monochrome monitors where you could always read the main screen even when the power was off, I stopped being worried about IR on the VT50.

So your saying running the slides will help IR ? Cause despite some peoples non-belief about IR or BI, I am appalled , and sad to report that after literally 1 hour (ONE HOUR) of watching The History Channel, we had the H and History IR'ed into the screen pretty bad. Could see it on other content, so this was my first experience with this like this so bad. I was amazed. We tried watching other content for a few hours (THREE HOURS), still could see it ! I ran the scroll bar (which is when I discover the good news about the pixel trails being gone) about 4 times in a row (ONE HOUR) - its still there. We eventually had to go to bed. Its still there today, and now I wish the scroller bar could be set to "infinity" cause I'd like something I could set it on and walk away for the day with it one constantly. Guess I gotta bring back over my pixel flipper. But this is also why I ask if you feel the slide will do it any good.

I just find it absolutely ridiculous that IN ONE HOUR, IR can set in that takes DAYS TO REPAIR. I also find it ridiculous that The History Channels logo, unlike every other channel's is so bright and full color. It absurd. I really wish we all could team up and write these channels and explain IR and BI to them, and say, a logo is cool, but grey it out a lot and make it about 50% translucent. A lot of channels do have it like that, and kudos to them. But the History channel and CNN need to understand.... OR be sued for people's new TV's !

We are writing out letter/email today - how about any of you ? Please. I figure a Plasma TV thread is the perfect place to start this campaign. So far I got The History Channel, and CNN as the most obtrusive IR/BI Logos. Remember, we are not asking them to totally remove these logo screen stamps (cause they never will do that), BUT all we are asking is they become grayed out (no color) and also be 50% translucent. Channels G4 and AMC are perfect examples of channels doing a correct IR/BI safe logo screen stamp.

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Thanks Rogo, guess thats what I'll have to do. After buying the TV, did you (or anyone reading this) ever connect it to the internet ? Then get offered the "Firmware Upgrade" ?

Yes, I have upgraded the firmware since getting the TV. That said, I've never tried to name the inputs. I only really use HDMI 1 (occasionally HDMI 2) and the default names are fine for me.
K, thanks for this confirmation. I still haven't called Panasonic. Gonna try that today. Just trippin on our IR (hopefully only IR) we got yesterday. Been trying to erase it ever since, no luck. All in 1 hour of a show ! (read above post if you care to).


Bad thing about this guys is, The History Channel is my moms favorite channel. She would like to watch it for hours everyday. Now, even if we do get rid of this IR, she obviously wont be able to. Lets think about this properly here, If 1 hour of viewing The History Channel IR'ed the tv so bad that it is taking days of constant medicine to repair it... Then how would she watch a couple hours one day, and then want to watch it AGAIN the next day BEFORE the time it took to completely rid the IR ? This would compound into BI for sure.

mad.gif She's already talking about trading it in and getting the TV I got. At this point, IDK what to say to her.
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I have read that others use the 3d adjustment and set it to +1 to get a little extra pop out. I don't mind the extra pop out that setting gives, but my question is how do you get the tv to keep that setting? Everytime I set it there, it goes back to the default settings once the tv gets turned off. Have others got the adjustment to stay or do you have to set it everytime?
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Well, amazing news guys. Remember that trail of pixels I was worried about on the scrolling bar as it moved ? Well its completely gone now !! Razor sharp line moving across the screen ! Wondering why or how that happened, but we're pretty happy about that. And either way, we didn't see it in normal content. Just reporting it.
So that is good news - Bad news coming below - (which is why I even ran the scroller in the first place to accidently find this good news out)
So your saying running the slides will help IR ? Cause despite some peoples non-belief about IR or BI, I am appalled , and sad to report that after literally 1 hour (ONE HOUR) of watching The History Channel, we had the H and History IR'ed into the screen pretty bad. Could see it on other content, so this was my first experience with this like this so bad. I was amazed. We tried watching other content for a few hours (THREE HOURS), still could see it ! I ran the scroll bar (which is when I discover the good news about the pixel trails being gone) about 4 times in a row (ONE HOUR) - its still there. We eventually had to go to bed. Its still there today, and now I wish the scroller bar could be set to "infinity" cause I'd like something I could set it on and walk away for the day with it one constantly. Guess I gotta bring back over my pixel flipper. But this is also why I ask if you feel the slide will do it any good.
I just find it absolutely ridiculous that IN ONE HOUR, IR can set in that takes DAYS TO REPAIR. I also find it ridiculous that The History Channels logo, unlike every other channel's is so bright and full color. It absurd. I really wish we all could team up and write these channels and explain IR and BI to them, and say, a logo is cool, but grey it out a lot and make it about 50% translucent. A lot of channels do have it like that, and kudos to them. But the History channel and CNN need to understand.... OR be sued for people's new TV's !
We are writing out letter/email today - how about any of you ? Please. I figure a Plasma TV thread is the perfect place to start this campaign. So far I got The History Channel, and CNN as the most obtrusive IR/BI Logos. Remember, we are not asking them to totally remove these logo screen stamps (cause they never will do that), BUT all we are asking is they become grayed out (no color) and also be 50% translucent. Channels G4 and AMC are perfect examples of channels doing a correct IR/BI safe logo screen stamp.
K, thanks for this confirmation. I still haven't called Panasonic. Gonna try that today. Just trippin on our IR (hopefully only IR) we got yesterday. Been trying to erase it ever since, no luck. All in 1 hour of a show ! (read above post if you care to).
Bad thing about this guys is, The History Channel is my moms favorite channel. She would like to watch it for hours everyday. Now, even if we do get rid of this IR, she obviously wont be able to. Lets think about this properly here, If 1 hour of viewing The History Channel IR'ed the tv so bad that it is taking days of constant medicine to repair it... Then how would she watch a couple hours one day, and then want to watch it AGAIN the next day BEFORE the time it took to completely rid the IR ? This would compound into BI for sure.
mad.gif She's already talking about trading it in and getting the TV I got. At this point, IDK what to say to her.

I use the zoom feature a lot and find that you can crop out logos on most channels by doing so. Of course, a lot of other stuff gets cropped out too but this is just broadcast TV we're talking about so it doesn't bother me.
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So your saying running the slides will help IR ?
With some types of IR, slides will help.

Like the moving bar, the slides will exercise every pixel evenly, and because the slides are varied in color, it will help get pixels back to their normal state. The moving bar has the advantage of quickly going from full on to full off, which should do the job more quickly, but slides have the advantage of being able to run forever. If you set the "display interval" to one of the faster settings, it should be more effective.
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Cause despite some peoples non-belief about IR or BI, I am appalled , and sad to report that after literally 1 hour (ONE HOUR) of watching The History Channel, we had the H and History IR'ed into the screen pretty bad.
What settings were you using? The most important are contrast and brightness, but panel brightness, CATS, contour emphasis, and sharpness can all have an effect. For example, in a bright room, CATS will up the overall brightness of the panel, and a logo can get more defined if sharpness or contour emphasis are high.

If you are using one of the posted calibrations (or have had your display calibrated), the settings shouldn't be the reason for the IR you are seeing. Otherwise, I'd suspect that settings led to the quick, persistent IR.
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I use the zoom feature a lot and find that you can crop out logos on most channels by doing so. Of course, a lot of other stuff gets cropped out too but this is just broadcast TV we're talking about so it doesn't bother me.

Hey, this is a great idea. I'll try it to see if it crops out the history channels one in particular. She watches a lot of channels with logos. No problems on any of them cause of there grayed out translucent'ness. But History Channels is full color, no transparency and bright as all hell.

Thanks for the advice, I'll try it.

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So your saying running the slides will help IR ?
With some types of IR, slides will help.

Like the moving bar, the slides will exercise every pixel evenly, and because the slides are varied in color, it will help get pixels back to their normal state. The moving bar has the advantage of quickly going from full on to full off, which should do the job more quickly, but slides have the advantage of being able to run forever. If you set the "display interval" to one of the faster settings, it should be more effective.
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What settings were you using? The most important are contrast and brightness, but panel brightness, CATS, contour emphasis, and sharpness can all have an effect. For example, in a bright room, CATS will up the overall brightness of the panel, and a logo can get more defined if sharpness or contour emphasis are high.

If you are using one of the posted calibrations (or have had your display calibrated), the settings shouldn't be the reason for the IR you are seeing. Otherwise, I'd suspect that settings led to the quick, persistent IR.

The settings we have finally got to use (currently) are Topper's Dark Room settings. For 200hrs we left it on the default darkest setting out the box (Standard ? Or Cinema ? I forget). So it got the first 200hrs solid of its life on a super dark setting. Plus during that time it was over 50% slide time. I'd say it was broken in text book style to a tee.

Once past the 200hrs, I moved it to its next less darkest default setting (forget which one exactly) and we watched it like that for about 50hrs like that. And very little slides at this point. Just a few days ago I finally changed the settings to Topper's Dark Room settings. I actually like them best. Even for a bright room. So we are leaving it there as we finally can appreciate the picture. And then this happened.. LOL.

Thanks for the answer on the slides. Gonna run them ALL the time while we are not watching TV to see if it rids it. Yea, the problem with the scrolling bar is no option to set it to stay on forever until you manually turn it off. This should be a feature update in the next firmware update.
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Just a few days ago I finally changed the settings to Topper's Dark Room settings. I actually like them best.
That's what I'm basically using, so I wouldn't think settings would be the cause.

The only real difference I had from you is that I ran the slides for 100 straight hours after I took the TV out of the box. I was able to do this because I couldn't put it in place until I got rid of the old TV, so I had no inputs connected. This shouldn't make any difference, since your phosphors should now have finished the initial "quick" aging because of the varied usage.

I don't watch much History channel, but I do watch ESPN and MLB network a lot, and they have a lot of fixed graphics that only go away during commercials. Other than my issue with leaving the Windows desktop for hours, I've never been able to see IR when viewing normal content...only slides show the IR. So, I don't think I have any other ideas about your situation.
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That's what I'm basically using, so I wouldn't think settings would be the cause.

The only real difference I had from you is that I ran the slides for 100 straight hours after I took the TV out of the box. I was able to do this because I couldn't put it in place until I got rid of the old TV, so I had no inputs connected. This shouldn't make any difference, since your phosphors should now have finished the initial "quick" aging because of the varied usage.

I don't watch much History channel, but I do watch ESPN and MLB network a lot, and they have a lot of fixed graphics that only go away during commercials. Other than my issue with leaving the Windows desktop for hours, I've never been able to see IR when viewing normal content...only slides show the IR. So, I don't think I have any other ideas about your situation.

Thanks nabsltd for the concern and help. It is appreciated.

Looks like now we got the IR completely unnoticeable during content :-) But can still see it if you look for it real hard during a white slide. This took a combination of running the slides and The Pixel Flipper. I actually think The Pixel Flipper fixes it faster. Gonna run it tonight all night while we sleep just to see if I can get it 100% gone even when looking hard for it during a all white screen.

I am telling you, The History Channels logo is just something "stronger/harder" than you think and "stronger/harder". than it needs to be. Believe me. What sucks, is, it looks like the truest and best HD quality out of all the stations IMO. This is part of why we like to watch it so much.

This is why I would like to start (with someone's help who knows how to do this) a petition to the channels that have too "hard" of logos, to "soften" their logos. At the reasoning request of possibly ruining very expensive video gear. In turn, possibly putting them responsible for the merchandise with a good enough lawyer. So avoid it all, and heed our petition.

Anyway, as I said here, the good news is it looks like it was just very stubborn IR luckily and it seems to be going away. Thanks again !
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So is it just me or what, but I hate my P65VT50!!!!

I just received it this past week from Value Electronics. It was burned in and professionally calibrated. I find all modes to be extremely dark, even the day/bright modes. I don't know how it would be possible for anyone to watch this TV in standard mode. I tried using toppers custom settings and it is way better, but the picture just does not seem to "pop" to me. The picture is just overall very dull. The ISF modes look horrible to me too. I've heard some many great things and have read so many great reviews that i feel something is either wrong with me! I have a Sony NX810 also that I just absolutely love!

I'm debating trading it in for the Sony 65" XBR but I really don't want to go through the hassle and expense.

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So today I got some image retention. Very disappointed. I had the Xbox Live homescreen up and went to make some eggs. Probably took about 15 -20 minutes. Played Halo 4 for about an hour and then turned on Netflix. When the screen is white or a light color I can see my gamer tag on the bottom left corner. I ran color slides for the first 100 hours and made sure to watch varied content after that. Hopefully it goes away.
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For what it is worth, I had some of the same from playing PS3 during the first few weeks. I ran the solid color slides and it disappeared rather quickly. I ran them overnight so not sure how long it actually took. I had left the tv on playing BF3 and it stayed on that way for a few hours on a static screen. Since the tv has aged (Probably over 300 hours now or more), I don't notice any IR, though I am more responsible about leaving it on a static screen now. Might be worth downloading and running them.
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Is it normal for a 65VT50 that is mounted on the stand it came with to have a slight wobble to it? Wasn't sure if the installers did not tighten everything completely or it's normal due to it's size and the relative cheapness of the factory stand. I did check the screws on the stand connecting the TV to the stand, but did not remove the TV from the stand to check the screws under the rear coverplate. Anyttime I walk near the set or behind it I noticed that it wobbles back and forth ever so slightly from front to back. Any insight would be appreciated.
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