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post #31 of 45 Old 09-18-2012, 12:18 PM
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I'm debating this decision right now. I have a samsung 51" and have really bad glare issues with it in my living room. Covering the huge window is not really an option so it seems the ST is a better choice. My only concern is the filter on the ST50. Does it, in any way, change the picture quality (brightness, clarity, etc) compared to the UT50? I loved my P50ST30 that I had and the picture was outstanding and did not have issues with glare on that tv.

Get the ST, the glare will be a problem for you. We have a 50UT50 and also a bay window across from the TV (that doesn't really get direct sun) and if you sit on a chair with the window in line with the TV, you will see reflections with the blinds up. Blinds down/some lamps on in the room is fine as long as they are not directly in line with the TV.

My friend has a 50ST50 and the glare is significantly reduced (he has an even worse lighting/window situation than me).

For me it was a budget issue, I didn't want to spend 33% more ($899 vs $1199 here in Canada).
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Im stuck in the same situation.....cant decide....

Was set to buy a 50 inch ST50.....waiting for the price drop....and it did drop here in Canada a few hundred....but then FS had the 55 inch UT50 ...a few hundred cheaper then the sale priced st50

Im having a hard time deciding.....afraid of sunlight...... I suppose I can just buy the Ut50 and bring it home for 30 days to test it out and see how the reflection is from sunlight.

I suppose the PQ is the same in both models......

Has anyone here had a chance to test both at home? If so....other then the reflection .....was everything else equal?

but then again 5 inches bigger ....makes a difference smile.gif

Sorry for the ramble......
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I've also been trying to decide between the two. There is also one thing you should know to consider that many don't mention. Here's the a quick summary:

1 - Viewing the ST50 at eye level in a bright room, its clearly a better picture than the UT50. Its louvre filter is very effective.
2- Viewing the ST50 off-axis ABOVE or BELOW eye level, its picture begins to dim and gets much worse at a severe angle. This is a by-product of the louvre filter. The picture is fine at all horizontal viewing angles. The UT50's picture is consistent at ALL angles.
3 - So - if you will have the TV mounted high, or you casually lay on the floor and watch TV, you may be troubled by a darkening of the ST50's screen. If you can't control light well, the UT50's excellent picture is negated somewhat by screen washout.

In my case, the TV's for the basement and movie watching. I can control light well and tend to lay on the floor, so I'm leaning toward the the UT50. In controlled lighting situations, its as good as the ST50 to most eyes. I would lean toward the ST50 if its screen didn't dim off-angle vertically, but unfortunately that's not reality. Maybe they'll tweak the louvre filter for 2013!
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What bothers me in ST50 vs UT50, is that back panel on ST50 is sooo much hotter in ST50. Checked in a few stores, same.
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What bothers me in ST50 vs UT50, is that back panel on ST50 is sooo much hotter in ST50. Checked in a few stores, same.

What were the respective settings of the sets, I have never had a heat issue with any Panasonic plasma, to me it seems the Samsungs run hotter but most folks havent had an issue with them either.

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What bothers me in ST50 vs UT50, is that back panel on ST50 is sooo much hotter in ST50. Checked in a few stores, same.

That's odd because the UT50 has the exact same average wattage draw rating as the ST50 so both should be the same temperature if they're both using the same picture settings.

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have a 60UT50 and I compared the UT and the ST models side by side. You will not pick out which is better by eye. The picture is fantastic. If you need the filter because of ambient light then so be it but the picture quality is equal between the two. Don't let anyone tell you differently. In a controlled room the UT is equal(they have the same screen). I was about to buy an ST but I went with the UT because I had no need the wifi or the browser. Have fun and enjoy your new TV. Oh and the UT does not have a swivel base.
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To videophiles and calibrators, the only real difference as far as PQ is concerned, is the fact that the ST50 has a gamma control slider and the Pro settings can be adjusted in the user menu, whereas the UT50 has to be calibrated in the service menu. The UT50 and ST50 have a slightly low gamma in their best picture preset mode, but the ST50 can obviously fix that with the gamma slider. The UT50 has essentially no way of adjusting the gamma.

To most people, other than screen filter, they are pretty much the same.
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So, suffice to say that if I was considering between the two for predominantly gaming purposes, in a room with controlled lighting, and I care reasonably about picture quality but not enough to get the TV calibrated (yes, I hear you all gasping), I should just save some money and go for the UT50?
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That's exactly what I recommend you to do.
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So, suffice to say that if I was considering between the two for predominantly gaming purposes, in a room with controlled lighting, and I care reasonably about picture quality but not enough to get the TV calibrated (yes, I hear you all gasping), I should just save some money and go for the UT50?

Yes.

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Awesome, thanks folks!

One last thing: can anyone comment on the input latency? I've done some searching and it seems like there's two sets of measurements: one that claims ~16ms, and one that claims ~45ms.

(I'm currently using a JVC HD56FC97 (LCoS set)...and I have no idea what the measured input latency is for it, but I've never noticed it being an issue)
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The GT/VT series has the higher input latency. You should be fine with the UT50. I game with mine and it's among the fastest of any plasma.
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Hey guys!
Same problem here! Can't decide between the ST50 or the UT50. I'm now having a TX-P42PX80 720p TV and i want to get a better picture with my new tv. I can controll my lighting a will be watching movies only at night so the reflection isn't a problem nor the 2 HDMIs, my only concern is the picture quality and the 3D difference. I'm a bit audiophilic biggrin.gif I want a better image whit the new TV than my old. Ohh and the ST50 costs a lot more than th UT50. If i go for the UT50 i can get it in 2 moths. If i go for the ST50 i will have to wait a half a year or so.
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Is there any information on the input lag between the UT50 vs ST50?

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