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post #12691 of 13753 Old 07-08-2013, 03:37 PM
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I have now upgraded to a new PC with Windows 8, 64 bit.
It's clear what your problem is. In my long years using Microsoft operating systems, I've never gone to a version that has as many problems as Win 8 appears to have. Win 8.1 is probably not going to be much better. If you haven't tried the OPPO owners thread or the Home Theater Computers forum, you might want to try there.

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I am not trying to push calibration on anyone it is a personal choice. I am just passing along my experience with calibration. In the end it is your money, your set and your expectations on how your set should behave out of the box. In a perfect world yes sets would perform reference out of the box but we know that is a pipe dream that will probably never come to fruition. I bought my plasma fully aware that it would require a professional calibration to get the most out of it, I personally feel it is a worthwhile investment you feel otherwise. Enjoy your set as it is smile.gif

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I know nothing about studio monitors. "Astounded?" I wonder how much of that is the "placebo effect?"

Zero. They are professionals in this area, something that you will never be.
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Studio monitors, well they are expensive ones, used in of course the "studio", but that's just a term normally we might think of as the final finishing room or suite that the "colorist" is in. If you are not familiar with who the colorist is in the movie product chain, it's worth looking into. Now regarded as a highly important and well paid position, and in more and more cases has more to do with the final "look" of the film itself, as well as DVD and Blue Ray's that we as consumers buy or rent. In the not too distant past, most big time Directors Of Photography, would have it in their contract, to "grade" the film, now we can say film/digital, along side the colorist, a collaborative effort to finalize what the finished visual product will end up looking like. Like many industries, cost cutting has meant that many colorists no longer have more then DP notes to go by, and DP's have a tough time getting it in their contracts that they are involved after principle photography ends, at all. Remember the weeks involved with final color correction, these DP's were being paid. That includes top DP's, like Roger Deakins (last Bond movie shot on Digital) (this is contract to contract, movie budget etc). Therefore, a great deal of final responsibility is now on the colorist himself, hence their emergence as a major contributor to the final look of the movie.

I'm only offering this as an explanation of the importance of the "monitors" these colorist are using to grade the movie files. That being their main visual tool to do their job. At a certain point, you can't just be looking at "scopes" and other devices, you have to use your EYES, and the top colorists, are in high demand and make a very good living. That of course means the monitors they use have to be finely calibrated to exacting standards, and while I don't know the exact costs of those current monitors, I do know that the ones used in the DIT tent on location and in the shooting stages cost approx. 10,000 to 20,000, and are no where as large as our home HDTV's, often referred to as "critical monitors". These on set monitors are just as important in terms of being calibrated to the same standards the colorist is going to see a few months down the road in the editing/finishing suites, otherwise there would be no baseline or quality control at all, you have to have "standards" to begin with and end with. There is no way our $2,000 - $5,000 home HDTV's will compare in overall quality, but as most of you know, they are still awesome in the amount of fine grain controls included in the current Plasma products, including the VT series. The major electronic companies pack a lot of adjustability and overall quality into a very affordable product, with slim profit margins. So indeed, if your own goal is to get as close to the "look" of the colorist's eyes, when he was grading the film/digital images on the expensive suite monitors, then a home calibration by a quality calibrator with the right tools and experience is the best way to achieve that, you will then be about as close as you are ever going to get to that goal at home.

You can debate if that is truly a worthwhile goal or not, forever, and if it's not, then don't fret it. Your eyes, like the colorists, will be the final judge, who's to say he was right in his/her choices? Now that's a subject for a really fun debate. As well as you might have noticed I left the movies "director" out of the whole conversation. In my experience, most of them are color blind! smile.gif
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Just thought I would post a picture of my VT50 that is now stand mounted, not just sitting atop my entertainment center. I modified a Sanus FMS01 cabinet TV mount to work with and attach to my Salamander Synergy cabinet. The main reason for doing so was to clear a space on the cabinet for a soundbar... because I was so disappointed with the sound from the TV and did not want to run my home theater for basic TV viewing. Very happy with the results. It is a much cleaner look and now I enjoy both the video and audio when watching anything from Big Bang Theory to 60 Minutes.


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Zero. They are professionals in this area, something that you will never be.
Easy Francis, you're taking this a little personal.

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Stash64, is it just the photo or does the cloud behind the WB look like the color of cotton candy??
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It's clear what your problem is. In my long years using Microsoft operating systems, I've never gone to a version that has as many problems as Win 8 appears to have. Win 8.1 is probably not going to be much better. If you haven't tried the OPPO owners thread or the Home Theater Computers forum, you might want to try there.

Thanks for the reply, maybe I'm not as dumb as I thought.
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Stash64, is it just the photo or does the cloud behind the WB look like the color of cotton candy??

It does. Probably due to the camera, though it was an OTA feed of CW and I think their color is always a little off.

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Okay here's an interesting one. I lost power today and when the power turned on the TV kicked on automatically!!!! how could this possibly be????? some sort of HDMI control issue?

I have the television plugged into a Panamax unfortunately it doesn't have a switch control into my receiver because my receiver no longer has a switched outlet on it
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Okay here's an interesting one. I lost power today and when the power turned on the TV kicked on automatically!!!! how could this possibly be????? some sort of HDMI control issue?

I have the television plugged into a Panamax unfortunately it doesn't have a switch control into my receiver because my receiver no longer has a switched outlet on it

LOL, that happened to me too after a very brief power outage of a few seconds. It's because the TV is still powering down I think. When you turn it off, you have to wait a few seconds before you hear that "click" sound. If the power comes back on before that click happens, the power is still their and the TV will kick back on. I know someone else will be able to explain it more technically than I did.

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Actually the power outage happened while I was at work obviously I had the television turned off while I'm at work
So the TV is off all day I know there's a power outage and when I come back in and the powers turned back on the TV is on!!!
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Actually the power outage happened while I was at work obviously I had the television turned off while I'm at work
So the TV is off all day I know there's a power outage and when I come back in and the powers turned back on the TV is on!!!
Was anything else in your system on? BDP, cable box, AVR, etc.
Are you using ARC or CEC?

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Do you have ARC setup in your receiver to power on/off the display?

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I have it set up for the TV to power on my receiver, But not power off it.
Turning on and off the receiver will not do anything to the display power wise.
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So 24 days...that's how long it took before I finally got a call from a place here in the Bay Area that I guess has been contracted to "pick up and service" my TV. They want to pick it up and take it to a shop that's a bit over an hour drive away, this after Panasonic told me they would have a tech come to my house. Now they want to take the set away for who knows how long, seeing as how long it took them just to get to this stage. Not to mention the problem with the actual issue itself, which doesn't just show up when you turn on the set. It has to be triggered by whatever circumstances trigger it. So now I'm afraid that besides messing the TV up potentially, they may very well turn it on, see nothing, and declare there's no problem. This is why I really needed a tech to come to my home and have me show him. I know I can bring it up by moving back and forth between some various shaded red slides.

Now suddenly I'm asking myself...is it really this bad of an issue that I want to mess with this potential for more frustration? I can see why someone would (and did) just pay to get it fixed themselves at this point.

Anyways, I'll let you know how the saga finally ends.

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I would never let them take it personally. Do you have another warranty that can cover in house. For instance my squaretrede one guarantees in home repair or replacement?
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Nope. All I have is the manufacturer warranty. I loath to buy those Best Buy expensive super warranties, but if I had ponied up the extra 200 or so I think they'd have had me repaired or a new VT60 by now judging from how well they've treated some other folks.

Aside from seeing if it can be fixed, the questions I really wanted answered by a tech in my home were if it is going to get worse or if it will cut short the life of the set. If no to both, then it's actually pretty small of an issue that I would rather deal with it than risk letting them haul it away and possible replace it with some other refurbished POS with god knows what problems of it's own ya know?

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I've never seen anyone get a refurb TV as a replacement. My 2008 had to go to the shop for an a board repair for a week. Wasn't bad.

On another note Chad B will be in my home on Aug 5th.

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The one time I ever let them take my tv to the shop was in 2001. My Samsung sat in that shop for 6 weeks and then afterwards they returned saying they had replaced the problem parts, but after powering on the issue was still there. So I'm a bit jaded.
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Yeah, its best to make sure the part is in the shop before they run away, granted most repairs ive seen lately on the forums were all in home.

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Anyone watch the homerun derby last night ? The picture was fantastic, great pop and depth. I have Time Warner.

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Anyone watch the homerun derby last night ? The picture was fantastic, great pop and depth. I have Time Warner.

Looked pretty mediocre on my end. Of course, I was watching it in a sports bar in Cozumel. That might have something to do with the PQ smile.gif

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Il gladly trade you !

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lol, nice scirica. Hope you have a great vacation!

Although I do love getting away for a week here and there, I especially love that moment after I get home that I get to pour a nice drink and sit and enjoy a film on a good looking/sounding system.

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Listening to Chris Berman requires hard liquor lol

How about being with him? lolololol

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