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post #13651 of 13680 Old 07-18-2014, 11:58 AM
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His limit is $5k, and he needs two tv's at the end of it. $5k for a ZT is pretty stupid too...

He was thinking two sharps, one for man cave and one for living room, but since he games he wants my VT50 for man cave. Then he just spends another $2500 on another 70".

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His limit is $5k, and he needs two tv's at the end of it. $5k for a ZT is pretty stupid too...

He was thinking two sharps, one for man cave and one for living room, but since he games he wants my VT50 for man cave. Then he just spends another $2500 on another 70".
You can get a used VT50 calibrated already for <2500. If he ponies up to around 3K he can get the Vt60 used and possibly calibrated.

I don't agree that spending 5k on a tv you will use for a long time in your man cave is stupid when there aren't any alternatives in a 65inch size for 5k that can best it at the moment. Stupid is buying anything you can't afford.
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He knows all of that. Finding a plasma is not as easy as just going out and getting one when you want too. Plus you have to consider hours and other things. He has been looking but opted to spend 1/2 on the Sharp, and hold the other 1/2 until his house is built in hopes he would find a VT for sale around here. The reason he wants to trade for my VT is that it is only 14 months old, has almost 2 years warranty left, plus he knows how I treat my gear. And its calibrated. If he can find a second he would buy it, if not he'd get a second 70".

As far as a $5k ZT, we will just disagree because it aint my money so I dont care. The reliability of these sets has not been exactly peachy the last few years, so there is no way in hell Id drop $5k on something that is not made anymore from a company leaving the tv business, in hopes it lasts 3-5 years. On top of that, there is a 55" LG OLED for $4200.

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There's still the easy way to get a plasma - amazon, 2 day shipping. If he'd like brand new, he may be interested in the F8500 for about 3k and knowing he can return it to reputable dealers still- its only a hair away in performance to a VT50 for nighttime viewing and of course he can still crank brightness and worry less about IR since it seems to suffer less from it.
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Waiting for a Sammy 64F8500 to be delivered. Will the black levels on a 50" VT50 be better ?
Ive got a Pio 600M for comparison.

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VT50/60 blacks are better.
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Chad was by today to do my friends 2014 Sharp 70" and touch up my VT50. Over 4 months the dE shift was very very small, so that is good to know.

As far as the Sharp, it was problematic and took chad awhile.

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Gadget, does Chad calibrate your VT50 with panel bright high in either Day or 3D mode?
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When I had my vt50 chad did panel brightness high for 3d only. Only successful high mode cal for 2d I have seen is with a 3dlut.
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My Day and Night have always been Medium. Day and Night are really not accurate now, even though I use both modes. They are calibrated exactly the same, day is for 720p/1080i/1080p 60 hz sources, and Night is for 1080p/24 (96hz mode) since there is a slight difference in grayscale.

Both are Medium with a contrast of 82 and a gamma around 2.27, which is like 37 fl's. I just use Day all the time, and switch to Night when we watch a blu-ray.

My 3D cal was High and contrast of 100.
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Gadget congrats on preseason #1 . You are the "hunted" now
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Thanks Chunon & Gadget for the feedback. I don't feel like my day or night need to be on HIGH, but I do feel my 3D mode would do better with a slight sacrifice of color accuracy for extra brightness since it feels like some of the detail is lost in the lower apl scenes.
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Gadget congrats on preseason #1 . You are the "hunted" now
Man, it is so nice to be 4 years into Fisher after a lost decade. He really has a plan, lot like Saban, and FSU is spending $250 million over the next 8 years on facilities. Im a booster, so Im super excited...

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Man, it is so nice to be 4 years into Fisher after a lost decade. He really has a plan, lot like Saban, and FSU is spending $250 million over the next 8 years on facilities. Im a booster, so Im super excited...

Cool! I think it will be a great year for cfb in general. Would love to see my buckeyes play your noles
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His limit is $5k, and he needs two tv's at the end of it. $5k for a ZT is pretty stupid too...

He was thinking two sharps, one for man cave and one for living room, but since he games he wants my VT50 for man cave. Then he just spends another $2500 on another 70".
Ya 5K for a ZT60 is not a good deal.

Your "Friend" would be much better off buying a used 65VT60 (probably for less than 2K) and keeping his Brand new 70" 4K Sharp.
The VT60 is a all a round better display than the VT50.
Better back level, np with yellowing, less of a problem with IR, blue isn't understated.
Plus being a year newer, more than likely many less hours.

Being your "Friend" you may want to give him a alternative.
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Ya 5K for a ZT60 is not a good deal.

Your "Friend" would be much better off buying a used 65VT60 (probably for less than 2K) and keeping his Brand new 70" 4K Sharp.
The VT60 is a all a round better display than the VT50.
Better back level, np with yellowing, less of a problem with IR, blue isn't understated.
Plus being a year newer, more than likely many less hours.

Being your "Friend" you may want to give him a alternative.
Do tell. I'm not suffering IR and hitting all blue targets. Nor luminance problems.
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Do tell. I'm not suffering IR and hitting all blue targets. Nor luminance problems.
65VT50s are usually x=right on, y=slightly green, and Y very good

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Do tell. I'm not suffering IR and hitting all blue targets. Nor luminance problems.
main primary blue is under-saturated on the VT50s....

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Yawn.

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Got to say I have seen this under saturation of blue. Don't know it has any noticeable affect really but never heard much comment on it. Good to see a few new contributions on the VT
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VT50 is a great screen, only the VT60 is slightly better... I got both models and both look beautiful (after proper calibration)...

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You lucky SOB did you ever make a side by side comparison?
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You lucky SOB did you ever make a side by side comparison?
I've not directly compared them visually side-by-side as u would really need to make sure the lighting is right, the exact same content coming from the same source, viewing angle etc...

but having both calibrated with an eeColor LUT box (using 65^3 LUTs), they both look outstanding...

(large validation) dE reports are very good in both, VT50 has the blue under-saturation (that's the main thing)... VT60 performs overall better in these reports, but close...

I think the VT60 has slightly less motion jitter and ghosting (when it occurs in specific content)...

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its the motion jitter and ghosting i'm a bit jealous about. I'm hoping these new OLEDs manage to compete in that area
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main primary blue is under-saturated on the VT50s....
I'm confused. If it's undersaturated… I shouldn't be hitting all the 709 reference points… AV Forums gave the screen reference status.

As I had to back off a click or two in the CMS as my blue was a tad over-saturated on the CIE.
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I've not directly compared them visually side-by-side as u would really need to make sure the lighting is right, the exact same content coming from the same source, viewing angle etc...

but having both calibrated with an eeColor LUT box (using 65^3 LUTs), they both look outstanding...

(large validation) dE reports are very good in both, VT50 has the blue under-saturation (that's the main thing)... VT60 performs overall better in these reports, but close...

I think the VT60 has slightly less motion jitter and ghosting (when it occurs in specific content)...

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Yes I also agree with the above.

The key to calibrating the VT50 is doing a large 3DLUT.
That said even a smaller LUT will also help, as I started out doing my first LUT's on my VT50. I had a Mini Lumagen and started doing 125 point LUT's, this was a help.
However the real improvement happen when I got eecolor and LightSpace, then started to running 17x3 LUt's. Now with the help of a tool like IronMike's tools you can build, edit and Convert different patch set formatted files.

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I'm confused. If it's undersaturated… I shouldn't be hitting all the 709 reference points… AV Forums gave the screen reference status.

As I had to back off a click or two in the CMS as my blue was a tad over-saturated on the CIE.
can you post a CIE chart (showing at least the 3 primaries) of your set ?

which cal sw and meter are u using ? is your active meter profiled to a spectro ?

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Sadly it's a regular retail i1 Display Pro with HCFR 3.1.5.
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Sadly it's a regular retail i1 Display Pro with HCFR 3.1.5.
yeah, that's probably it... i1D3 is inaccurate w/o ref offset, yours seems to have a blue push...

but since we all have not personally validated your screen, maybe just maybe you have a VT60 in a VT50 case...

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