Originally Posted by andy sullivan
Perhaps not, but in the 7 years I've been here I have seen a few mentions of IR and Burn-in but nothing compared to the 2012 models. I know that you are not alone but there are two separate threads devoted to the issue. Naturally I cannot prove or disprove their statements but my question was asked assuming that they are not all lying. I specifically aimed my question your way because I consider you to be the most knowledgeable regarding Panasonic TV's. If you say that Panasonic does not consider IR or burn-in more unusual in the 2012 models than that's good enough for me. Because of your inside knowledge with Panasonic I know that you would be aware of any inherent concerns.
Andy, I'm not speaking for Panasonic in this case and I didn't go to CEDIA so I didn't even get a chance to ask across a sub-segment of industry folk.
I will say this: I have heard nothing from any
sources anywhere about a growing problem in 2012. It's pretty clear from here that some people do, in fact, have some kind of problem. It's not at all clear to me that there's a defect rate causing it, user behavior causing it, or any combination thereof. I simply can't say because I simply don't know.
What I do know is that I'm watching 2:35:1, 4:3, running menus from the Viera stuff, PS3, Xbox 360, Apple TV, the TV menus, DirecTV DVR, and not ever seeing anything even retained briefly. I'm sometimes leaving the guide up for many minutes to chat with my wife, help cook dinner, be generally neglectful. I hit pause a lot on the DVR and the screen saver doesn't kick in very quickly. We've been enjoying HBO GO all summer and those menus tend to linger for a while since the UI is slow to deal with on Xbox, it's fun to play with Kinect, etc. etc. Still nothing.
I checked around some with guys I know in retail and they have nothing to report by way of unusual amounts of image retention. I checked the demo units at my local stores and they resemble mine.
When people start tossing around allegations of burn-in, my ears immediately perk up. I find those claims beyond absurd given modern panel life. You'd have to do some serious work to get a permanent image burn. I think Michael 2000 does a good job of describing some of these things as "stubborn image retention". Now, why are some people seeing this and many of us are not seeing even the vaguest hint of image retention at all
? That's a good question. A lot of these reports come without mention of settings or do mention tweaking things in ways I'd call a bit odd. I run out of the box THX Cinema and THX Bright Room until my winter-time calibration. A lot of these reports mention menu items being burned in, which makes me wonder just how long those menus were up. Was it overnight and we're just not being given the truth? Because, well, perhaps, that could take weeks to work itself out. I'm not saying it should, but perhaps it does.
I can unequivocally say that I run things like the DirecTV DVR guide for many minutes a day right now (DVR programming for the fall season coupled with a DVR replacement due to DirecTV issues) and can never detect any evidence of any part of it being retained. It's the "menu" I run the most and it runs every day. I therefore find the idea of a design flaw easy to rule out. I find the chance of a defect rate unlikely but plausible. It would be helpful to fully understand the user behavior, however, before drawing any conclusions. I also will wonder "aloud" here whether white screens are really the best bet to clear up any of these "stubborn" problems. Maybe running regular content that causes all the pixels to cycle randomly is a better bet?