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Here's the 3D post-calibration detail (Y/100 looks quite low, but maybe that's normal for 3D through those Panny glasses).

I'm not sure why the blue and magenta values are off-target slightly, but maybe that's normal for 3D. Don't know. I'll ask him about it when he's back next trip for my 960 calibration.
Yes, I'm in LA. He does do California (including San Diego, and probably all over).

imo, the Y value is not really that low. Blue and Magenta are always a problem with are 65VT50's as you can see in the CIE chart, the problem is that you can always bring a primary or secondary in, but if that P/S is not out side (or at-least on the boarder) of the CIE chart you can't bring it out (basically, but yes they can be manipulated to a point) to the corresponding point.

I am glad you are learning what the Raw numbers really mean, as you may know D-Nice was my first mentor when I started down the path of a DIY'er.

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I want to use D-Nice's settings for a VT50 that should be coming in soon.

Can I watch normal content and/or play games while running slides for the first 4 days or does it NEED to be 100 hours of slides straight?
If you want D-Nice's settings to come as close as possible to the set he calibrated on your set, then you need to follow his settings exactly. If not, then you can do any combination that's comfortable for you. D-Nice points out that his procedure isn't related to protection against IR. Over the long run the best protection against IR is to continually mix the source material that you watch.

As JimP said, avoid any extended sessions with the same fixed image for a few hundred hours.
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Here is my ControlCal file.


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Chad B just left my house a little before 1am. I will post a complete review of his calibration tomorrow, but suffice it to say I am very happy with the results.

More importantly, Chad had some cancelations in Texas this tour and if anyone is looking for a reputable calibrator over the next couple of days you should look him up. He can fill in the details, but I believe he planned on being between Dallas and Austin over the next couple days.
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My calibration with Chad B was a very positive experience. Chad arrived at my home for an evening appointment so that we could take advantage of a fully darkened environment for calibration. 6pm was still a little early this time of year so he decided to go grab a bite to eat and come back after sundown. This added a couple of hours to the overall time-frame but Chad wanted to get it right and I was fine with staying up late.

Chad walked me through his entire process, which involved doing completely separate calibrations for ISF Day and ISF Night vs just calibrating one mode and making Contrast/Brightness compensation for the other. I truly believe this resulted in near-perfect results for both Day and Night modes. Once those were dialed in, he tackled 3D mode using the Panny 3D glasses strapped to the JETI spectroradiometer. While I'm less critical about 3D viewing, the initial results look great and I'm really looking forward to watching a couple of my favorite 3D blu-rays this weekend.

Chad was meticulous and stayed until he was happy with everything, which meant he was at my house until 1am. ISF Day, Night, 3D were calibrated for HDMI 1 and then we copied those settings to HDMI 2 and validated that the settings were valid for the second input. Given the amount of time Chad spent on this, I would say that his price was surprisingly reasonable. I was expecting to pay more (but don't tell Chad) for this level of service.

I feel badly that Chad had multiple cancellations on this Texas tour and it likely will not be a money maker for him. If anyone reads this today and wants a calibration somewhere between North Texas and Ohio, get in touch with Chad! You will be glad you did.

I'll just post one or two graphs that show before / after:

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LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

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My calibration with Chad B was a very positive experience.
Thanks for your calibration report. I've added a link to it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Did Chad work on your audio?
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Thanks for your calibration report. I've added a link to it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Did Chad work on your audio?

No audio work...I'm very satisfied with that aspect of my system so we didn't even discuss. When UMR was out here last year he agreed that there was little room for improvement.

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Thanks for your calibration report. I've added a link to it in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Did Chad work on your audio?

No audio work...I'm very satisfied with that aspect of my system so we didn't even discuss. When UMR was out here last year he agreed that there was little room for improvement.
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Nice charts - they look rigged! <-- that's a good thing wink.gif

I wish I was in Texas so i could jump on board.
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Nice charts - they look rigged! <-- that's a good thing wink.gif

I wish I was in Texas so i could jump on board.

Thanks...maybe this fancy calibrators just print out pretty reports to psych us out! I hadn't thought of that until now. wink.gif

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Glad it went well for you 😄

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My calibration with Chad B was a very positive experience. Chad arrived at my home for an evening appointment so that we could take advantage of a fully darkened environment for calibration. 6pm was still a little early this time of year so he decided to go grab a bite to eat and come back after sundown. This added a couple of hours to the overall time-frame but Chad wanted to get it right and I was fine with staying up late.

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Chad was meticulous and stayed until he was happy with everything, which meant he was at my house until 1am. ISF Day, Night, 3D were calibrated for HDMI 1 and then we copied those settings to HDMI 2 and validated that the settings were valid for the second input. Given the amount of time Chad spent on this, I would say that his price was surprisingly reasonable. I was expecting to pay more (but don't tell Chad) for this level of service.

I feel badly that Chad had multiple cancellations on this Texas tour and it likely will not be a money maker for him. If anyone reads this today and wants a calibration somewhere between North Texas and Ohio, get in touch with Chad! You will be glad you did.

I'll just post one or two graphs that show before / after:

Grayscale Balance:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Color Saturation Gamut:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Just curious since you mention you had another calibrator our before. Did you see an improvement in the picture from one to the other that is noticeable? Would that be attributed to # of hours on the TV, equipment, calibration technique, all of the above?
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My calibration with Chad B was a very positive experience.

Just curious since you mention you had another calibrator our before. Did you see an improvement in the picture from one to the other that is noticeable? Would that be attributed to # of hours on the TV, equipment, calibration technique, all of the above?
My guess is that it was for a different display. wink.gif
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Just curious since you mention you had another calibrator our before. Did you see an improvement in the picture from one to the other that is noticeable? Would that be attributed to # of hours on the TV, equipment, calibration technique, all of the above?

Not a different display LOL!

I'd actually have to say both pictures were very good, and I would attribute the difference to "all of the above" with an emphasis on equipment and technique. The panel had between 200 and 300 hours before the first calibration and it now has just over 1000 hours on it.

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I'm thinking about using one of my ISF memories to store the settings that will give me a better picture during the time it takes to warm up my display. Normally, I wait several hours to calibrate as the picture appears to shift but I'd like to have some settings that would optimize the picture during this warm up time.

Has anyone tried this and if so, what did they find shifted the most?

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I see postings about THX mode and how good or bad it is.
If I have the set ISF CALIBRATED Won't THRX MODE BE RENDERED USELESS BECAUSE I WILL BE USING EITHER ISF DAY OR ISF NIGHT?
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No.

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Please elaborate on how it is still best utilized...
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You can calibrate both ISF/ Custom and THX Modes. Or you can choose one or the other. There really is nobtrason to do that, which is why most of the time it seems custom or isf mode is used. Thx cinema and thx 3d still have very good color though so the modes are not useless.

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You can calibrate both ISF/ Custom and THX Modes. Or you can choose one or the other. There really is nobtrason to do that, which is why most of the time it seems custom or isf mode is used. Thx cinema and thx 3d still have very good color though so the modes are not useless.

Agree just have to be creative with color temps to utilize all the modes since the service menu changes required for THX mode affect all picture mode presets.

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I did mine with THX Cinema in warm in the service mode and then did Custom mode with Normal.

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I did mine with THX Cinema in warm in the service mode and then did Custom mode with Normal.

There ya go what do you THX Cinema for specifically ?

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There ya go what do you THX Cinema for specifically ?

I don't, it was for fun. smile.gif

Thx cinema only is 28fl and I'd rather use Custom around 38. I'm gonna see if I can get the advanced color as good as thx mode tonight using 75/75. The thx color is really close.

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It can be done what's the avg color de in thx?

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Not sure. I'd have to look again. I'll check tonight, was planning on several hours with it.

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I would like to know the best settings for getting a VT60 as bright as possible without clipping the whites. I would think many of the settings are the same between the VT50 and VT60. Comparing the VT60 to even my Kuro it looks rather dull and I had panel brightness on high, and contrast too.. My Kuro is on ISF Day mode settings and looks good even in the day without clipping white levels.

Any settings I could use to audition a VT60 that would give me a nice bright picture? Are there any modes such as ISF day/night that I would help with this, once bought?

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I would like to know the best settings for getting a VT60 as bright as possible without clipping the whites. I would think many of the settings are the same between the VT50 and VT60. Comparing the VT60 to even my Kuro it looks rather dull and I had panel brightness on high, and contrast too.. My Kuro is on ISF Day mode settings and looks good even in the day without clipping white levels.

Any settings I could use to audition a VT60 that would give me a nice bright picture? Are there any modes such as ISF day/night that I would help with this, once bought?

Sounds like gamma is off if you think it looks dull despite max contrast and panel brightness on high. Should be easy to experiment with the gamma setting. Which setting are you using? How did THX Bright Room look?

I don't think the settings are the same between the VT50 and VT60. Heck--I don't think they are even identical between the 55VT50 and the 65VT50, and there are slight panel variations within the same sized VT50's.
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Why would anybody use "service mode/menu" for any settings when you have a VT50 with custom mode and ISF modes and the fairly complete standard calibration settings that are in the VT50?

I would think the last thing anybody would want to do is use service mode/menu to change any settings.

btw, i am talking about North American VT50's.

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Because thx mode has extremely accurate color, which carries over the thx 3d. It also has a pretty flat 2.3 gamma. dE gray scale result was under 2. Why not have more than one mode to use? Think outside the box!

One would ask why you felt the need for a color cube cal on a vt50 when several pros disagree with the need. We won't go there though.

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You are missing my point, and that is do not use the service menu to calibrate.

If you want to play with a locked mode like THX then use something like a Radiance and run a 125 point LUT or a color box and run a large LUT. I only suggest something like the above because it is not changing any internal settings in a VT50.

There is no way anybody can disagree that a large LUT profile for are VT50's will not improve the PQ if done correctly. Of-course this is saying that they have the equipment and a clue how to do a large LUT calibration.

The one calibrator (that you may think disagreed) when asked if he/she had done any LUT profiles, the reply was just once using a Radiance and a 125 LUT. And imo if done right a 125 LUT/Radiance should have shown an improvement in PQ, but I am talking about large LUT's not entry level LUT's.

Also I am not saying I don't have a lot more to learn about a LUT calibration, all I am saying is I do have a clue about this type of calibration and how it compares to a well done standard 6 piont/10 point calibration. Plus because of how new the LUT type of calibration is for home use, the calibration software is still imo somewhat in a beta stage.
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