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post #181 of 1868 Old 02-06-2013, 08:02 AM
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( 1,3516$=1€ )

Yes you are right, what I was triying to explain is that if in the US a tv (it happens the same with most electronic products) is for example 3000$, in Europe we can expect a price of 3000€ as if 1$ would equal to 1€ eek.gif

By the way nice avatar wink.gif. Are we not men?
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Hold on a minute! Are you trying to say a 46" LCD is going to be in the neighborhood of $3500? Isn't there currently a worldwide depression?
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Hold on a minute! Are you trying to say a 46" LCD is going to be in the neighborhood of $3500? Isn't there currently a worldwide depression?

Well, that´s according to the guys of FlatpanelsHD, but remember that there is no confirmed price for the US market, so who knows.......

The funny thing is the F8500, apparently, has the same specs of the F8000 being the only difference the metal frame.
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ok Top_Cat

though prices in UK (still using the pound*), Germany, Italy etc... are probably not the same.

(1 british pound=1.5659 US dollar eek.gif)
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Well, that´s according to the guys of FlatpanelsHD, but remember that there is no confirmed price for the US market, so who knows.......

The funny thing is the F8500, apparently, has the same specs of the F8000 being the only difference the metal frame.

And the fact that the F8000 is an LED.....

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Speakerphile, apparently, in Europe there will be an F8500 LCD model, unlike in the U.S. where the model will be the F8000 only. Technologically, those appear identical. Cosmetically, they seem likely to be different.

We are not referring to the F8500 plasma here.

This is not different from the way Samsung often has used the same base nomenclature for both plasma and LCD in the same model year, e.g. D7000 LCD and D7000 plasma.

It's confusing, of course, but not new.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Speakerphile, apparently, in Europe there will be an F8500 LCD model, unlike in the U.S. where the model will be the F8000 only. Technologically, those appear identical. Cosmetically, they seem likely to be different.

We are not referring to the F8500 plasma here.

This is not different from the way Samsung often has used the same base nomenclature for both plasma and LCD in the same model year, e.g. D7000 LCD and D7000 plasma.

Yes that´s correct.

Interesting...... I wonder, of course this is pure speculation, if it possible, that the same will happen with the F plasma series, but the other way round, I mean an F8000 plasma with the same specs and picture quality as the F8500 plasma, but with, a less "premium" feel (no metal frame, instead, some kind of good quality plastic) and accordingly, lower price. Wishfull thinking I guess wink.gif.......

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Speakerphile, apparently, in Europe there will be an F8500 LCD model, unlike in the U.S. where the model will be the F8000 only. Technologically, those appear identical. Cosmetically, they seem likely to be different.

We are not referring to the F8500 plasma here.

This is not different from the way Samsung often has used the same base nomenclature for both plasma and LCD in the same model year, e.g. D7000 LCD and D7000 plasma.

It's confusing, of course, but not new.

Weird, I'll have to look into that. I remember the D series, but they went away from that last year. Strange to see them go back.

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Yes that´s correct.

Interesting...... I wonder, of course this is pure speculation, if it possible, that the same will happen with the F plasma series, but the other way round, I mean an F8000 plasma with the same specs and picture quality as the F8500 plasma, but with, a less "premium" feel (no metal frame, instead, some kind of good quality plastic) and accordingly, lower price. Wishfull thinking I guess wink.gif.......

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There will not be an F8000 plasma, at least in the US.

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In France there are two models Plasmas : 51 and 64F8500 ... wink.gif

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Pausing the video at the 2:34 mark when the demonstration loop is between scenes
and all 3 screens go to their "Blackest" mode is very telling.

This new Samsung Plasma looks amazing!
"looks".... I.think there is a little marketing going on. The bottom 2 TVs were at a different angle on the wall ... Tilted up , reflected way more light. Do we know the models or settings of either "conventional" TV? Looks can be deceiving. I am looking forward to the full reviews . But it does "look" very good
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I believe there's no official word yet. But can anybody speculate a price or release date???
I've been waiting forever it seems like for news on the PN60F8500.
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I belive 1Q (unless its not wink.gif ) and no price has been announced for any of the new sets from Samsung....
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They usually come out in march....but im not so sure with this new panel.
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F8500-series will start showing up at dealers in mid to late March in the US. Sizes are confirmed at 51", 60" and 64". The design goal for this series is to be the best plasma available going beyond KURO and anything Pana is offering or will be offering. Samsung states this series will offer thier best picture quality until they debut thier OLED sets. Intoductory pricing is:
PN51F8500: $2,199
PN60F8500: $3,199
PN64F8400: $3,699
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^The marketing dept. made that claim and even mentioned Kuro or was that fictitious?
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Yes, KURO mentioned by Samsung.
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Yes, KURO mentioned by Samsung.
Can you please provide a link? Samsung is staking their reputation on this set if true. I love it, pricing is right in line with the e series!
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It's a very intriguing set and a big surprise from Samsung, since I thought they had about tapped their resources regarding plasma, but this set is not going to get as black as a 9G Kuro. It'll get a lot brighter and probably offer a great image provided it can calibrate well (great color, gamma, etc.).

That being said, if this can offer comparable performance to the ZT series, this set will be a steal at the 51" size, provided they stay in line with last year's pricing.

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That being said, if this can offer comparable performance to the ZT series, this set will be a steal at the 51" size, provided they stay in line with last year's pricing.


Absolutely, I''ve been holding off just just that reason.. if all Samsung has been saying is 90%, true this could.most definitely the best HDTV bang for the buck of 2013 or for that matter ever...
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There is no link. This was verbally communicated by Samsung. For those thinking of waiting for this set to debut... It will be worth the wait.
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There is no link. This was verbally communicated by Samsung. For those thinking of waiting for this set to debut... It will be worth the wait.

I want this to be a great set. I just have trouble understanding how a company that has been noticeably trying to exit this business had this "ace up their sleeve". By all accounts, what I've heard has been positive and I really like the design. If all comes out as described, this could be an all-out PQ war in plasma this year!

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This set is not going to get as black as a 9G Kuro.

And you know this HOW??? Pure speculation.
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And you know this HOW??? Pure speculation.

It's all speculation at this point smile.gif

yamvmax, I want to be wrong about this, in fact, every kuro owner is secretly itching to upgrade to a better set.

You were at CES, right? I can't remember if it was you that actually had an opportunity to view this set and the ZT60.

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It's all speculation at this point smile.gif

yamvmax, I want to be wrong about this, in fact, every kuro owner is secretly itching to upgrade to a better set.

You were at CES, right? I can't remember if it was you that actually had an opportunity to view this set and the ZT60.

I was, and yes I viewed both. They looked awesome. They were not next to each other, so I cant say which looked better. What I did notice though, was the sammy seemed brighter. I think the zt was adjusted more towards reference, while the sammy was more towards brighter and more color. Typical sammy. The blacks on both looked awesome.
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I was, and yes I viewed both. They looked awesome. They were not next to each other, so I cant say which looked better. What I did notice though, was the sammy seemed brighter. I think the zt was adjusted more towards reference, while the sammy was more towards brighter and more color. Typical sammy. The blacks on both looked awesome.

It'll be close and probably come down to meters/side by side comparisons to find which panel is the best. It definitely won't be night and day anymore.

There was an article on these sets, in which the author was less enthusiastic about OLED knowing that he could get near OLED quality in 2013 with the F8500 and ZT- I'm thinking more people will jump to OLED with 4k. That might be Samsung's plan at this point, hence boosting the performance of their plasma flagship this year. Samsung's OLED plans for 2013 weren't too clear. The brightness of the F8500 is going to be striking on the showroom floor and should lead to greater plasma sales for Sammy.

Even though the filter was great and kept the sets black on the show floor, the backroom demo stuff being shown to vendors and calibrators in a light controlled room for the F8500 was supposed to be exceptionally good, too.

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It'll be close and probably come down to meters/side by side comparisons to find which panel is the best. It definitely won't be night and day anymore.

There was an article on these sets, in which the author was less enthusiastic about OLED knowing that he could get near OLED quality in 2013 with the F8500 and ZT- I'm thinking more people will jump to OLED with 4k. That might be Samsung's plan at this point, hence boosting the performance of their plasma flagship this year. Samsung's OLED plans for 2013 weren't too clear. The brightness of the F8500 is going to be striking on the showroom floor and should lead to greater plasma sales for Sammy.

Even though the filter was great and kept the sets black on the show floor, the backroom demo stuff being shown to vendors and calibrators in a light controlled room for the F8500 was supposed to be exceptionally good, too.

Do you plan on buying this year, or are you hanging on to your 500m a while longer?
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Do you plan on buying this year, or are you hanging on to your 500m a while longer?

I'm seriously thinking about it, so I'll be curious to see if it can at least hang with my Kuro- I'm thinking based on Robert Zohn and David McKenzie's impressions that it can.

Although they look amazing, I'm still pretty sure it's not going to hit 500m mll. However, I was very impressed with the VT50 when I caught it at a Magnolia a few months back playing Viera demo material.

If I do purchase an F8500, it's going to have to get near 9G on blacks and hit reference across the board. I'm sort of tired of Panasonic sets and upgrading every year, too. But then I keep thinking about what Panasonic might bring in 2014 before 4k OLED. That whole switch probably won't pick up steam until 2015/16.

The Kuro is a very satisfying set, but there is a CRT look to the Samsung plasmas that is intriguing. It's more about getting the black level down to make that purchase worthwhile. If the F8500 gets to under .002 ft/L and there aren't any major defects (brightness pops, shadow detail issues, crazy gamma/color) it'll be hard to pass up.

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What is more likely: The 2013 Samsungs and Panasonics being pretty close to even with no improvement in 2014?

OR

Samsung improving in 2014 and Panasonic not improving in 2014?

OR

Panasonic improving in 2014 and Samsung not improving in 2014?

OR

Neither improving in 2014?

OR

both Samsung and Panasonic don't make Plasmas in 2014?

My bet is that 2013 Samsung will be BRIGHTER--Panasonic wins the black level contest by a hair--picture quality winner will be disputed

BUT

2013 will be Samsung plasma's last improvement and 2014 will be Panasonic's last plasma improvement.

Bottom line:--if you can wait for the best--2014 Panasonic plasma will be the best!
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What is more likely: The 2013 Samsungs and Panasonics being pretty close to even with no improvement in 2014?

OR

Samsung improving in 2014 and Panasonic not improving in 2014?

OR

Panasonic improving in 2014 and Samsung not improving in 2014?

OR

Neither improving in 2014?

OR

both Samsung and Panasonic don't make Plasmas in 2014?

My bet is that 2013 Samsung will be BRIGHTER--Panasonic wins the black level contest by a hair--picture quality winner will be disputed

BUT

2013 will be Samsung plasma's last improvement and 2014 will be Panasonic's last plasma improvement.

Bottom line:--if you can wait for the best--2014 Panasonic plasma will be the best!

Pretty much my thoughts on the whole thing

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