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Many threads have indicated that "Burn In" is all but impossible anymore on Plasma TVs. Bad IR can be common, especially from gaming, but it should be able to be removed over time.
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does anyone else have vertical bars/lines running on the right hand side of their set that they can see when a solid moving background is playing? I never watch 4:3 tv and am not sure where they come from. Another poster in this thread or another posted about seeing these lines in multiple UT series sets, trying to determine if anyone else has them.
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I have 4-5 vertical bars on my UT50, mostly on the left side and toward the middle. They are not visible during normal content but if the scene has a shot of a gray sky or something solid you can make them out. Annoying but normal it seems.






I just re-entered Anikun's latest settings(page 29) and I must say they look fantastic. The reddish blacks are gone and content just seems to pop.

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I do notice them when there is a lot of sky in the picture, I think it is just endemic to this set, they are very faint, but I do see them from time to time.
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Hey guys, I have a few questions that I'm hoping you could help me out with. I just got the ut50 and have been lurking on the forums for a while. These are the questions I have:

1) Can the recommended settings at the beginning of the thread be used for a tv that hasn't been adjusted in the service menu or are there better options?

2)If I was to enter the service menu, what are the possible things that can go wrong? A completely busted tv or is it only a risk to picture quality if I fail to record the default settings?

3)When people talk about clicks in order to get the proper settings, what does that mean? Left, right, up, or down? I just want to make sure I have a handle on what it means if I venture into the service menu.

4)As far as Anikun's calibration on page 29, is that for cimema mode or custom? Also, is it for warm color temps?

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I suggest using my settings (does that make me biased?tongue.gif). You don't have to change the service menu settings if you don't want to. From posts that I've read, you could more or less brick the TV. If you just follow the directions of how to access and move around the service menu, then you'll be fine. Just take care to make sure you press the buttons on the remote that you think you're pressing. The number of clicks is simply changing the RGB values up/higher or down/lower. My settings should say what color temp they are editing. For Cinema Mode I edited Warm, for Custom I edited Normal, and for 3D I edited Cool. If you don't want to access the service menu, then the best thing you can do to adjust brightness and contrast is to download the AVS 709 disc and play it back in your BD. Use the basic settings patterns to set them. That's the most accurate way to set those rather than using someone else's settings, but they should be fairly close. After adjusting RGB values in the SM, brightness and contrast will have to be adjusted to reflect those changes. So if you don't access the SM then you'll have to go far back to early in this thread to see what white balance calibration settings are, but I think something with brightness around 48 and contrast around 87 should be good. And for out of the box, I don't recommend a contrast above 80-85 if you're going to have static images on the screen (TV station watermarks, game HUDs). Once the TVs broken in you can increase it to 85-90.
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Thanks for the thorough response Anikun. Can anyone chime in about what type of changes made in the service menu can result in a busted tv? I would just like to get an idea so that I can steer clear of the settings which might cause damage.
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I couldn't tell you on that. But if you just adjust the RGB Cuts and Gains you'll be just fine. smile.gif Remember, once in the SM, 1 and 2 move across main menus. After you get to the RGB menu, 3 and 4 change which R/G/B Cut/Gain you're changing. The other options for which color temp and Picture mode are listed in the menu as well.
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Thanks for the thorough response Anikun. Can anyone chime in about what type of changes made in the service menu can result in a busted tv? I would just like to get an idea so that I can steer clear of the settings which might cause damage.

Hopefully you will never find out, as Anikun says follow the intructions for adjusting rgb to the letter don't venture into any other screens change anything else and you should be fine. I think Panasonics are harder to brick than Samsungs in the service menu but still be careful.

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Anikun, right now with your settings (not the SM settings), I have overly green skin tones. Is this kind of a dead giveaway that I have to enter the service menu?

Just to be sure the settings are:

warm 2
cinema
high 80's contrast
48 brightness
48 color
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As long as it's not the source or Yoda, then probably.
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Hi all,
I'm a proud owner of the european version (TX-P50UT50E) and have recently gotten myself a Colormunki Display colorimeter. Calibration so far has gone pretty well apart from one problem:

As you can see, deltaE is under 3 everywhere but <30. The colors go crazy especially at 10% and I can't seem to get them under control.

Has any of you had the same problem and can point me in the right direction?
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That's a common issue, and not necessarily a problem with the TV. Most likely the meter can't detect the light well because it's so dark. The graph looks like your dEs are fine down to 10% which is normal. Really anything under 30% can be a toss up. With my I1 Display Pro, I could read 20% all right, but 10% wasn't reliable. I think it looks good.
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That's a common issue, and not necessarily a problem with the TV. Most likely the meter can't detect the light well because it's so dark. The graph looks like your dEs are fine down to 10% which is normal. Really anything under 30% can be a toss up. With my I1 Display Pro, I could read 20% all right, but 10% wasn't reliable. I think it looks good.

Thanks, but it's definitely not just the meter. Everything from 0% to ~10% looks very red. You can especially see it in the black clipping patterns from the AVS 709 disc.
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My first few calibrations were like that too. Keep at it and you'll get it sorted out. smile.gif
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Just got the TC-P50UT50 a few days ago from Costco for $599.97. The out-of-the-box picture was very disappointing so I came here to see what can be done.
I used Anikun07's settings for the Custom 2D mode and the picture improved dramatically.
BUT it doesn't seem to be there yet.
The whites are not pure white, more like a sort of very-faint-gray white, not the pure-as-snow white that I have in my other plasma, a 4 year old 2D LG 50PS11.
Also, the pinkish-red of the LG appears more like purplish red in the UT50.
I changed one of the Anikun07's settings of Color Temp from Normal to Cool1 and Cool2 and the white improves quite a bit but it still is not as good as the LG.

I understand that the UT50 should be broken-in for a few weeks at least, and also that there are additional settings in the Service Menu.
I got into the SM but did not want to change anything... yet, at least not until the unit is broken-in.

When using the Vivid factory mode, the white is much better but there is still a very slight hint of "grayness", it's just not pure white. There is NO improvement in the red. Also in the factory Vivid the flesh tones are just not right, but the picture is very nice in a show like PBS' Nature.

Now, is there a setting in the SM that will give pure white in the Custom 2D mode above (and also in other modes), and/or correct the red issue?
I just want the UT50 to give a great picture just like the LG, or as close as it gets!
I also have the DVE - Digital Video Essentials HD Basics Blu-ray that I may use after the UT50 is broken-in.
I do not have the AVS HD 709, yet.

The LG is also a value plasma, it was $699 four years ago, but it has more settings to play with. It also has ISF Expert modes.
The settings in the LG are in Vivid Mode and the picture seems to have a 3D depth, it's a great picture in flesh tones, in nature programs, movies, concerts, etc:

Contrast: 70
Brightness: 60
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 65
Color Temp: Medium
Dynamic Contrast: High
Dynamic Color: High
Noise Reduction: Medium
Gamma: High
Black Level: Auto
Film Mode: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
Edge Enhancer: On
No SM fooling around.

I've read the beginning and the end of this long thread so far and intend to read more... but it's pretty long!
Any insights on how to correct the white and red issues described above are much appreciated.
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After some work I've finally got pretty good settings for my P50UT50E (European version):





All measurements were taken with my Colormunki Display and the 4% APL patterns from Mascior's disc.

As there is an acute shortage of settings for European models in this thread, here are my settings:

True Cinema
Contrast 50
Brightness +1
Colour 27
Sharpness 3
White Balance:
R-Gain: -6
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 5
R-Cutoff: 6
G-Cutoff: -4
B-Cutoff: -2

Color Management:
-3 11 0 2 10 2 0 -3 5

Gamma: 2.4

CMS are said to not really translate from model to model, and as I changed the the hue and saturation for green pretty heavily, it's questionable if that part will work for you as well.

Feedback as well as tips on how to achieve a better gamma are much appreciated.
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On the US models, the only way to change gamma is to change the picture mode. Gamma is fixed on each mode, but 2.4 is good. The RGB cuts and gains can smooth it, but can't really change it.
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I decided to give the service menu a shot and was successful except for the fact that I changed the white balance method on accident...I believe they were numbered 00-04. Can someone let me know what the correct setting (or factory setting) of this is. Thanks!
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Can someone confirm the huge amount of flickering that is going on especially in very bright panning shots? The Art of Flight would be a very good example of this. With 24p smoothing turned off, everything is very smooth and good looking, except for bright areas, where heavy flickering going on. This disappears with smoothing turned up to "mid", but so does the "filmish" look. Should I have my panel checked out, or is this a general UT50 problem?
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good info,Switched back to Normal but kept my settings pretty close to PoN's . thanks lJNb
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I decided to give the service menu a shot and was successful except for the fact that I changed the white balance method on accident...I believe they were numbered 00-04. Can someone let me know what the correct setting (or factory setting) of this is. Thanks!

I don't know what it does, but I think default is 00.
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Can someone confirm the huge amount of flickering that is going on especially in very bright panning shots? The Art of Flight would be a very good example of this. With 24p smoothing turned off, everything is very smooth and good looking, except for bright areas, where heavy flickering going on. This disappears with smoothing turned up to "mid", but so does the "filmish" look. Should I have my panel checked out, or is this a general UT50 problem?

What picture mode are you using, are you set at 60 Hz?
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What picture mode are you using, are you set at 60 Hz?
True Cinema and the input is 24p from my bluray player or computer respectively. If you meant something other than that by 60Hz I don't have the option to change anything related to that on my TV. The only option I have is '24p smoothing' (off/low/middle/high).
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Interesting. On the US model there is a 3:2 pulldown option to switch between 48 Hz and 60 Hz. 48 always looks like it's flickering and 60 seems "normal." Maybe try a different picture mode. Is there a non "True" cinema picture mode setting?
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So I tried Anikun's service menu settings and I'm still having a problem with greenish skin tones. Has anyone else had a similar problem or could the tv be defective?
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If you know your source is good, then you can try increasing red and blue to balance the green, or decrease green. Check if your low end blacks have a color tint, but prpbably try the gains, not the cuts. Write down your settings beforehand so you know what to set them back to. This should let you get an idea of if you have a bad green tint. What color temp did you use? If you used my setting for warm or normal you should have a decently balance set, if your defaults were similar to mine.
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So I tried Anikun's service menu settings and I'm still having a problem with greenish skin tones. Has anyone else had a similar problem or could the tv be defective?


Would someone be kind enough to point me to the post with Anikun's service menu settings and perhaps comment on my post #1368 above regarding the white color issue?
Thank you!
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