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What is your current set?

samsung 42 inch 4254
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samsung 42 inch 4254

Yeah you're in store for a huge upgrade - just from the size alone.

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Yeah you're in store for a huge upgrade - just from the size alone.

yeah plus didnt the 4254 have those rectangle pixels? It was only "720", and not 1080
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yeah plus didnt the 4254 have those rectangle pixels? It was only "720", and not 1080

It will be a night and day improvement - just make sure at minimum you calibrate the basic settings with a good calibration disc or download the AVS test patterns. After 500 hours, I would recommend a pro calibration by someone like Chad B or another reputable traveling calibrator who comes to your area. Feel free to PM though as we are way off topic and the mods might start yelling. LOL smile.gif

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It's a typo, that's the price for the 50" ST60 most likely.
Oh. I think you are right. The typo is the title '55" class (55.1 Diag.)'
I see another 55ST60 for $1360. That solves my dilemma right there if that's true.
Can anyone confirm this?

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I had Chad out a few weeks ago for my ST30 and I could have sworn he told me the GT50 was brighter which is why he didn't buy the ST50 and got the GT instead.
Interesting. Well maybe it is a bit brighter in THX BR mode. My 60ST50 can get well over 50fL with a 10% window. WIth a smaller window I can get more, but then it's a pointless measurement. I don't see many people needing more than that.
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I agree, that's way more than I would ever need - even during daytime. In dark room, I find 33 fl perfect for me.

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Oh. I think you are right. The typo is the title '55" class (55.1 Diag.)'
I see another 55ST60 for $1360. That solves my dilemma right there if that's true.
Can anyone confirm this?

The 55" that is cheaper says 50ST60 as its model number... So yeah... Typo
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Now commences that familiar time of year...

..the three to five months when AVS members begin to post speculation upon speculation of each new Panasonic, how much better or worse they are than the model they're replacing, what their black level measurement will be...and when they come out, universal praise will be heaped upon them until a month later when someone discovers an inconceivable issue, whereupon many others denounce the '60s and "wait for 2014." smile.gif
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Now commences that familiar time of year...
..the three to five months when AVS members begin to post speculation upon speculation of each new Panasonic, how much better or worse they are than the model they're replacing, what their black level measurement will be...and when they come out, universal praise will be heaped upon them until a month later when someone discovers an inconceivable issue, whereupon many others denounce the '60s and "wait for 2014." smile.gif

lololol So true and well written.
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The 55" that is cheaper says 50ST60 as its model number... So yeah... Typo

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The lack of a 70" is disappointing.
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So no 70"+ and a bunch of features nobody cares about. I'm confused... and disappointed...
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From CNET:

TC-PZT60 series (65 and 55 inches) Panasonic's 2013 flagship promises "Beyond the Reference" picture quality, with an all-new Studio Master panel that has the thinnest gas layer yet, which the company says will remove dim and double images. There's a newly developed red phosphor, faster switching than ever, THX certification for both 2D and 3D, and improved 3D performance -- namely less crosstalk -- according to Panasonic.

TC-PVT60 series (55, 60, 65 inches) Numerically this one looks like the successor to the VT50, and I expect it to have similar picture quality. The only mentions of picture quality in Panasonic's early press release are THX certification and better motion resolution than the 2012 version.

TC-PST60 series (50, 55, 60, 65 inches) In name and feature set, Panasonic's cheapest 3D-capable plasma series looks like the successor to our favorite TV of 2012, the Panasonic ST50. It has an Infinite Black Pro panel and might not quite match the motion resolution of the VT and ZT models (it has a "2500 Focused Field Drive" versus their 3000), nor their black-level performance, but should still be pretty great. As with the other two 3D series, the company is also including two pairs of active 3D glasses. Pricing was not announced, and it'll be interesting to see whether this series can match the excellent value of its predecessor.

TC-PS60 series (42, 50, 55, 60, 65 inches) In Panasonic's 1080p non-3D series, I expect the picture quality to match that of the excellent U50 models, which were also great values.

TC-PX60 series (42 and 50 inches) This looks like a clone of last year's X5 series, which was disappointing, to say the least.
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TC-PZT60 series (65 and 55 inches) Panasonic's 2013 flagship promises "Beyond the Reference" picture quality, with an all-new Studio Master panel that has the thinnest gas layer yet, which the company says will remove dim and double images. There's a newly developed red phosphor, faster switching than ever, THX certification for both 2D and 3D, and improved 3D performance -- namely less crosstalk -- according to Panasonic.
TC-PVT60 series (55, 60, 65 inches) Numerically this one looks like the successor to the VT50, and I expect it to have similar picture quality. The only mentions of picture quality in Panasonic's early press release are THX certification and better motion resolution than the 2012 version.
TC-PST60 series (50, 55, 60, 65 inches) In name and feature set, Panasonic's cheapest 3D-capable plasma series looks like the successor to our favorite TV of 2012, the Panasonic ST50. It has an Infinite Black Pro panel and might not quite match the motion resolution of the VT and ZT models (it has a "2500 Focused Field Drive" versus their 3000), nor their black-level performance, but should still be pretty great. As with the other two 3D series, the company is also including two pairs of active 3D glasses. Pricing was not announced, and it'll be interesting to see whether this series can match the excellent value of its predecessor.
TC-PS60 series (42, 50, 55, 60, 65 inches) In Panasonic's 1080p non-3D series, I expect the picture quality to match that of the excellent U50 models, which were also great values.
TC-PX60 series (42 and 50 inches) This looks like a clone of last year's X5 series, which was disappointing, to say the least.

ZT is 60" & 65"

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So no 70"+ and a bunch of features nobody cares about. I'm confused... and disappointed...

I'm seriously beginning to think that the solution of projector + flat panel is the real way to have a big screen....

The commitment of manufacturers to building larger panels does not exist. These $20,000+ 80" TVs are not much of a cause for optimism. Sharp is, but even there, the new flagship is a 60" TV that is $31,000. The best 80" is a mere $6500, but it's unlikely to be an amazing everyday TV. And day-to-day, I'm not sure I want that big anyway.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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ZT is 60" & 65"

Or perhaps CNET has the accurate info? Could someone confirm the ZT series diagonals?

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No word about 300MHz HDMI chips? It's about time for Plasma to support 3D in 1080p 60Hz and not just 24.
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Yeah all I see here is abunch of gimmicks. Im never going to draw on my tv with a pen. Like ever. Its "cool" and "interesting" technology I guess, but not practically useful at all. The lack of sizes larger than 65" is baffling. and no 4K.

To me, Panny was blown out of the water by literally everyone else. Hopefully the picture quality makes this years lineup respectable.
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Or perhaps CNET has the accurate info? Could someone confirm the ZT series diagonals?

The VT60 will come in 60" and 65" sizes:

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60ZT60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65ZT60

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Or perhaps CNET has the accurate info? Could someone confirm the ZT series diagonals?

Straight from the horse's mouth
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The ZT60 series is Panasonic’s Full HD 3D Plasma flagship series and is available in two screen sizes - the TC-P65ZT60, 65-inch class and the TC-P60ZT60, 60-inch class.

Available sizes in US are:

ZT: 65" 60"
VT: 65" 60" 55"
ST: 65" 60" 55" 50"

As last year, Europe is likely to also get smaller sizes.

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Ok. I'm glad they have a 60" ZT, but I guess I don't see why. I'll be hoping that the 60" underperforms as consumers stretch for five more inches and then I'll grab one on discount!

Any word on the 3D glasses for the 2013 models? Wondering if there is a new, improved model and if the 2012 TY-ER3D4MU will be compatible, etc.

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Any word on which models will motion interpolate to 96frames? The Amazon comparison says that for the 2012 models, the VT50 is the only one that will interpolate 24fps movies to 96 frames. Since HDGuru and Cnet generally hate motion interpolation, they never discuss it in their reviews. I personally love it, so I don't want to buy a set that doesn't have that feature.
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This little fella is good news: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P42S60

Question is will the s and st line have the anti reflective coating or are we regressing to the the S2 series of 2010?
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There's supposed to be a demo at the Panasonic booth comparing the VT50 to the ZT60 in a darkened room.

If anyone can post the link, thanks!

I'm going to be searching for it like crazy, though

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Glad I got in on the UT before it was gone.

Same. Great price for my budget (and not being a huge videophile) at $850 for the 55" model. Especially glad I jumped on it since Amazon is sold out now and I'd have gotten stuck with $60 or so in tax if I had to order from Best Buy or Sears (which also have it for $850 currently.
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Mostly Smart TV content and removing the GT line ?

There were rumors that Panasonic was getting out of plasma. Is this an indicator ?
I guess it's inevitable with OLED and 4k on the horizon.
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Any word on the 3D glasses for the 2013 models? Wondering if there is a new, improved model and if the 2012 TY-ER3D4MU will be compatible, etc.

I just ordered 2 pairs of 2012 TY-ER3D4MU for $29 each from a box retailer. So that's a good indicator the 2012 TY-ER3D4MU are leaving the market soon.
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Mostly Smart TV content and removing the GT line ?
There were rumors that Panasonic was getting out of plasma. Is this an indicator ?
I guess it's inevitable with OLED and 4k on the horizon.
I just ordered 2 pairs of 2012 TY-ER3D4MU for $29 each from a box retailer. So that's a good indicator the 2012 TY-ER3D4MU are leaving the market son.

Can I ask which store has those prices?
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Can I ask which store has those prices?

Sears had a sale recently which sold out. I don't think it's a sign of anything, but I am wondering about 2013/2012 compadibility.

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