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The pixel orbiter does not help with IR. It simply doesn't move the image around enough to compensate for a static logo. All it would do is allow for you to still get IR, but instead of a clear logo, it would appear smeared a bit. If the other person got any IR on a Kuro, then they really hammered it. My 5020 never showed any signs of it, but all Samsung and Panny Plasmas I've owned since have shown it.

I never once "hammered" my Kuro to get IR on it. I could be watching a hockey game and a stat could come up on the bottom of the screen and when it went off, I would see IR on the screen for 20 - 30 seconds after. This happened very rarely with the Kuro though. I never saw anything from gaming. I also never saw anything from gaming on the VT30, so I would expect the VT50 to be the same. So far nothing from watching tv.
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I watch 95% blu-ray/dvd movies, 5% off the air broadcast TV, 0% gaming. Not 1 hint of IR in 2 weeks. Absolutely no buzzing. Just a hint of fan noise.

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My family owns a GT30. I have to have my ear right next to the TV or stand right next to it to hear and sort of buzz. I broke that set in for them in a small room and the only time the buzz on that set was any bit noticeable was naturally when the screen was bright. This set on the other hand buzzes the second the TV turns on. No matter if it's a dark picture or bright picture, it keeps buzzing at nearly the same volume. I sit about 10 feet away from it and it is still quite simple to spot even with the volume on. It's a loud one unfortunately. I actually compared it to their GT30 last night and it was a world of difference in volume. frown.gif

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Half the problem here is these damn slides. If it were not for these slides we would see about a 90% drop in IR complaints. I am no longer going to view slides on my set.

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In the menu of the VT50, there's something called a Pixel Orbiter. I don't know exactly what this does, but it sounds like it causes the image to shift on the screen every so often. I'm wondering if having this on would reduce any IR problems?
Using the orbiter will reduce the chances of getting visible IR. Keep in mind that there are some individuals that can see the orbiter in action which can be irritating. I'm not one of those individuals. smile.gif
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After visiting Best Buy Magnolia one last time last night and watching BR material on both the 70" Elite and the 65VT50 I think I will be going with the VT50. There is a lot to love about the Elite, the 70" screen is fantastic, the blacks and contrast is great and the image looks great however, screen uniformity and motion is something the VT50 does to near perfection. I fear that I would try to live with certain things I don't care for with the Elite (DSE and motion) and those would grow to bother me more over time, especially with the cost of the panel. The VT50 improves on everything I love about my 3+ year old Panasonic plasma and as much as I am wowed with some things about the Elite (even over the VT50) I think I will be happier with the VT50 knowing how much I have enjoyed my current TV for over 3 years now.

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After visiting Best Buy Magnolia one last time last night and watching BR material on both the 70" Elite and the 65VT50 I think I will be going with the VT50. There is a lot to love about the Elite, the 70" screen is fantastic, the blacks and contrast is great and the image looks great however, screen uniformity and motion is something the VT50 does to near perfection. I fear that I would try to live with certain things I don't care for with the Elite (DSE and motion) and those would grow to bother me more over time, especially with the cost of the panel. The VT50 improves on everything I love about my 3+ year old Panasonic plasma and as much as I am wowed with some things about the Elite (even over the VT50) I think I will be happier with the VT50 knowing how much I have enjoyed my current TV for over 3 years now.
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After visiting Best Buy Magnolia one last time last night and watching BR material on both the 70" Elite and the 65VT50 I think I will be going with the VT50. There is a lot to love about the Elite, the 70" screen is fantastic, the blacks and contrast is great and the image looks great however, screen uniformity and motion is something the VT50 does to near perfection. I fear that I would try to live with certain things I don't care for with the Elite (DSE and motion) and those would grow to bother me more over time, especially with the cost of the panel. The VT50 improves on everything I love about my 3+ year old Panasonic plasma and as much as I am wowed with some things about the Elite (even over the VT50) I think I will be happier with the VT50 knowing how much I have enjoyed my current TV for over 3 years now.
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Very happy to hear you've settled on the awesome VT50. I see you mentioned that DSE is something that would bother you.....well then you might want to reconsider your purchase. There are a significant amount of complaints regarding the new filter and DSE. My ST50 has vertical lines (streaks) across the whole screen that are brought out under various conditions. Owners of the GT and VT series have seen it too.
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I know plasmas are not immune to DSE and that the severity varies from one panel to the next even with the same model. This was clear in the 2 different Elite's I tested where one had terrible DSE and the other was very mild and acceptable IMO. I have yet to see it on the VT50's I've looked at but have seen other issues such as the vertical shaded strip and terrible IR. I also asked the Best Buy employee what content is played on the VT50 with the IR and he said they have ESPN on all day unless a customer wants to see a bluray demo:rolleyes:

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Good news guys. The bar I described as seeing on the right side of the screen isn't an issue now. With 36 hours left on the slides I decided to temporarily stop running them and see something else for a change. The culprit was the default custom settings for the slides. When I dialed down the contrast to a reasonable 78 the bar nearly vanished. Wow that's all it took! So I continued the slides and on the dark grey background (worse offender) and with contrast at 78 it looks to be 80-90% better. I can only see it faint and that's looking for it so I'm positive I won't see this with actual material. I only spent about 3 min testing this as to not throw off the slides so I can get full benefit from D-Nice...Thank you btw.

So yes don't use the slides as a measure of the PQ or you will want to throw it out the window (maybe not all of you but those that are OCD nitpicky). All is well now and I can't wait!
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I know plasmas are not immune to DSE and that the severity varies from one panel to the next even with the same model. This was clear in the 2 different Elite's I tested where one had terrible DSE and the other was very mild and acceptable IMO. I have yet to see it on the VT50's I've looked at but have seen other issues such as the vertical shaded strip and terrible IR. I also asked the Best Buy employee what content is played on the VT50 with the IR and he said they have ESPN on all day unless a customer wants to see a bluray demo:rolleyes:

lol, I always roll my eyes when I see the content played on a plasma at Best Buy. The ST50 they had on hand had nothing playing when I went to the store, so I put on the scrolling pattern and there was horrible IR on the screen, but that's the case with every plasma I test at the store. Those poor sets are abused. I've been looking for alternative televisions and really can't find any set that is better than this years Panasonic sets. They ALL have something wrong with them. The vertical lines caused by the uneven application of the louvre filter on my set bothers me, but not as much as horrible input lag, poor black levels and buzzing. I'm going to exchange my set with Amazon and see if the next is any better. As long as it isn't worse, I'm going to keep it and be done with it.
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So, you're also using an i1pro?
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Yes. The last time it was checked was nine months ago with Michael Chen's Jeti 1211 and it was very close.

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Yeah, it should be very close to a 1211.

It sounds like Panasonic still has excessive vairations between their lines like they did last year. I was told this was corrected this year, but aparently it has not been. Oh well, I guess I will have to do "series" based settings again.
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Yes. The last time it was checked was nine months ago with Michael Chen's Jeti 1211 and it was very close.

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Yeah, it should be very close to a 1211.
It sounds like Panasonic still has excessive vairations between their lines like they did last year. I was told this was corrected this year, but aparently it has not been. Oh well, I guess I will have to do "series" based settings again.


I have a Display Pro that I'm going to profile to the i1 Pro and try it. I'm also going to leave the contrast at 100 like Buzz did. Maybe that will let the colors dial in. My Night calibration was much better with the contrast at 78 but trying to get a good Day cal has been a chore.
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A contrast of 100? Yikes! What light output are you attempting to achieve? Also, there is no need to use a profile for your i1pro via Chromapure on a PDP. Especially your VT50. It would be interesting to see how your display measures with and without that profile.
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I have a Display Pro that I'm going to profile to the i1 Pro and try it. I'm also going to leave the contrast at 100 like Buzz did. Maybe that will let the colors dial in. My Night calibration was much better with the contrast at 78 but trying to get a good Day cal has been a chore.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I just came back from BB and tested the vt50 using Sin City, and wow is that contrast so mind blowing. I am coming from a 2010 Panny with the rising blacks and the difference was insane. Can't wait to get the 65 inch biggrin.gif.

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A good disc to demo on this set is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.. Great contrast. I highly suggest it if you're looking to purchase.
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A good disc to demo on this set is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.. Great contrast. I highly suggest it if you're looking to purchase.
Thanks! Will do. I'll rent the movie and take it with me tomorrow to demo the tv again.

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The Elite wowed me as well, but I can't get over the cartoonish feel to the motion. I have never been able to get used to the SOE.

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A good disc to demo on this set is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.. Great contrast. I highly suggest it if you're looking to purchase.
Yep, this is one of the ones I was using last night. My AUS copy of The Descent and Sweeney Todd have also been in heavy rotation for contrast and black levels. The scenes DK from cnet references in his review were useful but I was not overly impressed with the whites in Harry's dream or whatever that scene is. Mo
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The Elite wowed me as well, but I can't get over the cartoonish feel to the motion. I have never been able to get used to the SOE.
That can be turned off. It can also be turned on or off on the VT50 FYI. I wanted to give the Elite the utmost consideration, had I not gotten the settings from a member in the Elite thread I would have been vastly unimpressed with it's colors and general PQ in bluray playback but calibration makes ALL the difference and that was without ISF. It is a very fine panel as is the VT50, if that weren't the case my decision would have been much much easier.

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A contrast of 100? Yikes! What light output are you attempting to achieve? Also, there is no need to use a profile for your i1pro via Chromapure on a PDP. Especially your VT50. It would be interesting to see how your display measures with and without that profile.

I meant profiling the i1 Display 3 Pro to the i1 Pro. I have the colors much better now so I'm going to watch it for a while and enjoy the set. Here is the report ISF Cal Day 6-6-12.pdf 290k .pdf file
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That can be turned off. It can also be turned on or off on the VT50 FYI. I wanted to give the Elite the utmost consideration, had I not gotten the settings from a member in the Elite thread I would have been vastly unimpressed with it's colors and general PQ in bluray playback but calibration makes ALL the difference and that was without ISF. It is a very fine panel as is the VT50, if that weren't the case my decision would have been much much easier.
Maybe it's just that I'm so used to the motion of plasmas, but it doesn't quite feel like I am watching a film when looking at the Elite if that makes any sense.

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That can be turned off. It can also be turned on or off on the VT50 FYI. I wanted to give the Elite the utmost consideration, had I not gotten the settings from a member in the Elite thread I would have been vastly unimpressed with it's colors and general PQ in bluray playback but calibration makes ALL the difference and that was without ISF. It is a very fine panel as is the VT50, if that weren't the case my decision would have been much much easier.
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Maybe it's just that I'm so used to the motion of plasmas, but it doesn't quite feel like I am watching a film when looking at the Elite if that makes any sense.

Makes perfect sense... even with the frame interpolation turned off, all LCD panels (including the Elite) have a subtle digitized look to it's picture compared to plasma's more comfortable-looking image and motion. For me, this is THE factor that keeps me from condering the Elite. Despite it's super deep (and very impressive) blacks, when you consider actually living day to day watching it, no question I'll take a lesser-quality plasma any day. It's image may not impress as much at first, but definately will over time.
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I think the advantage the Elite has is smaller in comparison to the vt50's advantages. The black levels are close enough for me that the superior color and motion that the vt50 offers has me won.

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Thanks. I wish the luminance controls worked. I think I could get all the dE under 1. As it is the picture is the best I've seen it for a room with lights.

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I think the advantage the Elite has is smaller in comparison to the vt50's advantages. The black levels are close enough for me that the superior color and motion that the vt50 offers has me won.

That's pretty much how I fl with the exception of the exra 5" and the black/green tint to the plasma screen when it has moderate or higher room or outside light hitting it... that's when the blacks take a hit but most any viewing I give a rip about is done at night with dim or no light.

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I've seen a lot of questions about input latency (it's important to gamers or PC users). I just performed my own test, using the classic "camera" method. I used a mid-2010 Macbook Pro running windows with Aero off as a reference. Here are my results:

Game Mode: 16-33ms

ISF Day: 67-100ms

Now, you need to keep in mind that this doesn't mean that the input latency of the VT50 is 16-33ms... all it means is that it's 16-33ms slower than my Macbook Pro. That said, I can't perceive any lag whatsoever on the MBP, so another 33ms isn't going to hurt me.

There are other users who have more sophisticated equipment to perform this same test (with a closed loop system)... I've seen numbers as high in the 50's from those. However, those devices likely require calibration for a truly accurate reading. That said, I would find 50ms believable. Would I personally be able to tell on my Xbox 360? Probably not. Mousing around in windows feels fine to me, as long as I'm in game mode. Switch to ISF Day, and then I can start to really feel the lag.
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