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think guys like sillysally with those 3d lut boxes would be able to exploit the extra red color more effectively then since they have more freedom to correct the colors?

Maybe so. Im not sure its worth money to the average user. The VT50 is quite good if calibrated properly.

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Two questions:

1) Do you know what size windows he used? Im still toying with mine.

2) Did he start with color temp Normal?

1) You'll have to forgive me because I'm not 100% about what "windows" are; but if you're talking about the rectangles of color on screen, they were approximately the size of notebook paper.

2) pretty sure it was color temp normal since that is where she stands now.
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welcome here, I think i share the same feelings wink.gif

Thanks. It was 'shame on me' if I went Samsung or LED edge-lit again. Just had to grow a pair and go Plasma. Why not make it the best of 2012?

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Awesome, thanks. Tells me a lot.

Yes, the "windows" where the grayscale and color rectangles on screen the meter measured.

There is something to Normal, or Im going nuts. Ive calibrated in Custom and Normal, and ISF Night and Warm 2, and Custom looks better. Both were done with same generator, same meter, same software, but the Warm 2 calibration leaves people looking a little sunburnt at times. Very odd...

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I need a new TV and the 65" VT50 is still available, though in small numbers. For those owning the TC-P65VT50, would you buy one again or should I spend 25% more than its current price and get the VT60?
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That will depend on many factors. The performance of the VT50 is already so close to reference in so many areas that any improvement would be incremental. For that 25% difference, you could get a really good ISF calibrator to tune the VT50. And in my estimation, a tuned VT50 will likely outperform a stock VT60. Hard to tell since there isn't a comprehensive review for the 65VT60 anywhere yet.


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Can someone provide me with the marketing features/spec sheet .pdf for the TC-P65VT50? It's no longer avaiable on the Panny site.
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Here's the One Sheet Brochure. You can also download the manual and dimensions one sheet from the Panasonic shopping site.
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There is something to Normal, or Im going nuts. Ive calibrated in Custom and Normal, and ISF Night and Warm 2, and Custom looks better. Both were done with same generator, same meter, same software, but the Warm 2 calibration leaves people looking a little sunburnt at times. Very odd...

Could be both--there might be something to Normal AND you're also going nuts. biggrin.giftongue.gif
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Hehe.

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I need a new TV and the 65" VT50 is still available, though in small numbers. For those owning the TC-P65VT50, would you buy one again or should I spend 25% more than its current price and get the VT60?
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Hey Sgooter, where were you able to find a 65" VT50 for a reasonable price? $3000 seems to be the lowest price I can find a NIB 65" VT50....

The 65" VT60 will be sale priced at $3000 or less (when they are finally in stock). I've already been quoted $3000 by my local Video Only store (which is $600 lower than msrp).
If you do get a good deal on a VT50, I say go for it... but it would have to be a really good deal to justify buying that over the 65" VT60. If you are talking about 25% off $3000, that would be $2250, and I would buy it at that price..... If you are talking 25% off the VT60s MSRP though, you are at $2700.... at that point I'd spend the extra $300 and get the VT60.
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There is something to Normal, or Im going nuts. Ive calibrated in Custom and Normal, and ISF Night and Warm 2, and Custom looks better. Both were done with same generator, same meter, same software, but the Warm 2 calibration leaves people looking a little sunburnt at times. Very odd...

Oh great... another variable I need to look at. I'm getting ready to do my own calibration with an i1 Pro and Chromapure. This is my first TV with a full CMS and, I have to say, it is a bit intimidating. I did take a quick look at color and grayscale this weekend and my TV was definitely pushing too much red in Warm2 at all stimulus levels... anywhere from 2% to 20% too much red. I was surprised to see that since all the reviews I have seen recommend Warm2 in Custom mode.

Do you have any tips you can pass on based on your own experience ? For instance, I am not sure if I should start with grayscale or work on color and tint first. And what gamma did you start and end with ?

Also, did the primary and secondary "luminance" controls work for you ? I just discovered that these controls were not functional at one time but was hoping that this has been corrected by a firmware update. I've only had my VT50 for a couple months and no firmware updates to this point. I did come across some information that suggested using a lower Color setting (45 or 46) to get some minimal functionality from the luminance controls.

Heck, if you have the time and wouldn't mind posting, I would love to see all your settings for the Custom picture mode. I'm curious too as to what meter and software you used.

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Thanks much to all who have posted replies to my interest in the 65" VT50...very helpful comments and suggestions.
Special thanks to Rice Rocket for the marketing brochure.
If a VT60 can be had for $3K, then it's a no-brainer 'cause the best I've seen for a VT50 now is $2800+ delivered.
So, I'll sharpen my focus for a few more weeks (= Memorial Day weekend), and see what sales prices are offered then.
I first saw a 65" VT50 over a year ago in a local Magnolia store, and for me it was and still is the only TV that has ever earned an "OMG!"
Thanks again friends.
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Just wanted to take a moment to review the calibration I got from D-Nice on my 55" VT50.
Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

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Stash,

I have both chromapure with d3 pro and calman with i1 pro 2.

Not sure what you are planning for a signal generator, but I use a couple of free discs in the calibration forum. One from masciola has 6.5% sized windows and I have been happy with those for color and gray scale.

Use dnice custome settings to give you a baseline. Color temp normal, gamma 2.4 for 65" and 2.6 for 55 iirc. Turn all then other BS off like NR, CATS and AGC.

I then use a 100% stimulus window to measure Y and set the contrast for my preferred footlambert result. 36-40 is fine with me. The using a test disc, in a darker room, set you brightness to the proper level.

Next is two point gray scale. I make high adjustments at 80 and low at 30. Once you get those close then you can get into 10pt gray scale and tweak them to get 20-100 flat. Avoid using green if you can, as you move red or blue up or down it will affect the other two.

Once I'm happy with that I move to 10pt gamma. With the 2.4 gamma setting it isnt hard to get a flat 2.2 or 2.25 gamma.

Color is not bad, just leave it at 50 and tint at 0 and make your adjustments in the pro menu. Chromapurenhas good instructions on how to use the color adjument module. I used the 100% saturation , 75 amplitude windows but have been told to use 75/75 so I am gonna try that innabfew days.

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Thanks much to all who have posted replies to my interest in the 65" VT50...very helpful comments and suggestions.
Special thanks to Rice Rocket for the marketing brochure.
If a VT60 can be had for $3K, then it's a no-brainer 'cause the best I've seen for a VT50 now is $2800+ delivered.
So, I'll sharpen my focus for a few more weeks (= Memorial Day weekend), and see what sales prices are offered then.
I first saw a 65" VT50 over a year ago in a local Magnolia store, and for me it was and still is the only TV that has ever earned an "OMG!"
Thanks again friends.
Sgooter

buy at Best Buy and let them price match the lowest internet offer... not all stores do it, but some will...

they will deliver, and you can check out the TV and refuse and have them re-deliver... and then there's 30-90 day return option, no questions asked... all a huge advantage over buying from internet... there's a thread on AVS where members update with lowest prices on VT50... check that one out for specific info for BB in ur area...

u will get way below 3K WITH tax...

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Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Good deal...thanks. That's a thread I wish I'd noticed before. Luckily I made the right decision on my own.

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... and then there's 30-90 day return option, no questions asked...

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FYI - Bet Buy return policy is now 15 days unless you're Premier Silver (60 days). Even that (60 days) will be no more by June. Just my recent experience.

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Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Good deal...thanks. That's a thread I wish I'd noticed before. Luckily I made the right decision on my own.
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With the effort I've put into getting this TV, that statement. is somewhat blasphemous...I agree. It is basically the holy grail of calibration info. Nicely done.

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I just got a P65VT50 a month ago. Got a question related to RGB 4:4:4 0-255 (full). I only use computer as my source. ATI 7550 using hdmi to my tv. I have the driver set to RGB full (4:4:4 0-255). The TV can handle this right? I don't have to use limited 16-235 I hope... I can't find a tv setting related to hdmi full or limited. My old samsung plasma had this setting...

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In the HDMI menu it can be auto, standard and something like not standard. Can't remember even though I just looked yesterday. I know auto which is the default setting works fine for detecting 16-235, but you could always go in and force it to 0-255 to be safe. Basically the HDMI selection for each input goes auto/16-235/0-255

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The VT50 was the flagship model
Why do people want to compare the VT60 to it when the VT60 won't be the flagship?
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That has nothing to do with it. Both vts and sts are similar. It was just a minor refresh year for them. Zt is where most changes are, good or bad.

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When I bought my VT 50, I wanted the top of the line model, I'm sure people with the same mentality will be looking at the ZT60
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There is also a price difference between vt and zt. This years vt and last years are easy and fair comparisons. A whole new tier is where the zt is, vt50 compared to zt doesn't make much sense to me.

As far as vt50 vs vt60, I still say save your money. At the end of the day none if this has anything to do with the vt50 owners thread.

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so didn't the vt50 compare to this years S60? If so that's amazing because a 65 inch S60 is somewhere around 1500$. A steal for top of the line pq at 65 inches.
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Most of them share a panel, you just pay more for filters and other niceties. The only real things I noticeon my vt50 vs gt30 is tthe better filter and I can tell the blacks are a hair better in the letterbox bars. My only concern would be the filter in lower models, for some people the better filter is worth its weight in gold.

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Most of them share a panel, you just pay more for filters and other niceties. The only real things I noticeon my vt50 vs gt30 is tthe better filter and I can tell the blacks are a hair better in the letterbox bars. My only concern would be the filter in lower models, for some people the better filter is worth its weight in gold.

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I really can't see anyone upgrading from the VT to the Z. While the Z may be a superior panel, is there really a justifiable difference for the spend? Now, if one is just now getting into the top of the line Panasonics it certainly makes sense. I'm a VT50 owner and invested in this panel until affordable OLED is a reality. Could be a while, right?

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I really can't see anyone upgrading from the VT to the Z. While the Z may be a superior panel, is there really a justifiable difference for the spend? Now, if one is just now getting into the top of the line Panasonics it certainly makes sense. I'm a VT50 owner and invested in this panel until affordable OLED is a reality. Could be a while, right?

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I have been a user of LEDs TVs for a number of years now. I have stayed away from Plasma technology mainly because issues like excessive heat, buzzing and IR. However, with all the accolades going for the VT50 I am considering to become a plasma user as soon as the new TC-P65ZT60 is available. I would appreciate any comments you may provide especially concerning the HEAT issue. The TV is going to be placed in our family room for now but at some point I may want to place it in my bedroom (aprox. 325 ft2) and I am afraid this TV might make the room too hot.
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I really can't see anyone upgrading from the VT to the Z. While the Z may be a superior panel, is there really a justifiable difference for the spend? Now, if one is just now getting into the top of the line Panasonics it certainly makes sense. I'm a VT50 owner and invested in this panel until affordable OLED is a reality. Could be a while, right?

A calibrated VT50 is a nice enough TV to sit on and wait for oled. That was kinda my plan.

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