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I use to think LG TVs were one of the lower build quality TVs, but lately I've been reading the opposite.

Does anyone want to help me or redirect me to a thread with information about the best and worst brands? Thanks.
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LGs are a distant 3rd behind Panasonic (by far the best) and Samsung.

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LG's products are generally reliable. I own several, including a couple televisions, and have not had any problems. If anything, I think LG plasmas may actually have the fewest problems. However, the image quality of LG plasma TVs is sub par.

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I agree that Panny and Samsung are the top 2, but I suggest you check out LG for yourself in regards to PQ. I recently gave away my 51 Sammy plasma and purchased an LG 60" plasma (6700 model). The colours are better than the Sammy in my opinion and as far as the blacks go, I can see creases and folds in a black suit, details in shadows, etc etc. I see NO grey where it should be black etc.

Maybe I got lucky with an exceptional set, I dont know, or maybe those hours of tweaking the settings paid off.

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I had the budget lgpa4500 and it had green and purple blobs on a black and white show.none on budget e450 Samsung.the motion is cleaner on Samsung.Those 2 things make a big difference .

The Samsung is defenitely better. I'm surprised there isn't more price difference.The only thing better on lg was it had 10 point adjustments and colorspace custom adjustments.Lg might of had more detail and people looked older on lg.samsung smoother looking.Lg had overblown whites .
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Any of the top four, Samsung, LG, Panasonic, and Sony make excellent sets. But, they can also make some bad ones so there's always going to be a compromise and a bit of a gamble when purchasing. The only sets you really should stay away from is Vizio.
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LG's products are generally reliable. I own several, including a couple televisions, and have not had any problems. If anything, I think LG plasmas may actually have the fewest problems. However, the image quality of LG plasma TVs is sub par.
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I agree that Panny and Samsung are the top 2, but I suggest you check out LG for yourself in regards to PQ. I recently gave away my 51 Sammy plasma and purchased an LG 60" plasma (6700 model). The colours are better than the Sammy in my opinion and as far as the blacks go, I can see creases and folds in a black suit, details in shadows, etc etc. I see NO grey where it should be black etc.
Maybe I got lucky with an exceptional set, I dont know, or maybe those hours of tweaking the settings paid off.

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I had the budget lgpa4500 and it had green and purple blobs on a black and white show.none on budget e450 Samsung.the motion is cleaner on Samsung.Those 2 things make a big difference .
The Samsung is defenitely better. I'm surprised there isn't more price difference.The only thing better on lg was it had 10 point adjustments and colorspace custom adjustments.Lg might of had more detail and people looked older on lg.samsung smoother looking.Lg had overblown whites .

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Any of the top four, Samsung, LG, Panasonic, and Sony make excellent sets. But, they can also make some bad ones so there's always going to be a compromise and a bit of a gamble when purchasing. The only sets you really should stay away from is Vizio.


What's wrong with Vizio? Their LCD-LED's have received some pretty good reviews.



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Whoa, thanks for all the replies and info.

My cousin recently got a 50in Plasma for I think $500 and it's amazing. It was the first plasma I've seen for a very long time. Was blown away at the clarity and levels. I've been a theoretical fan of plasmas long before that, but didn't have much experience with them. Now when I buy a TV, it's plasma or nothing, lol. I actually went with my friend to get his 43in Samsung plasma from best buy the other day for $400. Look very good in the store and reviews seemed positive. Can't wait to go over and see it soon.

Kind of surprised that LG is a good brand now. I thought they use to be pretty bad in terms of TVs. Oh well, good news I suppose. I guess most of the major brands are fine now a days.
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What's wrong with Vizio? Their LCD-LED's have received some pretty good reviews.
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From who? A paid reviewer? A marketing company that makes tv's, abysmal customer support, and a warranty system that would rather replace your set that try to fix whatever is wrong (because the parts are not available) is not what I want to spend my money on. Been there, done that. Sure, there are Vizio owners who love their sets but Vizio's track record of quality production is less than stellar.
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Kind of surprised that LG is a good brand now. I thought they use to be pretty bad in terms of TVs. Oh well, good news I suppose. I guess most of the major brands are fine now a days.

Well, as mentioned, LG does make the worst plasma TVs. But they aren't poorly made from a reliability standpoint; they just don't have great image quality. Historically, their plasmas have higher black levels and more image retention than other plasmas, and they've had some other issues as well. For the most part, LG's LCDs aren't really anything special either.
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Wife made a new friend recently ..She stopped over for a visit,,saw our panny and simply said WOW!
Asked her what she was watching ,,an LG she said.. Jokingly she says"I'm going to have to sell my LG and get a panny after seeing this",,then not so jokingly says ,hmmm,just may have to have the husband over to view yours and seriously think about it
I never seen an LG so my personal input is pointless..All i know is i love our panny smile.gif
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Well, I wouldnt say "war" smile.gif

I fully agree about Panny and Sammy being the top 2 brands, but mindless bashing of LG is just silly IMO. Obviously the other poster got a bad (lower end) set and I got a "good" 6700, so I suppose those 2 anecdotal data points cancel each other out. Once more though, I say to the OP...check them out yourself then make a decision.

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From who? A paid reviewer? A marketing company that makes tv's, abysmal customer support, and a warranty system that would rather replace your set that try to fix whatever is wrong (because the parts are not available) is not what I want to spend my money on. Been there, done that. Sure, there are Vizio owners who love their sets but Vizio's track record of quality production is less than stellar.






I don't believe CNET, Home Theater, S&V or Consumer Reports are paid for their reviews, and although they were favorable, they don't rate customer service (CSI). As far as quality production is concerned, they have been rated as one of the more reliable brands by CR, however, I do admit that for all intents and purposes, I personally prefer Panasonic and Toshiba, in that order.






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No mention of Sharp or (further into obscurity) Toshiba or are we already writing them off as defunct? eek.gif I only ask because someone brought up Sony (at the bottom of my list of TVs to purchase).
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No mention of Sharp or (further into obscurity) Toshiba or are we already writing them off as defunct? eek.gif I only ask because someone brought up Sony (at the bottom of my list of TVs to purchase).


You need to move over to the LCD display forum. Obviously, the main focus here is on manufacturers who produce PDP's.



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I see...so mentioning Sharp and Toshiba elicits a reprimand to move to the right forum, but Sony and Vizio chatter is AOK.
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I don't believe CNET, Home Theater, S&V or Consumer Reports are paid for their reviews, and although they were favorable, they don't rate customer service (CSI). As far as quality production is concerned, they have been rated as one of the more reliable brands by CR, however, I do admit that for all intents and purposes, I personally prefer Panasonic and Toshiba, in that order.
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I don't know. I think some of the professional review sites have reviews that are questionable for whatever reason. I've seen CNET reviews that were very favorable but the user reports here were the opposite. I think the professional reviewers (sites) are a great place to start but I certainly wouldn't use them exclusively for decision making. AVS is where you'll get the real in-home reviews. Besides, I seriously doubt that any mfr is going to pick one of their new sets randomly out of the warehouse and send it off to CNET or where ever for reviewing purposes. And, if the Vizio CS/quality issues reported here are any indication of reliability, then I would suspect the CR reviews. But, every mfr has issues from time to time so I think we basically agree? wink.gif
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I don't know. I think some of the professional review sites have reviews that are questionable for whatever reason. I've seen CNET reviews that were very favorable but the user reports here were the opposite. I think the professional reviewers (sites) are a great place to start but I certainly wouldn't use them exclusively for decision making. AVS is where you'll get the real in-home reviews. Besides, I seriously doubt that any mfr is going to pick one of their new sets randomly out of the warehouse and send it off to CNET or where ever for reviewing purposes. And, if the Vizio CS/quality issues reported here are any indication of reliability, then I would suspect the CR reviews. But, every mfr has issues from time to time so I think we basically agree? wink.gif


As far as being a reliable product, I can't argue with statistics, nor can I can complain about the pq since their better models look pretty good to me, especially in terms of black levels. As far as CSI and other issues, the idea of not supplying parts for certain models, and their problems with warranties, that would steer me away from even considering a Vizio TV.


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From a pure PQ stand point, I would say there is a push between Samsung and Panasonic Plasma's, but when you look at the total package Samsung walks away with it. From a design standpoint the Samsung sets are sexier, the features favor Samsung, and the Smart Hub is very user friendly. Samsung gets my money every time.
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These types of threads are not very helpful since they just capture personal biases and anecdotal experiences. Having bought 2 Samsung HDTVs and 2 Panasonic HDTVs over the years, I would only buy Panny from now on due to better reliability and better customer service, IMO. But that's based on my experience, and others will have had different experiences. In the end, the OP would probably be happy with any of the 3 plasma manufacturers (although most reviews claim Sammy and Panny have better PQ than LG)..
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These types of threads are not very helpful since they just capture personal biases and anecdotal experiences. Having bought 2 Samsung HDTVs and 2 Panasonic HDTVs over the years, I would only buy Panny from now on due to better reliability and better customer service, IMO. But that's based on my experience, and others will have had different experiences. In the end, the OP would probably be happy with any of the 3 plasma manufacturers (although most reviews claim Sammy and Panny have better PQ than LG)..


I agree, but keep in mind that there aren't a lot of reviews of LG plasmas. The last LG 1080p pdp covered by CNET was two and half years ago. Please.



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Well, I wouldnt say "war" smile.gif
I fully agree about Panny and Sammy being the top 2 brands, but mindless bashing of LG is just silly IMO. Obviously the other poster got a bad (lower end) set and I got a "good" 6700, so I suppose those 2 anecdotal data points cancel each other out. Once more though, I say to the OP...check them out yourself then make a decision.

Panasonic and Samsung black levels have dropped significantly over the past couple years, and LG black levels (which were already worse) are still about as high now as they were 2+ years ago. That's a fact. And if you're convinced that you won some kind of lottery and purchased the world's only LG plasma that doesn't have a relatively poor black level, then please measure it for us and let us know what it is. Until then, I'll assume that your LG plasma's MLL is no better than any other LG plasma that has been measured by someone and/or compared directly to Panasonic and Samsung plasmas. Some measurements of 2011 and 2012 1080p plasma MLL listed from worst to best:

2011 LG 50" PZ950 (967 hours) - 0.0399 fL (CNET) - This may have needed recalibration, because that seems pretty high, even for an LG
2011 LG 50" PZ950 - ~0.026 fL (FlatpanelsHD)
2012 LG 60" PM6700 (96 Hz) - 0.0228 fL (Chad B)
2011 LG 50" PZ950 - 0.0219 fL (CNET)
2012 LG 50" PA6500 - >0.0205 fL No measurement, but described as even worse than the 42" 720p PA4500 that was measured at 0.0205 fL (CNET)
2012 Samsung 51" E8000 - ~0.0146 fL (FlatpanelsHD)
2012 LG 60" PM6700 (60 Hz) - 0.014 fL (Chad B)
2012 LG 50" PM670 - ~0.012 fL (AVForums)
2012 LG 60" PM9700 - 0.01 fL (2012 Flat Panel Shootout)
2011 Panasonic 50" ST30 - 0.0094 fL (CNET)
2012 Samsung 60" E8000 (60 Hz) - 0.0089 fL (Chad B)
2011 Samsung 59" D8000 (2040 hours) - 0.0086 fL (CNET)
2011 Panasonic 50" GT30 - 0.0082 fL (CNET)
2011 Samsung 59" D7000 (1623 hours) - 0.0079 fL (CNET)
2012 Samsung 60" E8000 (96 Hz) - 0.0073 fL (Chad B)
2011 Samsung 59" D8000 - 0.0071 fL (CNET)
2011 Panasonic 55" VT30 (2201 hours) - 0.0068 fL (CNET)
2011 Panasonic 50" ST30 (2920 hours) - 0.0066 fL (CNET)
2011 Panasonic 55" VT30 - 0.0062 fL (CNET)
2011 Samsung 59" D7000 - 0.0061 fL (CNET)
2011 Panasonic 50" GT30 (2635 hours) - 0.006 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic GT50 - 0.0053 fL (Chad B)
2012 Panasonic 55" GT50 - 0.0051 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic 55" ST50 - 0.005 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic ST50 - 0.0049 fL (D-Nice)
2012 Panasonic ST50 - 0.0049 fL (Chad B)
2012 Samsung 60" E8000 - 0.0045 fL (CNET)
2012 Samsung 60" E6500 - 0.0044 fL (CNET)
2012 Samsung 64" E8000 - 0.004 fL (2012 Flat Panel Shootout)
2012 Panasonic 50" UT50 - 0.0037 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic 50" U50 - 0.0031 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic ST50 (268 hours) - 0.0028 fL (D-Nice)
2012 Panasonic 65" VT50 (60 Hz) - 0.0025 fL (Chad B)
2012 Panasonic 65" VT50 - 0.0024 fL (CNET)
2012 Panasonic 65" VT50 (96 Hz) - 0.002 fL (Chad B)
2012 Panasonic 65" VT50 - 0.002 fL (2012 Flat Panel Shootout)

With the improvements that have been made to Panasonic and Samsung plasmas, the black level of LG plasmas is now as much as 10 times higher than the competition. And let's not pretend that LG is making up for poor MLL in other areas, because that really just isn't true. Chad B measured LG's 2012 flagship 60PM9700 at only 9.5 fL with a full white field. That is extremely low. For comparison, he measured a G50 at 20.5 fL. That means that the 9700 would be very dim when ABL is in high gear, even in comparison to other plasma TVs. The same flagship LG model was also judged to have the worst color accuracy of the three plasmas tested at the 2012 Flat Panel Shootout. LG's plasma TVs just aren't very good.

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but keep in mind that there aren't a lot of reviews of LG plasmas.

That's because there is more interest from professionals in reviewing good products than bad products, and there is more progress being made by Panasonic and Samsung than there is by LG. It's the same reason why you see huge threads full of people anticipating the release of Panasonic's 2103 plasmas but no one is buzzing about LG's 2013 plasmas -- no one cares about upcoming LG plasmas, because we know they won't be any good. Also, do you think that LG -- which does reference CNET reviews on their website when the receive a favorable review -- has any motivation to send one of their crappy plasmas over to CNET for a review? Bad movies sometimes don't have early critic screenings, because the studios know that bad reviews are only going to hurt them at the box office. Reviews by CNET or others sites can only hurt LG's plasma sales, because LG's plasmas aren't going to receive glowing reviews.

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The last LG 1080p pdp covered by CNET was two and half years ago. Please.

That is incorrect. CNET reviewed the 1080p LG PZ950 in 2011, saying "the LG PZ950 series can't match the excellent picture quality of other plasmas in its price range." And more recently, they reviewed the 2012 1080p LG PA6500, saying that the "decent plasma" is "not the best value at this level."

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Panasonic and Samsung black levels have dropped significantly over the past couple years, and LG black levels (which were already worse) are still about as high now as they were 2+ years ago. That's a fact. And if you're convinced that you won some kind of lottery and purchased the world's only LG plasma that doesn't have a relatively poor black level, then please measure it for us and let us know what it is. Until then, I'll assume that your LG plasma's MLL is no better than any other LG plasma that has been measured by someone and/or compared directly to Panasonic and Samsung plasmas.
With the improvements that have been made to Panasonic and Samsung plasmas, the black level of LG plasmas is now as much as 10 times higher than the competition. And let's not pretend that LG is making up for poor MLL in other areas, because that really just isn't true. Chad B measured LG's 2012 flagship 60PM9700 at only 9.5 fL with a full white field. That is extremely low. For comparison, he measured a G50 at 20.5 fL. That means that the 9700 would be very dim when ABL is in high gear, even in comparison to other plasma TVs. The same flagship LG model was also judged to have the worst color accuracy of the three plasmas tested at the 2012 Flat Panel Shootout. LG's plasma TVs just aren't very good.
That's because there is more interest from professionals in reviewing good products than bad products, and there is more progress being made by Panasonic and Samsung than there is by LG. It's the same reason why you see huge threads full of people anticipating the release of Panasonic's 2103 plasmas but no one is buzzing about LG's 2013 plasmas -- no one cares about upcoming LG plasmas, because we know they won't be any good. Also, do you think that LG -- which does reference CNET reviews on their website when the receive a favorable review -- has any motivation to send one of their crappy plasmas over to CNET for a review? Bad movies sometimes don't have early critic screenings, because the studios know that bad reviews are only going to hurt them at the box office. Reviews by CNET or others sites can only hurt LG's plasma sales, because LG's plasmas aren't going to receive glowing reviews.
That is incorrect. CNET reviewed the 1080p LG PZ950 in 2011, saying "the LG PZ950 series can't match the excellent picture quality of other plasmas in its price range." And more recently, they reviewed the 2012 1080p LG PA6500, saying that the "decent plasma" is "not the best value at this level."
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Thank you for sharing ALL these figures and reasoning, but for many consumers, including members here on this board that own LG's, when it comes to value verses performance, it doesn't prove that LG plasmas are necessarily bad TVs. At least not the ones that I or CR have seen, and what's important is how they look to me.

As far as CNET is concerned, they don't seem to show the reviews you are alluding to on their LG product review search link: http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/?filter=1000036_5316577_#filter=1000036_5316577_500959_127657 eek.gif I suggest that you contact them as well, we wouldn't want to post any more discrepancies. wink.gif


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To the OP: Factor in your budget, look at as many sets as you can, pick the one you like. End of story.

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Thank you for sharing ALL these figures and reasoning, but for many consumers, including members here on this board that own LG's, when it comes to value verses performance, it doesn't prove that LG plasmas are necessarily bad TVs. At least not the ones that I or CR have seen, and what's important is how they look to me.

Well, I'm a member on this board who owns an LG plasma, and I can tell you that it's not a great TV. It's okay, considering what was available at the time and how little I paid for it, but it's not a very good TV. Maybe you think that LG plasma TVs look totally satisfactory in Best Buy, but have you actually had a plasma TV in your home that has a black level of ~0.026 fL? I have. And BTW, I don't regret buying it -- it's just not very good. Newer LG plasmas really aren't much better, so the gap has widened between LG and the competition over the past couple years. So as for "value verses performance," I think that LG plasmas actually rank very low (compared to other plasmas, not to LCDs). Other inexpensive plasma TVs smoke inexpensive LG plasmas, and on the higher end, the 9700 isn't even a particularly inexpensive TV (it's selling for more than the ST50 and E7000, which are both much better TVs). My point was that it isn't "mindless bashing" to simply say that LG plasmas aren't very good, because LG plasmas aren't very good. At the prices they are selling for, I think it's very difficult for anyone to even argue that they're a good value -- their pricing is not actually that competitive, especially on their higher models. You can preach all you want about how subjective image quality is, but it won't change the fact that a >0.02 fL MLL is bad, that low contrast is bad, that 9.5 fL for a full white screen is bad, that color banding is bad, or that inaccurate color is bad. But if none of those things bother you, and you want to maybe save $50, then buy an LG plasma.

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As far as CNET is concerned, they don't seem to show the reviews you are alluding to on their LG product review search link: http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/?filter=1000036_5316577_#filter=1000036_5316577_500959_127657 eek.gif I suggest that you contact them as well, we wouldn't want to post any more discrepancies. wink.gif

Maybe you should be the one to do that, since you were the one who couldn't find the reviews. I didn't have any trouble.

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I'm a member on this board who owns a LG plasma TV and its a great set.

No, it isn't. The LG 6700 is a POS.

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Of course, its not the cheap model

No, it's not cheap. It is stupidly overpriced. I guess that's why you are so desperately clinging to the idea that you bought a good TV. But you didn't. You bought an overpriced POS TV.

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it has no rainbows, banding, bleeding, blobs, or any other DEFECTS

Yes, it does. Every plasma TV on the market today has banding problems. ALL OF THEM. And it's worse on LG plasmas than it is on Panasonic or Samsung plasmas, but don't let reality stop you from making ridiculous comments like this.

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As for myself, I prefer to watch the set in lieu of reading a bunch of numbers that tell me how bad my TV is lol.

I don't blame you. Any measurements, reviews, comparisons to other TVs, etc., are likely going to make you regret buying your TV. So ignore all of that. Stick your head in the sand and tell yourself that your overpriced, POS LG 6700 is a good TV. But it isn't.
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I'm a member on this board who owns a LG plasma TV and its a great set. Of course, its not the cheap model and it has no rainbows, banding, bleeding, blobs, or any other DEFECTS that would cause me to return it. As for myself, I prefer to watch the set in lieu of reading a bunch of numbers that tell me how bad my TV is lol.

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Maybe you should be the one to do that, since you were the one who couldn't find the reviews. I didn't have any trouble.



Well good for you!


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I don't blame you. Any measurements, reviews, comparisons to other TVs, etc., are likely going to make you regret buying your TV. So ignore all of that. Stick your head in the sand and tell yourself that your overpriced, POS LG 6700 is a good TV. But it isn't.


POS? Really? rolleyes.gif


I've seen 1080p LG TVs in my friends office and on display, he likes his and the pq looks just fine. You can run numbers and CNET reviews by me till the cows come home, and even though I'm a Panny fan boy you won't convince me and many others that LG makes a bad plasma TV, if they did, they would have conceded plasma production to Samsung and Panasonic like all the other companies that stop making PDP's. Although it may not be the best choice for some in terms of value verses picture quality, for others it's a good TV and I respect their choice, even if it's not for me.



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Sheesh, I didnt read Mechanical Boy's reply until now. Wow, lot of hate and cheap shots there. Perhaps he needs a time-out.... but it is the internet I suppose, so no harm done. I'll treat it the same way I use Charmin.
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Question to OP and to the replies.

*With the OP asking... "LG TVs were one of the lower build quality TVs" > > > is he more or less asking about build quality for ownership 'reliability'...or...build quality for the 'perfect picture?'

My input...for two years I've been running my LOW QUALITY CHEAP LG/Zenith 50pj240 for 10 hours a day...without a humm, buzzz, fart or hiccup! I LOVE IT!
For 'me' and once I tweaked it...the picture is beautiful, crisp and razor sharp! However, looking into the pores of facial skin, ear and nose hair can be disturbing lol
BTW hooking up an OTA roof-antenna made the picture even BETTER!

Honestly, when I first came to this site for research, I got waaaaay too caught-up with the hum of this brand, the buzz of another, dark-levels rising over years, Pioneer is the best...should I wait till next year cause it'll be better, bla-bla-bla! It's fricking overwhelming! rolleyes.gif


I don't need anyone to tell 'me' what I'm looking at is goog or bad > because what I see is perfect to me!

FWD from two years ago...now I want a 60"!
I don't want to know (or care) what only 'meters' can tell the difference with. I want something that looks great to 'me'...and will give me a loooong trouble-free life wink.gif

With the above being said...if LG is a trouble-free TV, the picture that I see from it is just fine for me wink.gif
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Question to OP and to the replies.
*With the OP asking... "LG TVs were one of the lower build quality TVs" > > > is he more or less asking about build quality for ownership 'reliability'...or...build quality for the 'perfect picture?'
My input...for two years I've been running my LOW QUALITY CHEAP LG/Zenith 50pj240 for 10 hours a day...without a humm, buzzz, fart or hiccup! I LOVE IT!
For 'me' and once I tweaked it...the picture is beautiful, crisp and razor sharp! However, looking into the pores of facial skin, ear and nose hair can be disturbing lol
BTW hooking up an OTA roof-antenna made the picture even BETTER!
Honestly, when I first came to this site for research, I got waaaaay too caught-up with the hum of this brand, the buzz of another, dark-levels rising over years, Pioneer is the best...should I wait till next year cause it'll be better, bla-bla-bla! It's fricking overwhelming! rolleyes.gif
I don't need anyone to tell 'me' what I'm looking at is goog or bad > because what I see is perfect to me!
FWD from two years ago...now I want a 60"!
I don't want to know (or care) what only 'meters' can tell the difference with. I want something that looks great to 'me'...and will give me a loooong trouble-free life wink.gif
With the above being said...if LG is a trouble-free TV, the picture that I see from it is just fine for me wink.gif

I say this with all do respect, ignorance is bliss. I've been bashing my brain against the wall reading reviews and user feedback on a few tv's and I probably would be perfectly happy with either one of them without having researched any of them. And here I am still researching fo the perfect tv.
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