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Lol. My wife and I do about 2500 hours a year, or at least that's been the trend.

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Does anyone use "Source Direct" mode on their blu-ray for HDMI out directly to VT50 input? Wondering if it's desirable to bypass the video processor of a blu-ray player to send the video directly to the VT50.

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I have a Chad B calibrated 65vt50. Has anyone had a improvement at 1700 hours? I am wondering if there was a automatic voltage change internally. My whites on ISF night are like WHITE colors have more pop and detail improved a lot. I have not changed anything all I know is that it was a good change. I am going to the Charter cable company to see if they did anything. Is it possible that my signal was bad and now they fixed a problem? I don't understand why it looks brighter and clearer. Any input?

We must have 1500+ hours by now.

yes, I actually noticed this as well. While the TV still does make things looks soft at times (processing hasn't improved). It appears the drive did change a bit (voltage/phosphors aging?). And things look less dull in terms of contrast. While not a huge change, it's noticeable. It's an improvement to my eyes.

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Does anyone use "Source Direct" mode on their blu-ray for HDMI out directly to VT50 input? Wondering if it's desirable to bypass the video processor of a blu-ray player to send the video directly to the VT50.

Appreciated!

I did a lot of testing with spears and Munsil and my OPPO, I ended up setting the oppo to output 1080p/60 ycbcr 444 and set Pure Direct to On. Problem with source direct is it sends 24p to the vt50, and in my testing I felt both the 60hz and 96hz settings were not as good as the OPPO handling the 24hz conversion.

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I did a lot of testing with spears and Munsil and my OPPO, I ended up setting the oppo to output 1080p/60 ycbcr 444 and set Pure Direct to On. Problem with source direct is it sends 24p to the vt50, and in my testing I felt both the 60hz and 96hz settings were not as good as the OPPO handling the 24hz conversion.

Ok, so you are using the Oppo to handle the 24Hz conversion. What is ycbcr 444 and what does Pure Direct do?

Appreciated!

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I did a lot of testing with spears and Munsil and my OPPO, I ended up setting the oppo to output 1080p/60 ycbcr 444 and set Pure Direct to On. Problem with source direct is it sends 24p to the vt50, and in my testing I felt both the 60hz and 96hz settings were not as good as the OPPO handling the 24hz conversion.

Just to be clear, to set this up on my Oppo am I correct in making the following changes in the Video Setup Menu (Oppo 93)?

Output Resolution: 1080p
1080p24 Output: Off
HDMI Options Color Space: YCbCr 4:4:4

Did I get that right? I have the VT50 set to Pure Direct On.

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^^ yes that's right.

I've been running it that way for a few weeks now and happy with it also.
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We must have 1500+ hours by now.

yes, I actually noticed this as well. While the TV still does make things looks soft at times (processing hasn't improved). It appears the drive did change a bit (voltage/phosphors aging?). And things look less dull in terms of contrast. While not a huge change, it's noticeable. It's an improvement to my eyes.

Interesting - I noticed this as well. Thought it was just me.

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Ok, so you are using the Oppo to handle the 24Hz conversion. What is ycbcr 444 and what does Pure Direct do?

Appreciated!

I'm considering the 103 or the 105. I'm not sure about the benefits of the 105 over the 103 for home theater aside from a potential overall impact of the better power supply.

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Just to be clear, to set this up on my Oppo am I correct in making the following changes in the Video Setup Menu (Oppo 93)?

Output Resolution: 1080p
1080p24 Output: Off
HDMI Options Color Space: YCbCr 4:4:4

Did I get that right? I have the VT50 set to Pure Direct On.

Thanks!

Yepp, those are my exact settings. Once I finished up picking the color space and 24p settings, I checked a few patterns with Pure Direct on/off, and felt on had better result.


jh, ycbcr is just a color space setting, RGB is the other. 444 is the chroma upsampling. Blurays are encoded at 420, so you have to pick 422 or 444. I find I see less banding with 444. Pure direct is a mode the vt50 has for a 1080p 444 signal, where it process that without any conversion.

Its crazy what displays do, some convert a 444 input to 422 before processing, then they convert ycbcr into RGB, all a mess. Pure direct is supposed to ensure as little conversions as possible if you feed the display 444.

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^^ yes that's right.

I've been running it that way for a few weeks now and happy with it also.

Thanks! Chad B will be here for my second calibration. I'm sure we'll re-validate all this when he's here, but I'm going to watch like this until he arrives (on the 22nd).

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Thanks! Chad B will be here for my second calibration. I'm sure we'll re-validate all this when he's here, but I'm going to watch like this until he arrives (on the 22nd).

I'd suggest anyone grab the spears and Munsil disc. These aren't always cookie cutter because if you run thru an avr, there could be other factors. Their second gen disc will be out in a couple of weeks.

The big thing I was curious about was the handling of 24p. There is a good "wedge" test that helps with that evil. Good charts to ensure you have over scan, proper color space settings and charts that you can use to see if you are losing fine detail.

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Oh, and as far as OPPO 103 vs 105, the only thing the 105 gives you benefit for is if you use analog audio and want the best AQ you can get. I owned a 93 and now the 103, they are pricey but at least you know it does things right. Granted Bluray pq won't really differ from a $150 Panasonic smile.gif

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Much appreciated. I've been watching for the new Spears/Munsil. I was thinking that, if I get an Oppo or other blu ray player with two HDMI outputs that I'd run one directly to the VT50.

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I'd suggest anyone grab the spears and Munsil disc. These aren't always cookie cutter because if you run thru an avr, there could be other factors. Their second gen disc will be out in a couple of weeks.

The big thing I was curious about was the handling of 24p. There is a good "wedge" test that helps with that evil. Good charts to ensure you have over scan, proper color space settings and charts that you can use to see if you are losing fine detail.

I run direct from HDMI 1 out to the VT50 for video; HDMI 2 supplies audio feed to the Anthem MRX-500. I've been using the Disney WOW disc for my consumer settings, and my full calibration was done by Jeff Meier back in February. Very pleased with the results.

Chad is coming out in a little over a week so that I can compare the two "masters'" work. I just can't seem to leave well enough alone and I'm looking forward to round two.

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I run direct from HDMI 1 out to the VT50 for video; HDMI 2 supplies audio feed to the Anthem MRX-500. I've been using the Disney WOW disc for my consumer settings, and my full calibration was done by Jeff Meier back in February. Very pleased with the results.

Chad is coming out in a little over a week so that I can compare the two "masters'" work. I just can't seem to leave well enough alone and I'm looking forward to round two.

Using both HDMI outs is also a safe move. I was until I tested and found the 3313 was passing thru fine. WOW is a good one as well as DVE, I triple check with all 3. You might also consider calman and a i1 pro 2, the fun really begins when you start doing it yourself.

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For the HDMI 2 (audio) is the Oppo sending bitstream or do you prefer the Oppo to process (MPCM)?

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I've always just bitstreamed to the avr. For digital audio if you have a good player and good avr, should sound the same.

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Does anyone use "Source Direct" mode on their blu-ray for HDMI out directly to VT50 input? Wondering if it's desirable to bypass the video processor of a blu-ray player to send the video directly to the VT50.

Appreciated!

If you have an Oppo, I would only use source direct if you have a video processor between your player and the VT. Otherwise, let the player do the video processing.
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Which Have people here found to be more effective

1) Scrolling bar
2) Disney wow pixel flipper

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I did a lot of testing with spears and Munsil and my OPPO, I ended up setting the oppo to output 1080p/60 ycbcr 444 and set Pure Direct to On. Problem with source direct is it sends 24p to the vt50, and in my testing I felt both the 60hz and 96hz settings were not as good as the OPPO handling the 24hz conversion.

I had not paid attention to this setting until your post. I looked in the manual, and it would appear that Pure Direct is only allowed to be turned on when you send it 1080p/60 YCbCr 4:4:4. Do I have that right?

I am using a Lumagen Radiance XS3D to upscale most sources (CATV, Media Player) to 1080p/60 YCbCr 4:2:2, but I could set it to output 4:4:4. This TV is in my family room, and is not really used for critical viewing, so I am not sure it would make a difference.

Thoughts?

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I did a lot of testing with spears and Munsil and my OPPO, I ended up setting the oppo to output 1080p/60 ycbcr 444 and set Pure Direct to On. Problem with source direct is it sends 24p to the vt50, and in my testing I felt both the 60hz and 96hz settings were not as good as the OPPO handling the 24hz conversion.

I had not paid attention to this setting until your post. I looked in the manual, and it would appear that Pure Direct is only allowed to be turned on when you send it 1080p/60 YCbCr 4:4:4. Do I have that right?

I am using a Lumagen Radiance XS3D to upscale most sources (CATV, Media Player) to 1080p/60 YCbCr 4:2:2, but I could set it to output 4:4:4. This TV is in my family room, and is not really used for critical viewing, so I am not sure it would make a difference.

Thoughts?

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I don't have an Oppo, only a Lumagen Radiance.
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Gadgtfreek was referring to OPPO settings including "Pure Direct" and I assumed too much. If you have a player that will output pure direct, wouldn't you do everything in the Lumagen Radiance? Again I'm assuming that "Pure Direct" is an input device setting.
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I think you def want the lumagen doing as much as possible. You could put the OPPO on source direct and then set the lumagen to 1080p/60. I'd also try the lumagen outputting 422 vs 444 with pure direct on using spears and Munsil to test. I will say this, my vt50 had problems on fine color resolution with 422 from the OPPO, but passed with 444 and then again with 444 and pure direct on. Every penny I've owned seemed to do better with 444. These are all small things though, we trend to nitpick smile.gif

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I think you def want the lumagen doing as much as possible. You could put the OPPO on source direct and then set the lumagen to 1080p/60. I'd also try the lumagen outputting 422 vs 444 with pure direct on using spears and Munsil to test. I will say this, my vt50 had problems on fine color resolution with 422 from the OPPO, but passed with 444 and then again with 444 and pure direct on. Every penny I've owned seemed to do better with 444. These are all small things though, we trend to nitpick smile.gif

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Hi all -- I have had my 65vt50 for about a month and am loving it overall, except for one issue that has cropped up. I've recently noticed a problem accessing the Internet apps -- when I press the internet button on the remote, up comes "Connection Test" rather than the apps (suggesting that the TV is not connected over wifi). .

I have this same problem. Network Status shows connected, with four-five bars strength. My router is an Airport Extreme base station, connected with 11n at 2.4GHz. I have DSL with a pretty consistent 5Mbps download speed. But I always have to cycle through the connection test when I turn the TV on. Sometimes multiple cycles through the test before it connects.

Tonight, however, was the killer. I just discovered Amazon Instant video (I was living with old tech before). I watched Rango on it the other night without any issues. But tonight, watching The Perfect Game with the kids, I got disconnected at least five times before I gave up. It would go to a grey blank screen. If I pressed Internet on the remote, I could get back to the Internet screen, but I'd have to navigate to Amazon, search for the the title again and reload the movie, although it would resume in the same place I left off.

Is there any way to improve the wireless connection?
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Is there any way to improve the wireless connection?

Without meaning to sound snarky, the only way to improve it is to use a wired connection.

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Are you asking about removing image retention? If so, here is what I think about mixing the source material that you watch.

That wasn't one of the options I provided, I know all about mixing source material

Which one of my 2 presented options works better just as an additional preventative measure.......

Any thoughts about those 2 options are greatly appreciated....
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Scrolling bars wipes fairly well, I have used it once or twice.

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