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My viewing position is 8ft & I have a 60" Panasonic st50 coming tomorrow.
I'm worried that it may be too big from this distance.
I can exchange it for a 55" GT50 for around $60 more.
Would the 55" be sharper & would I see less dithering from 8ft?
I keep going back & forth thinking about the 55" GT50.
What would you advise?
Going by this http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.co...tance-s/79.htm it looks like I may be pushing it a bit with the 60".

Thanks.
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Some will tell you to stick with what you have but I on the other hand am sensitive to dithering and I can notice it on a 60" at 8ft. In fact I was in your shoes and returned a 60" for a 55" before at 7-9ft and the dithering went away and the picture became sharper.

The ST50 will probably handle it better but you really need to be watching high quality sources.
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Thanks for the advice.
I might just return it then.
Now, to decide between the 55" ST50, GT 50, VT50.
Wonder if the PQ is better on the vt to warrant the extra cash.
I read the st has a faster reponse time than the gt.
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I think a 60" would be fine. I own a Samung D7000 59", and I sit 8.5 to 9ft ( depending where I'm at on my couch), and I sometimes wish I had the 64" model.
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Check out these links on what THX says......

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...r-buyer-guide/

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...r/hdtv-set-up/

I see thx recommends a closer viewing distance. Thanks fothe links. Maybe I should also mention thatg I'll be doing probably 60% gaming & 40% movie wsatching.
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My viewing position is 8ft & I have a 60" Panasonic st50 coming tomorrow.
I'm worried that it may be too big from this distance.
I can exchange it for a 55" GT50 for around $60 more.
Would the 55" be sharper & would I see less dithering from 8ft?

At 9 feet, a 60" ST50 provides a WONDERFUL PQ with blu-rays (or HDDVDs!), and is acceptable (or better) with many HD TV shows & good quality SD DVDs - but terrible with others.

Still, most "HDTV" and SD DVDs look better from about 12 feet away.

You are within - albeit barely - the recommended viewing distance range offered by the site you referenced: if you watch Mostly HD, the 60" may work fine. (With a GOOD blu-ray - not all transfers are equal! - I could easily watch from 8 feet away, or even closer...)

Although while 55" is not a huge drop in size, it is a step in the "right" direction, given your distance / concerns - but more and more material is becoming available in "HD," and blu-ray players, and many movies, are now attractively priced.
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Definitely get the 60. no one has ever complained that "my TV is too big." on the other hand there are people that look at their display and all the time they say "I wish I had gotten a bigger TV."

As an example, for kuro pioneers (high quality but no longer in production): on craigslist the 60 inch pioneer is much more rare and in much more demand, while there are tons of 50 inch sets for sale.

There some threads on this board where people are willing to trade 2 50 inch pioneer TVs for one 60 inch
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I watch my 59" plasma from 9 feet without any issues to report and certainly wouldn't want to be any further away from it.

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8ft is as far as I can go. I guess I can unbox the 60 & check it out. I got it from amazon so I can send it back if its been opened right?
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you're going to regret not getting the 60
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I just got a 50" Panasonic and can see that i should have gone up to 55.
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Normally, I would agree with the 'larger is better crowd' but as you say 60% of the TVs use will be for gaming I want to ask one question: do you play shooters?

The reason I ask is games like Call of Duty, Halo and many popular first and third person shooters use a fairly narrow field of view (FOV). Now, if you're not familiar with the implications of FOV in the gaming space or how your brain interprets motion I'll try and sum it up this way:

The closer you sit to your monitor (or the less peripheral vision you have of the surrounding space) the wider your FOV will likely need to be for comfortable gaming.

Similarly,

The farther you sit from your monitor (or the more peripheral vision you have of the surrounding space) the narrower your FOV will likely need to be for comfortable gaming.

Sitting too far away from a wide FOV game will create a 'fish eye' perspective and sitting too close to a narrow FOV game could cause dizziness or other motion related maladies.

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The bad news? The vast majority of console FPS and 3rdPS don't let you adjust your FOV-- instead, they err on the side of caution by setting the FOV narrow assuming you'll be sitting far from your set or you'll have the ability to just move back.

I find, for myself, that there is a fairly narrow range of distance between too close and too far for me to comfortably play an FPS especially in a competitive manner ( one of the reasons that most of my competitive play happens in the office from a chair with casters ).
FYI: 6 feet feels about right from my 46" (my 37" was way too small from that distance) and 7-8 feet feels about perfect from my 50" (these are head-distance, not chair distance). I should mention that for movie watching I could go MUCH bigger but find that the 50 is a nice size for a variety of content. For bluray in particular I could sit right in front of a 60" and be happy!

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Everyone will have a different opinion based on their priorities. If I were in your situation, I would go with the 55VT50.

NHT speakers, Denon 4520, 65VT50
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Sage, good points. To preface what I say, I'm not a hardcore FPS gamer, but I do play them. I can see what you're saying, but unless the TV occupies most of his visual field, I don't think it's a problem. It's not like he's sitting in the front row of a movie theater. He's 8 feet away. He's not looking at pure screen. I'm betting he can see the whole TV, including his wall, TV stand, blu ray player, etc. For me that's more than enough for a narrow fov.
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i had the same delimma this past weekend...I went with the 55VT50...the 65VT50 was out of price range, but I was tempted by the 60GT50...ultimately went 55VT50 and actually saved a little $, of which I promptly spent on 3d glasses (got 4 sets that were price matched from amazon, not bad) and blu ray player. (panasonic 220)
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I do have to say it's amazing how the picture quality from my new 50" pops compared to my 42".
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i had the same delimma this past weekend...I went with the 55VT50...the 65VT50 was out of price range, but I was tempted by the 60GT50...ultimately went 55VT50 and actually saved a little $, of which I promptly spent on 3d glasses (got 4 sets that were price matched from amazon, not bad) and blu ray player. (panasonic 220)

What's your viewing distance?
Can I use a different remote for the VT50? I don't like it.
Is the 55" vt50 worth $569 more than the GT?
Does the gt really have more input lag than the st?
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Some would say that's too close for a 60", but it's not really that much different for a 55". Stick with the 60"
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What's your viewing distance?
Can I use a different remote for the VT50? I don't like it.
Is the 55" vt50 worth $569 more than the GT?
Does the gt really have more input lag than the st?

Sorry, delivery is set for Thursday. I sit anywhwre from 6-9' away. I have an Android phone and iPad2 so maybe one of those could serve as remote...ill know more Thursday.
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Well, I opened up the 60" ST50 & began D Nice panel prep.
I do like the size but we'll see how the picture looks 100 hours from now.
Also, I just thought if I wall mount it sometime in the future I could possibly sqeeze a 9.5ft viewing distance. My stand comes up 2 inches or so from the top on the sides & back. The tv pedestals are so big I can only push the TV back on my stand so far till the back part of the pedestal touches the back of the stand. Also, the stand will not go flush against the wall because of cables in outlets & cables & speaker wire running everywhere. Wall mounting may give me the seperation I need if I need any. We shall see.
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Sorry, delivery is set for Thursday. I sit anywhwre from 6-9' away. I have an Android phone and iPad2 so maybe one of those could serve as remote...ill know more Thursday.

Let me know how it goes.
I think you'll love it.
I just don't know if I want to part with that much more money atm.
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