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Random question.

26 days ago I bought a 50st60 from BB. Their return policy seems to state 15 days.
$#!T I'm having a little buyers remorse, I feel like I shouldve gone with a 60". What are the chances BB will still let me exchange the 50 for the 60?? If it were me and I was BB I would want $500 more.

worth a shot...I typically find that if you go about it the right way and talk to the right people most companies are willing to help ya out.

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Buy the tv. I can almost guarantee your happiness. smile.gif

I was lucky I was in the same boat thinking I had 2 more weeks when a poster randomly posted the new policy. I only had 2 days til my 15. So glad I boxed my 50" and got a 60".

BB is pretty cool but they were pretty sneaky about changing this. I think if you stay calm and talk to the right person you have a good chance but get up and do it now!
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Hmmm... It seems that people have differing opinions and also differing levels of sensitivity to motion interpolation.

i personally don't have an issue with a bit of judder. I much rather have some judder than deal with any SOE at all! Watching the film in its intended and natural state is important even in 3D! Crosstalk is a whole other issue but again i rather deal with occasional light crosstalk than any SOE.

It is too bad Panasonic had to go and change things for 3D from the 50 series models. 3D was great in 48hz. on my GT50 with very little crosstalk and great 24p playback (in 3D only)

I guess I am going to have to test it for myself to see what I think but I'm not sure how to do that short of just buying one. I guess i could always return it if i wasn't happy.
I would not watch any 2d movie that showed any signs of SOE. If I put 2 ST60's together, 1 with motion on weak and the other off I guarantee you would not be able to pick confidently which has it off and which has it on.

For 3d, there is a difference between a little cross talk and something that is unwatchable. With motion off or even on weak with a 3d blu ray you will not be able to watch more then 5 minutes.

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Random question.

26 days ago I bought a 50st60 from BB. Their return policy seems to state 15 days.
$#!T I'm having a little buyers remorse, I feel like I shouldve gone with a 60". What are the chances BB will still let me exchange the 50 for the 60?? If it were me and I was BB I would want $500 more.
Speak to a manager about it.
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I was lucky I was in the same boat thinking I had 2 more weeks when a poster randomly posted the new policy. I only had 2 days til my 15. So glad I boxed my 50" and got a 60".

BB is pretty cool but they were pretty sneaky about changing this. I think if you stay calm and talk to the right person you have a good chance but get up and do it now!

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Random question.

26 days ago I bought a 50st60 from BB. Their return policy seems to state 15 days.
$#!T I'm having a little buyers remorse, I feel like I shouldve gone with a 60". What are the chances BB will still let me exchange the 50 for the 60?? If it were me and I was BB I would want $500 more.

Yeah go see the manager, tell him you have the shakes you need that 60".. It's still a sale for them, even a bigger one

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BB is pretty cool but they were pretty sneaky about changing this.

Off-topic, but I really don't see what's "sneaky" about printing a return policy on the front of a receipt. I rarely make a return/exchange on any purchase, but being the "measure twice, cut once" kinda fella I am I always check receipts for this and pricing integrity. Perhaps I'm in the minority...?

EDIT: At any rate, it never hurts to ask. If someone is outside of policy, the worst that could happen is that the response is a "no" and you're no worse off than before.
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I posted this change to their policy in a thread in the great found deals forum. One thing to note - if you're a premier silver rewardzone member, your return period is actually 60 days. Anyone else, 15.
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Off-topic, but I really don't see what's "sneaky" about printing a return policy on the front of a receipt. I rarely make a return/exchange on any purchase, but being the "measure twice, cut once" kinda fella I am I always check receipts for this and pricing integrity. Perhaps I'm in the minority...?

EDIT: At any rate, it never hurts to ask. If someone is outside of policy, the worst that could happen is that the response is a "no" and you're no worse off than before.

Lets say I shop with a company for 10+ yrs and they have a huge marketing division. With that marketing I see a million commercials get an app on my iPhone and get emails from this company. Any time said company does something good I hear about it thru all these medium. When they do something huge like cut my return window in half I hear it thru the grapevine on a post. Since I have been shopping with BB since I was 19(I'm 35 now) and I have a BB CHARGE I didn't think to check the return policy. It was SNEAKY!
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So people are saying that the 24p mode worked great for 3D on the GT50; is this something that could potentially be improved/fixed on the ST60 with a firmware update or is this hardware based?
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SOE = Soap Opera Effect, which is the pejorative term for a picture that is smooth and without judder. Your dizziness from watching 3D might be due to watching 3D in 24 and with judder (as seen in movie theaters). Using de-judder with 3D is a whole different ballgame and is much easier to watch, IMHO. Peter Jackson was a big proponent of this which is why he filmed The Hobbit in HFR(48p). Unfortunately, I cannot comment on Blu-ray quality on the ST60, but I suspect it is outstanding given the various reviews and people on this thread.

My dizziness is due to Montu, the ride at Busch Gardens in FL. Never had a problem until then. After I couldn't even watch a roller coaster on TV, or DVE calibration disc! Thanks for the answers folks!

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I'm attaching a couple of photos to illustrate the non issue of the silver border. The photos are from my basement. Take it for what it's worth. smile.gif
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Thanks for the thorough response -- it helps. Did anyone recommend a particular Samsung model? Something comparable to the ST60?

Yeah one thing I've learnt through all my reading the past week or two is that Samsung generall handles motion better, has better 3d, less contouring, rbe and colour pops but the Panasonic plasmas generally have better 2d image quality, deeper blacks and excellent colour reproduction so I guess it all depends what features matter to you.

A particular Samsung...You could look at the F5500 - 1199 for a 60 inch. I tested one out, Great 3D, awesome smart tv interface, decent colour reproduction and overall okay blacks. Like looking at a mirror though and the PQ is not as good as the ST60. A decidedly average performer compared to other plasmas but it's price point makes it worth a look. If you have the budget and want to switch, the F8500 is your best bet from Samsung.

So...Going back to discussing Panasonics, how is the 2d to 3d conversion anyways? I heard in a review it wasn't that great (like most tvs) but I'm curious about results from users. Do movies that were filmed in 3D but on a 2D BR format handle 2D to 3D conversion better than film shot in 2D? Silly question and I think I know the answer.

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Random question.

26 days ago I bought a 50st60 from BB. Their return policy seems to state 15 days.
$#!T I'm having a little buyers remorse, I feel like I shouldve gone with a 60". What are the chances BB will still let me exchange the 50 for the 60?? If it were me and I was BB I would want $500 more.
Since you will buying something else I would say good, offer them more cash if they say no.........
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I'm attaching a couple of photos to illustrate the non issue of the silver border. The photos are from my basement. Take it for what it's worth. smile.gif

Yeah but you can't really see the bezel with pics taken that far from the screen! People can see it on the panny website, amazon etc, or IN STORE. In my opinion this bezel thing is a non issue considering the PQ on this set

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Yeah one thing I've learnt through all my reading the past week or two is that Samsung generall handles motion better, has better 3d, less contouring, rbe and colour pops but the Panasonic plasmas generally have better 2d image quality, deeper blacks and excellent colour reproduction so I guess it all depends what features matter to you.

A particular Samsung...You could look at the F5500 - 1199 for a 60 inch. I tested one out, Great 3D, awesome smart tv interface, decent colour reproduction and overall okay blacks. Like looking at a mirror though and the PQ is not as good as the ST60. A decidedly average performer compared to other plasmas but it's price point makes it worth a look. If you have the budget and want to switch, the F8500 is your best bet from Samsung.

So...Going back to discussing Panasonics, how is the 2d to 3d conversion anyways? I heard in a review it wasn't that great (like most tvs) but I'm curious about results from users. Do movies that were filmed in 3D but on a 2D BR format handle 2D to 3D conversion better than film shot in 2D? Silly question and I think I know the answer.

Terrible!! I tried switching a 2D image to 3D and could only stand to look at it for about 20 seconds (literally) It is gimmicky and just terrible.

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Yeah but you can't really see the bezel with pics taken that far from the screen! People can see it on the panny website, amazon etc, or IN STORE. In my opinion this bezel thing is a non issue considering the PQ on this set
EXACTLY ! The picture that's further away is to illustrate where the lighting is. If it were that reflective you would certainly see it.The lower picture is from about 7 ft. Away at the most with the same lighting on.
Not distracting at all.
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I got a 55St60 last week in exchange for my 3 month old 55ST50 which seemed to be a lemon. The PQ on this ST60 is HANDS DOWN 100% better than the ST50. I am very satisfied!
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I got a 55St60 last week in exchange for my 3 month old 55ST50 which seemed to be a lemon. The PQ on this ST60 is HANDS DOWN 100% better than the ST50. I am very satisfied!

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Terrible!! I tried switching a 2D image to 3D and could only stand to look at it for about 20 seconds (literally) It is gimmicky and just terrible.

I'd say that's disappointing but that's what I expected.

Anyone watch Life of Pi in 3D on this yet? I picked it up as it's an excellent fi;m and since I'm still waiting for my TV am just curious as to how well the 3D holds up. Not a movie you watch repeatedly so I'm not sure if it was worth the 30 dollars but I imagine it has that wow factor on a nice TV such as the ST60.

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maybe i'm used to it? but i haven't used internal speakers on a tv in a decade and only need to use the audio delay on the occasion bad video file that's out of sync.

i don't think i'd simply settle for using internal speakers or living with it. i'm happy with the way my current tv's perform and would expect equal performance from anything else i purchase

I've never used a PC to watch TV but in 5 HDTVs and 3 receivers I've never seen a TV or receiver that doesn't need the delay set on the receiver to sync audio when using a DVD player.
I can't speak for the DVD players you've used. The OPPO Blu-ray and DVD players that I've used output video and audio in perfect sync. From that point on any problem, if it exists, would come from additional video processing in either an AVR or a TV. That's what I would expect from most name brand players.
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SOE = Soap Opera Effect, which is the pejorative term for a picture that is smooth and without judder. Your dizziness from watching 3D might be due to watching 3D in 24 and with judder (as seen in movie theaters). Using de-judder with 3D is a whole different ballgame and is much easier to watch, IMHO. Peter Jackson was a big proponent of this which is why he filmed The Hobbit in HFR(48p). Unfortunately, I cannot comment on Blu-ray quality on the ST60, but I suspect it is outstanding given the various reviews and people on this thread.

Is it better to watch the 3d movies in 24p mode?
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Terrible!! I tried switching a 2D image to 3D and could only stand to look at it for about 20 seconds (literally) It is gimmicky and just terrible.
Make sure to turn off motion smoother for 2d to 3d conversion. Makes the picture much better. Also in 3d settings, you can change the amount of depth.

Actually liked pretty good after playing with these 2 things.
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When watching real 3d content, if you like things to come further out of the screen, go into settings, 3d settings, then 3d adjustment. Turn it to -3 and you will get more popout. +3 gives you more depth. Default is zero, right in the middle. I am personally digging the -3.
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Hey guys i bought the p50g20 a few years ago and had to sell it 3 or 4 months later because of the loud buzzing sound that emits from it. Also I found the image retention/burn in was a problem for an avid gamer like myself. Are either of these issues fixed? I'd like to go back to plasma because it kicked the **** out of my LG LED as far as PQ is concerned.
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I get my 60" TV on Tuesday, I have some friends coming over to help me transfer the mount from my 58pz800u, that TV used M8 x 40mm will the same screws work on this TV? I have the set of screws that came with the mount, the other M8 in the box is only 16mm... I notice the panny mounts on their website come with m8 x 32mm... so I am a little bit concerned the 40mm will be too long?confused.gif I did look up some current Sanus mounts and they still come with the m8 x 40mm when I selected my exact TV model so it is safe to assume I will be ok with the M8 x 40mm bolts?

No, 40mm was fine for your old TV which is a lot thicker than the ST60, but 40mm is way too long for these newer thinner TVs. The ST60 Owners Manual (linked on the first page of this thread) specify a minimum length of 17mm and a maximum of 23mm. Anything longer than that and it'll probably punch through the bottom of the threaded fittings inside the TV and could damage the fitting, or the bracket that they're imbedding in, or an electronic board behind it, or the backside of the plasma panel itself. Don't even try the 40mm screw, just go buy some new M8 screws at a hardware store that are a suitable length. When you get the TV, test-fit the TV bracket and test-tighten the new screws finger tight to make sure they are long enough to get several turns of threads, but not bottom out inside the TV. My old 40mm screws bottomed-out when i tested them on my GT50 - and i hadn't even gotten them screwed in half-way yet (with my fingers). Luckily my mount came with several shorter versions and i ended up using screws that were less than half as long as my previous 40mm screws.
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I have a question which I can only guess has been answered somewhere in this 100pg long thread - and it is probably a stupid question at that! I believe most plasma tv's no longer suffer the "burn-in" that used to plague plasmas.

That being the case, I know people used to "break in" plasma sets. Is this still a practice people do? What are some best practices when buying a new plasma (I ordered the ST60). Thanks! smile.gif
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I have a question which I can only guess has been answered somewhere in this 100pg long thread - and it is probably a stupid question at that! I believe most plasma tv's no longer suffer the "burn-in" that used to plague plasmas.

That being the case, I know people used to "break in" plasma sets. Is this still a practice people do? What are some best practices when buying a new plasma (I ordered the ST60). Thanks! smile.gif

You can follow the procedure outlined in the 2013 settings thread by D-Nice, if you want to use his settings.. Or you can just watch content and be careful with bars/logos, up to you. I did a mixture of both (about 4 hours of tv a day/20 hours of slides)

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I have a question which I can only guess has been answered somewhere in this 100pg long thread - and it is probably a stupid question at that! I believe most plasma tv's no longer suffer the "burn-in" that used to plague plasmas.

That being the case, I know people used to "break in" plasma sets. Is this still a practice people do? What are some best practices when buying a new plasma (I ordered the ST60). Thanks! smile.gif

Go to "sticky' threads under 'Plasma flat panel displays' and click on 'Master Burn-In / Break-In' thread. You will find all the answers to your questions.

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Egads, I woke up this morning to the weirdest problem on my P50ST60. My TV will only recognize the HDMI signal from my iMac, not the signal from the PS3 or my Xfinity DVR. Even when I swap out the HDMI cables and mix up the inputs on my HDMI switcher, the TV will not display the video signals. I can tell the devices are registering the new video output as well since the PS3 and the DVR both display some kind of activity whenever I reconnect/activate the proper channel for that video signal. This is a bizarre head scratcher.

I had the same issue pop up on my p60st60. After going through the same process you did,the way I corrected the issue was to cycle off the power of tv and the devices. Then turn on the tv and make sure you have it set to the hdmi input you want to use before powering up the device.

This has solved my issue, just make sure the tv is on and set to the input you want before turning on the hdmi device. I guess it has something to do with how the tv handles the handshake between the two devices.
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Go to "sticky' threads under 'Plasma flat panel displays' and click on 'Master Burn-In / Break-In' thread. You will find all the answers to your questions.

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A particular Samsung...You could look at the F5500 - 1199 for a 60 inch. I tested one out, Great 3D, awesome smart tv interface, decent colour reproduction and overall okay blacks. Like looking at a mirror though and the PQ is not as good as the ST60. A decidedly average performer compared to other plasmas but it's price point makes it worth a look. If you have the budget and want to switch, the F8500 is your best bet from Samsung.

Thanks for the suggestions! The F8500 is way more than I want to spend on a TV, unfortunately. It's not just a little more than the ST60, which I'd consider, it's over double the price! :O I think I'm going to take a look at the PN60F5300 at Best Buy later. Hopefully the RBE won't be noticeable on this set, although I am concerned about the lack of anti-glare. The PN60F5300 is $950 at BB right now though -- nearly $600 less than the ST60. Hopefully it'll do the trick for me right now.

Are there any LCDs out there that can remotely compete with these plasmas in the sub $1500 range? In my research thus far, it doesn't look promising.
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