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I am finally ready to pull the trigger on my new tv..
I have been not watching the forums for long time so i need your quick advice.
I was planning to go with: Panasonic tc-p50-gt50
Is it worth investing extra money for VT?
Or maybe there is better tv brand?
I mostly care about blacks and smooth motion.

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I am finally ready to pull the trigger on my new tv..
I have been not watching the forums for long time so i need your quick advice.
I was planning to go with: Panasonic tc-p50-gt50
Is it worth investing extra money for VT?
Or maybe there is better tv brand?
I mostly care about blacks and smooth motion.
thx

If you, "mostly care about blacks and smooth motion", you might be better served with an ST50. Blacks awfully good, rivals that of the VT50, and smooth motion.

The VT50 can be more finely tuned for a little better color accuracy and gamma/grayscale, but the ST50 satisfies many.

The money you save can be used for a pro calibration, or additional componants.

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you mentioned ST but how about GT?
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A calibrated ST removes any reason to own a GT. All you really get in the GT are a different outer design and THX modes, which would not be needed after calibration. Picture quality is the same.

I was looking at the VT, but the ST is such a great value I went and got the 65" one. I don't regret it one bit.
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A calibrated ST will look better than the VT out of the box. So, if you cannot afford to get the VT and calibrate it, get the ST. The price is just TOO good. Although, the design of the VT (I think) is a lot better and adds to my viewing experience.

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how much did you pay for calibration?
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how much did you pay for calibration?

I do it myself. I think the going rate is $300-$400 these days

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you did the calibration through service menu or just regular menu?
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i see gt has below extra features:

Pure Image Creation
1,080p Pure Direct
24,576 Equivalent Steps of Gradation

Multitasking
Vga input
more hdmi and usb ports

do any of first 3 really make any difference in quality?
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i see gt has below extra features:
Pure Image Creation
1,080p Pure Direct
24,576 Equivalent Steps of Gradation
Multitasking
Vga input
more hdmi and usb ports
do any of first 3 really make any difference in quality?

According to expert calibrator reviews, those features don't make any noticeable difference in picture quality, so they recommend the ST50 as a better value.
Unless you need an extra HDMI port (4 vs 3) or the dual core CPU for faster internet apps, the ST50 is recommended.
For the price of the 50" GT50 you could buy a 55" ST50 for example, or pocket a few hundred in savings.
Posted pro settings for the ST50 custom mode are available for excellent picture quality.
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do you mind if i ask where are those settings posted?
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do you mind if i ask where are those settings posted?

They're not posted on AVS. See the 2nd post in the Official ST50 thread for more info . . . .

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They're not posted on AVS. See the 2nd post in the Official ST50 thread for more info . . . .

Randy, I think i saw a post that you purchased the Gt version? Why did you pick it over ST?
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Randy, I think i saw a post that you purchased the GT version? Why did you pick it over ST?

1. I don't like the design of the ST50's bezel, and that clear fence thing surrounding the ST50 looks too cheap/Samsungy and it also refracts light from behind when the TV is located in front of a window. I found it very distracting when auditoning the TV at Fry's while looking at it from different angles with a light source behind the TV.

2. I like the thinner bezel design on the GT50.

3. I also wanted that extra HDMI input for a possible future Blu-Ray player.

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Randy brings up a good point. I prefer the design of the VT over the ST. I think the glass over bezel design actually adds to the PQ (pop sort of) during daytime viewing.

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1. I don't like the design of the ST50's bezel, and that clear fence thing surrounding the ST50 looks too cheap/Samsungy and it also refracts light from behind when the TV is located in front of a window. I found it very distracting when auditoning the TV at Fry's while looking at it from different angles with a light source behind the TV.
2. I like the thinner bezel design on the GT50.
3. I also wanted that extra HDMI input for a possible future Blu-Ray player.

thats what I though, i also like the design of gt better smile.gif

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In terms of image quality, (not interested in "smart features", etc) how much better is a calibrated VT vs a calibrated GT vs a calibrated ST?

From reading the above, my impression is that calibrated GT is equal to a calibrated ST while the calibrated VT is more accurate. Does this mean that I should really be deciding between a calibrated ST vs calibrated VT? (value vs performance?)

Or alternately, should I consider a Samsung/other brand?
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In terms of image quality, (not interested in "smart features", etc) how much better is a calibrated VT vs a calibrated GT vs a calibrated ST?
From reading the above, my impression is that calibrated GT is equal to a calibrated ST while the calibrated VT is more accurate. Does this mean that I should really be deciding between a calibrated ST vs calibrated VT? (value vs performance?)
Or alternately, should I consider a Samsung/other brand?

I'd like to know the same thing. I'm interested in upgrading from my TH-50PZ750U that i purchased back in 08. I've been looking at all three models (VT, GT, ST) and popular opinion seems to be that to the average viewer there is no discernible difference between the ST and VT.
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it seems to me that the choice is:
For picture quality GT and ST are same and if you want something better go with VT
For design VT and GT are much nicer then ST
For price ST wins assuming you will like the design

I need to go to store at take a look if the GT design is really much better then ST.
VT is too expensive and I will need to decide between ST and GT.
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1. I don't like the design of the ST50's bezel, and that clear fence thing surrounding the ST50 looks too cheap/Samsungy and it also refracts light from behind when the TV is located in front of a window. I found it very distracting when auditoning the TV at Fry's while looking at it from different angles with a light source behind the TV.
2. I like the thinner bezel design on the GT50.
3. I also wanted that extra HDMI input for a possible future Blu-Ray player.

I completely agree about the looks of the GT and ST, no way I would be happy with the ST it's just ugly imo. So, I am left with deciding between the 55VT50 vs the 60GT50, performance vs size.

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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Is there another plasma that can support proper 24p playback in 72Hz/96Hz/etc that is cheaper than the VT?

Thanks
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Samsung.

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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I picked the vt for several reasons
1. Design it is big and will be looked at if turned on or off.
2. The tv has better light reflecting than the gt and st as the tv is in a bright room with south and west facing windows.
3. Preset thx for bright room and thx for cinema which gt has.
4. 96hz
5. 24p done properly
6. More calibrating options
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Is there another plasma that can support proper 24p playback in 72Hz/96Hz/etc that is cheaper than the VT?
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Yes Samsung's mid-priced 3D plasmas (E550, E6500, and up) support 96Hz display mode.
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Yes Samsung's mid-priced 3D plasmas (E550, E6500, and up) support 96Hz display mode.

are those Samsungs any good compared to Panasonics? (black levels, performance,etc.)
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are those Samsungs any good compared to Panasonics? (black levels, performance,etc.)

Black levels are not as deep on the Samsung, but according to reviews, after calibration the greyscale and colour reproduction are equal or close to it. At least on the D8000/E8000 anyway.
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i have been thinking too much i pulled the trigger on 55 vt !!!
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