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Old 12-13-2012, 04:55 PM - Thread Starter
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So, I'm looking at buying a new TV, and while browsing i came across what looks to be a solid deal on a 50" Pioneer Elite (101FD). I'm just wondering if the pioneer is a good buy at $1000 (brand new), and if there is any TV currently on the market that would have better PQ than this model, since it is getting a bit old now. I'm hearing good things about the Panasonic plasmas, and if they're better than the Kuro then I would gladly shell out the extra cash to buy that.
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I'm just wondering if the pioneer is a good buy at $1000 (brand new)

Yes. If 50" is large enough for you, then buy it. I would.
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If you can go a few hundred more you can probably find a used 111fd and get 9g blacks and pic quality. Are you saying the tv is new?
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Wow! If someone is selling a brand new 101 for a grand, I would not hesitate at all if it looks like a legit deal.
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Hmm, I was under the impression that the 111FD was the same TV with speakers, a stand, and some other features... is the PQ really that much better that I should look for one of those -- and a few hundred dollars more, where??? And yes, brand new in box.

Also, yes the deal is legit, this is from an authorized dealer
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Hmm, I was under the impression that the 111FD was the same TV with speakers, a stand, and some other features... is the PQ really that much better that I should look for one of those -- and a few hundred dollars more, where??? And yes, brand new in box.
Also, yes the deal is legit, this is from an authorized dealer

BEST TV EVER MADE.

Half the black level of the 111FD

BUY IT

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Hmm, I was under the impression that the 111FD was the same TV with speakers, a stand, and some other features... is the PQ really that much better that I should look for one of those -- and a few hundred dollars more, where??? And yes, brand new in box.
Also, yes the deal is legit, this is from an authorized dealer

Go for it or someone else will! The pro 101 and the krp 500m are the identical in performance and the two best displays pioneer released to the market.
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Right, its settled then, I'll try and pick this up tomorrow biggrin.gif. Thanks for the input guys
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Right, its settled then, I'll try and pick this up tomorrow biggrin.gif. Thanks for the input guys

Great choice! Post impressions once you get it set up and running.
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Ah, you're right. I was thinking the 101 was the 8g. I have the 111fd...maybe the best tv ever made for picture quality.
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Where are you buying the TV from? Are there more? I would love a 101 or 500m.

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yes, do tell where you are getting this TV, i am close to buying a used 950HD, but willing to shell out some extra bucks on this set.

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If you can go a few hundred more you can probably find a used 111fd and get 9g blacks and pic quality. Are you saying the tv is new?
This is incorrect. The pro 101fd and the KPR 500m have the same "9.5g" tech in them, making them the blackest kuros ever produced. I owned a 111fd and it had noticeably lighter black levels in certain scenes vs the pro 101fd.

To the OP. If you can buy this tv for 1k, consider yourself extremely lucky. I still have mine running strong from 2009 and I just recently bought a Panasonic zt60. The pioneer still delivers a superior picture (imo). But that's because the panny isn't yet calibrated.

Best plasma ever made hands down! You can game on in with negligible input lag, and it handles image retention like a champ.

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This is incorrect. The pro 101fd and the KPR 500m have the same "9.5g" tech in them, making them the blackest kuros ever produced. I owned a 111fd and it had noticeably lighter black levels in certain scenes vs the pro 101fd.

To the OP. If you can buy this tv for 1k, consider yourself extremely lucky. I still have mine running strong from 2009 and I just recently bought a Panasonic zt60. The pioneer still delivers a superior picture (imo). But that's because the panny isn't yet calibrated.

Best plasma ever made hands down! You can game on in with negligible input lag, and it handles image retention like a champ.

GET IT!!!
Can you tell me the source for your claim that all 101fd's and all KPR 500m's have 10G tech in them? Why would they put 10G tech in all 9G 101fds and KRP 500Ms?

btw you are responding to a 2012 post..
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BEST TV EVER MADE.
Half the black level of the 111FDBUY IT
Better than the 8500 or Panny ZT's ???
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Better than the 8500 or Panny ZT's ???
Speaking purely of picture quality, yes...especially when "tweaked".
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Can you tell me the source for your claim that all 101fd's and all KPR 500m's have 10G tech in them? Why would they put 10G tech in all 9G 101fds and KRP 500Ms?

btw you are responding to a 2012 post..
If memory serves, the 101FDs and 500Ms were produced on a newer assembly line than the previous models. I don't think they actually had "10G tech" in them, it was more a matter of improvements in the manufacturing processes. The sources were generally folks posting second-hand information that originated from Pioneer engineers. It's been a few years since it was heavily discussed here.


Whatever the reasons, they had by far the lowest MLL of any Pioneer plasma.
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If memory serves, the 101FDs and 500Ms were produced on a newer assembly line than the previous models. I don't think they actually had "10G tech" in them, it was more a matter of improvements in the manufacturing processes. The sources were generally folks posting second-hand information that originated from Pioneer engineers. It's been a few years since it was heavily discussed here.


Whatever the reasons, they had by far the lowest MLL of any Pioneer plasma.
According hdtvtest some of the KPR's might have 10 tech in them. Which could be the case. All of them of course is nonsense.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-...1305283044.htm
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I have a krp-500m and krp-600m . still going strong after 5 years. Best PQ of any plasma. Equal to samsung f8500 and panasonic vt/zt 60.
Buy the pro 101 if size is not a issue
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According hdtvtest some of the KPR's might have 10 tech in them. Which could be the case. All of them of course is nonsense.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-...1305283044.htm

I have no idea how it works for the European models.


All KRP-500Ms and PRO-101FDs, however, perform and measure equally, which amounts to a factory MLL of about .0005fL. There are no "better" batches, they are all the same.
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I have no idea how it works for the European models.


All KRP-500Ms and PRO-101FDs, however, perform and measure equally, which amounts to a factory MLL of about .0005fL. There are no "better" batches, they are all the same.
The article suggests that there are KRPs out there with better blacks without being tweaked in service menu. How do you explain those?
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The article suggests that there are KRPs out there with better blacks without being tweaked in service menu. How do you explain those?

Better blacks meaning what? No factory KRP has ever measured lower than .0005fL to my knowledge. All NA KRP-500Ms and PRO-101FDs will measure around .0005fL from the factory. Again, they are all the same, and you will not find a lower MLL from any factory Pioneer plasma anywhere.


KRPs in Europe are a different animal, but you will still not find any that do better that .0005fL without some sort of tweaking. That article says nothing to the contrary.
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Speaking purely of picture quality, yes...especially when "tweaked".
And then you've pretty much got an OLED- only with better color, gamma, and grayscale

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The article suggests that there are KRPs out there with better blacks without being tweaked in service menu. How do you explain those?
Seems you're confused. The 101 and 500m have blacks of 0.0005. All other kuros blacks are 0.001. So yes compared to the other models it has deeper mll. A tweaked kuro will have a mll even lower, measurable, of 0.0001.

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And then you've pretty much got an OLED- only with better color, gamma, and grayscale
This is why I'm not even thinking about buying an OLED until 70" sizes are available and in 4K.

A non tweaked kuro is already reference. lowering the blacks just makes it even better. My 151 isn't tweaked, but it's good to know I have access to the service menu and know how to make it darker if I need to.

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Better blacks meaning what? No factory KRP has ever measured lower than .0005fL to my knowledge. All NA KRP-500Ms and PRO-101FDs will measure around .0005fL from the factory. Again, they are all the same, and you will not find a lower MLL from any factory Pioneer plasma anywhere.


KRPs in Europe are a different animal, but you will still not find any that do better that .0005fL without some sort of tweaking. That article says nothing to the contrary.
The article clearly states ''I was so astounded by the KRP's black level performance'' ''We've seen a few KRP's in the field and in trade shows, but none performed to this level.'' ''I asked the owner wether it was specially tweaked with voltage or firmware adjustments. The answer was no.''

So A) KRP's black level performance beyond KRP's they have seen before. B) without being specially tweaked.
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Seems you're confused. The 101 and 500m have blacks of 0.0005. All other kuros blacks are 0.001. So yes compared to the other models it has deeper mll. A tweaked kuro will have a mll even lower, measurable, of 0.0001.
I understand that but that is not what my post is about. I repeated what the article claims which is that they encountered a KRP, which was not tweaked, with deeper black levels compared to other KRP's they have seen. And my question is, how can that be?
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No one is saying that all KRPs are the same. There are several models of KRPs. Only the KRP-500M, PRO-101FD and the European 500M equivalent have the better blacks.

You keep saying "KRPs" rather than referring to specific models. The article you keep quoting does not state what models of KRPs that they were comparing their sample to, so it could mean anything.
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