Originally Posted by steele6794
That was exactly what I was looking for. I havent looked at the 3d on either set so I have no comparison. I just don't want unwatchable 3d. I really want a 55 though and I wasn't happy settling with a 51". In your honest opinion are you happy with the way the st is playing 3d or are you only holding on to it because of the great 2d picture?
3D is very watchable - especially if youre in a dark room so your eyes take in as much of the light as possible. I choose to leave it at 60hz just for that extra refresh/brightness - i would probably switch back to 48hz depending on the movie. Maybe something like Hugo would have more cross talk. But right now i tested with 2 3D Bluray movies (Avatar and Titanic :P) and they honestly look pretty damned good (once you kinda get used to the inherently dimmer picture) I spend most of last night trying to get the skin tone of Jack and Rose right (Rose's skin is pale, and her lips more red - while Jack's skin tone has a bit more color) looking correct and was flipping back and forth between the 3D bluray, and a 28Gb 1080p mkv - i know its not ideal but it was the fastest probably most accurate way i can get an approximation of color - at least that was my thought process
I also watched half sbs (side by side) of Tangled and Toy Story 3 3D - and once i figured out that my PC was appling overscan (and set it to 0%) and set to 1:1 pixel mapping (size 2 on the tv) , the crosstalk was in line with Bluray - negligible for the most part at 60hz.
In 3D The blacks werent as black without crushing the color, and there seemed to be an orange tint across everything - which was probably due to the glasses (Samsung 4100g). I found that if i set the color to "Normal" from "Warm 2" it seemed to counter act this. Again im no calibrator, but i am trying to be as nit picky as i can right now :P
I believe i jacked the brightness up to 76-83, and even played with it at 100.
I'm sure ill be tweaking more and more, with different styles of movies - ill try and come back and post what i come up with in a few days.
Are you deciding between a 55" ST50 and a 51" E8000?? I had the same dilemma 4 years ago - 2008 model panny (42") vs 2007 model panny ("50") - i actually bought both and had them side by side. After following some settings for the newer model by CNET (shrug) i tried to match the 50" as best i could. I couldnt quite get there (was close though) ..so i thought id go for PQ over size and boxed up the 50". After a few days - the size of the 50" kept calling back - and switched back.
After a few more days - i stuck with the 50" and was pretty happy with it. I think the 8" difference was more of a WOW factor than the super subtle PQ differences.
To answer your question - yes to both :P I am happy with the 3D of the panny AND holding onto it because of the 2D picture (esp the blacks) . If i keep 3D to a really really small list of titles - then i think it would be better for me to keep the ST50.
That and im really too lazy to unmount, repackage, lug the damned tv down 3 flights of stairs to do an exchange. Not to mention redo the 100hr slide prep again.
I may change my mind in the next 5mins...