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The wife and I just purchased a new house and I'm looking to upgrade our main TV from a 7 year old Toshiba 42" 720p LCD. I am wanting to go at least 55", possibly up to 60" depending on bezel size. Of course price is a concern but I plan to keep this TV for several years so I want great picture quality and as many future proof features as possible. The top contenders right now are:

Panasonic TC-P55ST50 - $1550 new
Samsung PN59D7000 - $1400 open box (missing stand and remote)
Samsung UN55D7000 - $1600 display model, includes remotes
Panasonic TC-P55ST30 - $1000 new

Any input is appreciated, and if I'm missing a model you think belongs in this price range please let me know.
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I think that the ST50 will provide you with the best picture quality out of the options you listed.
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The wife and I just purchased a new house and I'm looking to upgrade our main TV from a 7 year old Toshiba 42" 720p LCD. I am wanting to go at least 55", possibly up to 60" depending on bezel size. Of course price is a concern but I plan to keep this TV for several years so I want great picture quality and as many future proof features as possible. The top contenders right now are:

Panasonic TC-P55ST50 - $1550 new
Samsung PN59D7000 - $1400 open box (missing stand and remote)
Samsung UN55D7000 - $1600 display model, includes remotes
Panasonic TC-P55ST30 - $1000 new

Any input is appreciated, and if I'm missing a model you think belongs in this price range please let me know.

If there are any Fry's by you, they have a UN60EH6000 available for $1199, brand new, B & M only........(in-store only, thru tomorrow)

some UNxxD7000 owners who own both, state that the 'backlit' eh6000 has better pq, but it only has 2 hdmi inputs, problem solved with an advanced AV rcvr....
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The ST50. Last year's tvs all had, what I consider, major problems.

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Having moved from a 60" ST30 to a 60" ST50, would have to say that the 50 is the better set.

AND, if you end up with a ST30 that has Green Blobs or Pink Tint - as all 3 of ours did - the 50 becomes a MUCH better set.

Price difference is substantial, but if you are willing to wait a bit longer, prices SHOULD come down on 2012 panels.

IF you will be putting the set in a light-controlled viewing room, might consider the UT50 Panasonic or the LG PM6700 - and the LG PA6500/6550/5500 look like they might be Screaming Bargains in the 60" size category, if (like us) you don't care about 3D...
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Having moved from a 60" ST30 to a 60" ST50, would have to say that the 50 is the better set.

AND, if you end up with a ST30 that has Green Blobs or Pink Tint - as all 3 of ours did - the 50 becomes a MUCH better set.

Price difference is substantial, but if you are willing to wait a bit longer, prices SHOULD come down on 2012 panels.

IF you will be putting the set in a light-controlled viewing room, might consider the UT50 Panasonic or the LG PM6700 - and the LG PA6500/6550/5500 look like they might be Screaming Bargains in the 60" size category, if (like us) you don't care about 3D...

The PA6500 now has me intrigued, especially for the price in a 60". How would you compare it to your ST50 from a picture quality standpoint?
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The wife and I just purchased a new house and I'm looking to upgrade our main TV from a 7 year old Toshiba 42" 720p LCD. I am wanting to go at least 55", possibly up to 60" depending on bezel size. Of course price is a concern but I plan to keep this TV for several years so I want great picture quality and as many future proof features as possible. The top contenders right now are:

Panasonic TC-P55ST50 - $1550 new
Samsung PN59D7000 - $1400 open box (missing stand and remote)
Samsung UN55D7000 - $1600 display model, includes remotes
Panasonic TC-P55ST30 - $1000 new

Any input is appreciated, and if I'm missing a model you think belongs in this price range please let me know.

The price for the open box seems pretty high to me... So I would pick the st50.
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ST50. The price for that open box is a bit high considering its missing a remote and stand lol

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if you're planning in keeping this set for a while, I'd definitely take an st50.

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I have dilemma too:

Samsung 60E6500 2189
Samsung 64E8000 3049,90

Panasonic 55ST50 2199
Panasonic 65ST50 3299

No 60E8000 or 60ST50 here in Finland. I think 64E8000 would give me more than 65S50. 150 cheaper and with more stuff. I believe picture quality is pretty much equal. Panny would have slightly better blacks, but Sammy is more resistant to ir.

I wonder which set has the brighter 3D and better daylight performance? Last year D8000 was said to be better but is Panny better now? Which one has more dse? I hate dse.
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The wife and I just purchased a new house and I'm looking to upgrade our main TV from a 7 year old Toshiba 42" 720p LCD. I am wanting to go at least 55", possibly up to 60" depending on bezel size. Of course price is a concern but I plan to keep this TV for several years so I want great picture quality and as many future proof features as possible. The top contenders right now are:

Panasonic TC-P55ST50 - $1550 new
Samsung PN59D7000 - $1400 open box (missing stand and remote)
Samsung UN55D7000 - $1600 display model, includes remotes
Panasonic TC-P55ST30 - $1000 new

Any input is appreciated, and if I'm missing a model you think belongs in this price range please let me know.

I'd go with the ST50, although I do think the ST30 gets a bad rap here, it is a great bargain at the $999 price point.

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If you're interested in calibrating the TV's color and grayscale yourself (all you need is a $100 colorimeter, a laptop and some time), then the samsung plasma deserves consideration - it's a cake walk to a nearly reference picture. Very calibration friendly compared with a Panasonic.

You can talk 'em down on the open box price.
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If you're interested in calibrating the TV's color and grayscale yourself (all you need is a $100 colorimeter, a laptop and some time), then the samsung plasma deserves consideration - it's a cake walk to a nearly reference picture. Very calibration friendly compared with a Panasonic.

Colorimeter's are only $100, really?

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Well, the phased-out i1D2 is still available (that's what I use):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...r_Monitor.html
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The PA6500 now has me intrigued, especially for the price in a 60". How would you compare it to your ST50 from a picture quality standpoint?

Have not seen the LGs outside of a showroom, so it is difficult to know precisely how they would compare in a home viewing environment. But we've seen them in several local stores, and (FWIW) they have looked Very Competitive against the surrounding sets, whether LCD or Plasma. (Note that the newest Pan plasma we've seen in close proximity was a UT50.)

Black levels will be better on the ST50 - and probably MUCH better - but the LGs seem Very Bright, and with nice colors (seem competitive with ST50; or, in other words, better than ST30...). In the showroom, letterbox bars on one 6500 looked lighter (less "black") than an adjacent Pan (think it was a 55" ST30), but a second LG (at another store) appeared to handily beat the 65" ST30 it was sitting next to: deeper black in letterbox bars, brighter overall picture, and nicer colors.

But then who knows how each of these panels was Adjusted???

The LG also offers a much broader range of User Adjustable Picture Controls, including a built-in "Picture Wizard" that would probably produce an Improvement compared to the settings used by 90% of the viewing public.

HDTV Forum Readers excluded, of course...

Also think the LG has a nice physical design.

As mentioned, the LG seems more reflective - on par with the UT50 - and, IN THE PAST, LGs have had a poor rep for Image Retention / Burn In. But given all of the complaints about IR on the 2011 Pan Plasmas, am not certain that that gap hasn't closed a bit (assuming it was "real" in the first place).

The LG 6500/6550 (CostCo's model) is an "entry level" 1080p panel: No 3D, no fancy apps: just straight up HDTV!

But, frankly, given the price it is currently being sold at, I would chose the LG over either the 2011 Pan S30 OR the ST30: Green Blobs and/or Pink Tint ruined the viewing experience for us with those panels, and we would have gladly given up some ultimate black levels for Pure(r) Colors!

Long Story Short: The ST50 is a heck of a set, always assuming that "glitches" don't show up in the near future. From a pure PQ perspective, it should beat the other panels mentioned - but it also, for now, costs quite a bit more.

At something like 2/3rds of the cost, a LG 6500 begins to look Very Attractive - and esp the 6550 (CostCo), which will add a 2nd Year to the warranty. (Although think LG now includes a 2 year warranty on the panel / 1 year on labor / ? Other Components)
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Have not seen the LGs outside of a showroom, so it is difficult to know precisely how they would compare in a home viewing environment. But we've seen them in several local stores, and (FWIW) they have looked Very Competitive against the surrounding sets, whether LCD or Plasma. (Note that the newest Pan plasma we've seen in close proximity was a UT50.)

Black levels will be better on the ST50 - and probably MUCH better - but the LGs seem Very Bright, and with nice colors (seem competitive with ST50; or, in other words, better than ST30...). In the showroom, letterbox bars on one 6500 looked lighter (less "black") than an adjacent Pan (think it was a 55" ST30), but a second LG (at another store) appeared to handily beat the 65" ST30 it was sitting next to: deeper black in letterbox bars, brighter overall picture, and nicer colors.

But then who knows how each of these panels was Adjusted???

The LG also offers a much broader range of User Adjustable Picture Controls, including a built-in "Picture Wizard" that would probably produce an Improvement compared to the settings used by 90% of the viewing public.

HDTV Forum Readers excluded, of course...

Also think the LG has a nice physical design.

As mentioned, the LG seems more reflective - on par with the UT50 - and, IN THE PAST, LGs have had a poor rep for Image Retention / Burn In. But given all of the complaints about IR on the 2011 Pan Plasmas, am not certain that that gap hasn't closed a bit (assuming it was "real" in the first place).

The LG 6500/6550 (CostCo's model) is an "entry level" 1080p panel: No 3D, no fancy apps: just straight up HDTV!

But, frankly, given the price it is currently being sold at, I would chose the LG over either the 2011 Pan S30 OR the ST30: Green Blobs and/or Pink Tint ruined the viewing experience for us with those panels, and we would have gladly given up some ultimate black levels for Pure(r) Colors!

Long Story Short: The ST50 is a heck of a set, always assuming that "glitches" don't show up in the near future. From a pure PQ perspective, it should beat the other panels mentioned - but it also, for now, costs quite a bit more.

At something like 2/3rds of the cost, a LG 6500 begins to look Very Attractive - and esp the 6550 (CostCo), which will add a 2nd Year to the warranty. (Although think LG now includes a 2 year warranty on the panel / 1 year on labor / ? Other Components)

Not all ST30's had green blobs and pink tint btw.

To the original poster stick with the ST50.

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The wife and I just purchased a new house and I'm looking to upgrade our main TV from a 7 year old Toshiba 42" 720p LCD. I am wanting to go at least 55", possibly up to 60" depending on bezel size. Of course price is a concern but I plan to keep this TV for several years so I want great picture quality and as many future proof features as possible. The top contenders right now are:

Panasonic TC-P55ST50 - $1550 new
Samsung PN59D7000 - $1400 open box (missing stand and remote)
Samsung UN55D7000 - $1600 display model, includes remotes
Panasonic TC-P55ST30 - $1000 new

Any input is appreciated, and if I'm missing a model you think belongs in this price range please let me know.

You're getting quoted far too much for the 55ST30. Check ou the pricing deals sub-forum here. People are getting the 60ST30 for $900.
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Here's the update:

Went back by Best Buy this afternoon pretty certain I was gonna buy the 55ST50. I went over to the Magnolia area and asked the guy about the open box PN59D7000 marked $1400. He checked the computer on what he could do and the TV came up as being $1299, and he ended up discounting it to $1050 out the door. At that price and with a 45 day return policy I bit. (he also made sure he got me a qwerty remote, but no stand)

Once I get it mounted in the new house next week I'll adjust settings and put it through its paces. How do you guys think I did at that price, and would the 55ST50 at $1550 still be a better buy?
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Here's the update:

Went back by Best Buy this afternoon pretty certain I was gonna buy the 55ST50. I went over to the Magnolia area and asked the guy about the open box PN59D7000 marked $1400. He checked the computer on what he could do and the TV came up as being $1299, and he ended up discounting it to $1050 out the door. At that price and with a 45 day return policy I bit. (he also made sure he got me a qwerty remote, but no stand)

Once I get it mounted in the new house next week I'll adjust settings and put it through its paces. How do you guys think I did at that price, and would the 55ST50 at $1550 still be a better buy?

That's a heck of a deal if its in great shape. That will blow the LG you were discussing out of the water imo

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Here's the update:

Went back by Best Buy this afternoon .... and asked the guy about the open box PN59D7000 marked $1400. He .... ended up discounting it to $1050 out the door. At that price and with a 45 day return policy I bit....

How do you guys think I did at that price, and would the 55ST50 at $1550 still be a better buy?


Personal Opinion: You got a great bargain, especially with 45-days to check for Infant Mortality problems!

Which panel is "a better buy" is always relative to a number of factors, at least some of which are Subjective - - - Ex: our youngest son & wife bought a GT over a ST, NOT because of any perceived improvement in Overall PQ, but simply because they liked the Bezel Design better - - - but (& again a personal opinion), I think you took the Better Buy in this case.

Congratulations - hope you enjoy your new panel for a long time!
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Personal Opinion: You got a great bargain, especially with 45-days to check for Infant Mortality problems!

Which panel is "a better buy" is always relative to a number of factors, at least some of which are Subjective - - - Ex: our youngest son & wife bought a GT over a ST, NOT because of any perceived improvement in Overall PQ, but simply because they liked the Bezel Design better - - - but (& again a personal opinion), I think you took the Better Buy in this case.

Congratulations - hope you enjoy your new panel for a long time!

Thanks, I felt that at $1050 I couldn't go wrong compared to the other TV's and prices I was looking at. What would be the best way to check this TV to make sure there are no problems. Any certain video content I should work with, settings, etc?
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Nice deal.

Have a look at the calibration thread for settings specific to your model (D7000 or D8000). You don't need to input the custom color space, white balance or 10pt, they do not carry over reliably (but if you become interested in calibration, there is a Samsung-specific, detailed guide to DIY calibration posted):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1333561

FYI - the QWERTY remote is only useful on a D8000.
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FYI - the QWERTY remote is only useful on a D8000.

Are you certain? Frankly, I am NOT certain, but thought I remembered seeing the QWERTY pad as an Option for the 7000 - ??
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Thanks, I felt that at $1050 I couldn't go wrong compared to the other TV's and prices I was looking at. What would be the best way to check this TV to make sure there are no problems. Any certain video content I should work with, settings, etc?

The biggest problem with buying a floor sample plasma is burn-in.
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Thanks, I felt that at $1050 I couldn't go wrong compared to the other TV's and prices I was looking at. What would be the best way to check this TV to make sure there are no problems. Any certain video content I should work with, settings, etc?


Personally, would run the heck of the panel during the return period.

If you plan to run "break in slides" that takes care of 100 - 200 hours, of course.

Our practice is to MOSTLY run Full 16:9 program material for the first couple hundred hours, varying between Slides, Full-Screen Animation, and "normal" 16:9 programming (which includes Most "HDTV" Channels) - taking care to "Zoom" any LOGOs / Tickers OFF of the screen on material that will be run for more than an hour.

Note the "MOSTLY": we will run a Letterboxed (2.15/2:35:1) movie several times each week, even when the panel is pretty new - but the set will also have 8 - 16 hours / day of Deliberate Full-Screen Material running as well.

Part of this may be unnecessary carry-over from earlier plasma recommendations (although middle daughter's Samsumg plasma - bought in early 2011 - came with a recommendation, in the Owner's Manual, to run full-screen programming for at least the first 100 hours...), but an IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION is the desire to uncover any "infant mortality" problems while the set is still in the Return Period.

Example: our newest set is just One Week old today: first two movies we watched were "Journey to the Center of the Earth," and "Avatar" - both full 16:9 - but have since viewed 2 letterboxed movies in their entirety, and parts of several others. [Test Samples... ]
And today is the first day I've not left the set running SOMETHING (at 16:9) for at least 12 hours....

........

As to specific problems to look for: glance through a couple of Owner's Threads & see what problems others have reported. (Peeling filters? FBr? Other(s)? )

Beyond that, look at content you are familiar with, and see "How it Looks" to you.
If your panel is anything like the last several we've had, the overall PQ is likely to IMPROVE as it "settles in." (And, of course, you will become more accustomed to its Particular Peculiarities as well!)

Then get a copy of a decent "Calibration Disk" - AVS or Disney WOW generally get the best reviews for the typical user - and use it to make finer adjustments...

(There is nothing preventing you from doing that up front - but a lot of panels Change somewhat as they age, hence the recommendation of a "break-in period.")

All-in-all, most HDTVs today, and especially Plasma sets, are Pretty Darn Good, and barring some Unexpected Glitch you should be able to enjoy yours for some years to come!
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Are you certain? Frankly, I am NOT certain, but thought I remembered seeing the QWERTY pad as an Option for the 7000 - ??

AFAIK, yes. The D7000 has no web browser, so what purpose would it serve? The D8000 comes with the QWERTY remote because it has a browser.
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Well I had a horrible day with the D7000. A buddy of mine came over to help me mount it and upon unwrapping it we found several cracks running through various edges of the screen. I had not checked the screen since the guys at Magnolia took it off the display wall and packaged it up. The TV was never dropped, stressed, etc. My first concern was Best Buy covering a return and secondly knowing that I would have to give up the TV as there was no other D7000's in stock, especially at the $1050 price.

I ended up getting the Panasonic 55ST50 and got it hung tonight. I haven't had a chance to start any break in period but hopefully everything with this TV turns out well.
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Well I had a horrible day with the D7000. A buddy of mine came over to help me mount it and upon unwrapping it we found several cracks running through various edges of the screen. I had not checked the screen since the guys at Magnolia took it off the display wall and packaged it up. The TV was never dropped, stressed, etc. My first concern was Best Buy covering a return and secondly knowing that I would have to give up the TV as there was no other D7000's in stock, especially at the $1050 price.

I ended up getting the Panasonic 55ST50 and got it hung tonight. I haven't had a chance to start any break in period but hopefully everything with this TV turns out well.

Man what a bummer, how can they sell things in that condition ? I think you will be very happy with the ST50 tho

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