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post #3781 of 12935 Old 05-06-2013, 03:17 PM
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Hi guys,
Looking for opinions on those that own the ST60. I'm comparing getting last years Samsung e8000 or this years Panny ST60. I have not been able to see the Panasonic in person. My friend owns the Samsung E8000 and as far as plasma's go, it appears to have more of a matte finish and in his bright living room does great. I'm curious how the ST60 is? Is the screen pretty glossy with lots of glare? For this reason alone I'm tempted to maybe wait out for the F8500 to go on sale or snag a E8000 while they are still some left. I'd love to try Panasonic's , but not sure how glossy the screen's are. My local town's best buy is pretty small so they don't stock them. Thanks for any advice!

I do not own any of these sets but I took some pics with iphone while at BB because I couldn't believe the difference between the 50" VT and 64" 8500. They were on opposite ends of the room but I could tell a big difference in reflections on the two panels.

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So anyone know why Panasonic included the Hexacore processor in the GT60 but here in N.A we get the ST60 with...Forget the name of the one they went with. I imagine the Hexacore would offer slightly better performance based on everything I've read about it.

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So anyone know why Panasonic included the Hexacore processor in the GT60 but here in N.A we get the ST60 with...Forget the name of the one they went with. I imagine the Hexacore would offer slightly better performance based on everything I've read about it.

To save money.

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To save money.

Makes sense. Thanks!

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So anyone know why Panasonic included the Hexacore processor in the GT60 but here in N.A we get the ST60 with...Forget the name of the one they went with. I imagine the Hexacore would offer slightly better performance based on everything I've read about it.

Wouldn't that been nice, I wish it was in the ST60 frown.gif

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GT60 costs more so .....
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Thanks for the suggestion, Tony1. I just ordered one too. smile.gif

+1 I searched for backlights and all I got was LCD/LED TV backlights.
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So, I'm just about to pull the trigger on the 60" version of this TV. I'm planning on ordering on probably Wednesday or Thursday. My wife was wondering if we ordered it this week, from Best Buy, if it would be delivered on the 15th. So far, my experience has been that you can get a delivery 6 days after you order, so I told her, that if we ordered Wednesday or Thursday at the latest, we'd get it by the 15th. So, I hit up the Best Buy website, and when I went to check deliveries for next week, it tells me that the TC-P60ST60 is not available in my area. This is odd, because last week, I could check deliveries and it would actually give me dates that I could schedule a delivery. Anyone know what's going on here? I'm in the Twin Cities area if that helps. I can't imagine that it's not available here. Maybe it's just a snafu with their website?
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+1 I searched for backlights and all I got was LCD/LED TV backlights.

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50 hours into the prep slides with a 50" st60. Stopped a few times and watched some scenes from some DVD's via an HD-DVD player (TV is temporarily in a spare bedroom).

Pretty impressive picture quality. Coming from a Samsung LCD from 2008. I cannot wait to see an HD TV and especially bluray signal with proper d-nice settings applied.

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I do not own any of these sets but I took some pics with iphone while at BB because I couldn't believe the difference between the 50" VT and 64" 8500. They were on opposite ends of the room but I could tell a big difference in reflections on the two panels.


The 8500 might have the most aggressive AR filter I have even seen. I was very impressed by the way it handles light. But judging from the pics there is clearly a lot more ambient light shining onto the VT side of the room. Look at the wall behind it. Also the store lights are across from the VT. Also the TV behind the 8500 will act like a backlight thus making the 8500 screen look darker.

I think to judge you really need them near each other or at least on the same wall. I think the 8500 may be best for high light environments (its also can get brighter) but I'm not sure you should make your decision based solely (or even mostly) on that one aspect. Unless of course you do most of your viewing in bright day light.

Just my 2 cents take for what its worth.
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I do not own any of these sets but I took some pics with iphone while at BB because I couldn't believe the difference between the 50" VT and 64" 8500. They were on opposite ends of the room but I could tell a big difference in reflections on the two panels.


Tim, thanks for that shot! Hard to tell because the Samsung is on, but I take it that it is less glossy than that VT?
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I finally decided to purchase today but after checking online at bestbuy.com it said all stores in the Denver area were out of stock. It wouldn't let me do ship to store either. I called my local store and the sales guy couldn't see what the backorder time was because the system wouldn't tell him. Anyone have any clue what this means? Just out of stock temporarily I assume? How long will I be waiting?

p.s....I have to buy from bestbuy because I have a large number of bestbuy gift cards from my credit cards rewards system.
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The 8500 might have the most aggressive AR filter I have even seen. I was very impressed by the way it handles light. But judging from the pics there is clearly a lot more ambient light shining onto the VT side of the room. Look at the wall behind it. Also the store lights are across from the VT. Also the TV behind the 8500 will act like a backlight thus making the 8500 screen look darker.

I think to judge you really need them near each other or at least on the same wall. I think the 8500 may be best for high light environments (its also can get brighter) but I'm not sure you should make your decision based solely (or even mostly) on that one aspect. Unless of course you do most of your viewing in bright day light.

Just my 2 cents take for what its worth.

Also, the set above the Sammy is producing a bright blue image, whereas the Panny is sitting all by itself with no light around it(other than the ceiling)

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You've already check with the only source of information. wink.gif

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1 thing i fail to understand is why this tv is constantly compared to the Sammy 8500. The 8500 is two times the price of the st60s, that would be like comparing a ford fusion to a corvette. yes the fusion is a good car but of course the vette will be faster.

Isn't the Samsung competitor to the st60 the f5500 line?

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The 8500 might have the most aggressive AR filter I have even seen. I was very impressed by the way it handles light. But judging from the pics there is clearly a lot more ambient light shining onto the VT side of the room. Look at the wall behind it. Also the store lights are across from the VT. Also the TV behind the 8500 will act like a backlight thus making the 8500 screen look darker.

I think to judge you really need them near each other or at least on the same wall. I think the 8500 may be best for high light environments (its also can get brighter) but I'm not sure you should make your decision based solely (or even mostly) on that one aspect. Unless of course you do most of your viewing in bright day light.

Just my 2 cents take for what its worth.

That makes sense. I could not believe there could be that much difference with reflections between the two. I wished I could have got one of the employees to move them side by side but they were all busy assisting other customers.
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Tim, thanks for that shot! Hard to tell because the Samsung is on, but I take it that it is less glossy than that VT?
YW. The sammy is the one that is off....below the one that is on.
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So, I hit up the Best Buy website, and when I went to check deliveries for next week, it tells me that the TC-P60ST60 is not available in my area.
I ordered a 60st60 on April 23 from the BB website and was given a delivery date of May 10, but I checked just now, and I see the message you got -- not available in my area (which is HI). So it was in stock, but now it isn't, here also.

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1 thing i fail to understand is why this tv is constantly compared to the Sammy 8500. The 8500 is two times the price of the st60s, that would be like comparing a ford fusion to a corvette. yes the fusion is a good car but of course the vette will be faster.

Isn't the Samsung competitor to the st60 the f5500 line?
Because the ST60 is that good wink.gif

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As for the hockey game I have to say its more of the camera flashes and strobes it really only happens when it moves fast from one end to the other and on the ends of the ice its just fast flashes in the center of the tv. It is does not happen alot but when it does it flickers or flashes real quick. wow now that i say it does not it just did it 10 times back to back lol ... i guess i never know but its something that i can deal with i dont watch that much hockey too worry about it and the only reason i notice it because once i saw it i look for it!! Just like when people look for ir on there sets ... I do look for ir at times but not enough to worry about i just come home watch tv .. Its just not worth getting worked up if i got ir or not that is why i paid for the BB warranty. Is there better tv out there yes!!! But i must say i am very impressed with this set! I like the pq and the black levels!! side note as far as the flickering it happens more when fast moving shots werid i know!! yes i am ramble on and on!
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1 thing i fail to understand is why this tv is constantly compared to the Sammy 8500. The 8500 is two times the price of the st60s, that would be like comparing a ford fusion to a corvette. yes the fusion is a good car but of course the vette will be faster.

Isn't the Samsung competitor to the st60 the f5500 line?
Not if it's performance is much closer to the F8500. smile.gif

What the ST60 line is this year is the top candidate for the best bang for the buck.

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1 thing i fail to understand is why this tv is constantly compared to the Sammy 8500. The 8500 is two times the price of the st60s, that would be like comparing a ford fusion to a corvette. yes the fusion is a good car but of course the vette will be faster.

Isn't the Samsung competitor to the st60 the f5500 line?

Check out CNET review of the 8500. Katzmeier called the 8500 the best Samsung TV ever made. Yet he claims it is only slightly ahead of the ST60 by a nose. So yeah we compare the ST60 to the 8500 for sure. The 5500 is not quite on par. ST60 is simply amazing value if you can look past the slowprocessor , input lag and mediocre apps.
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Check out CNET review of the 8500. Katzmeier called the 8500 the best Samsung TV ever made. Yet he claims it is only slightly ahead of the ST60 by a nose. So yeah we compare the ST60 to the 8500 for sure. The 5500 is not quite on par. ST60 is simply amazing value if you can look past the slowprocessor , input lag and mediocre apps.

It isn't going to happen but it would have been interesting to see the ST60 in the shoot out. All TV's are calibrated to the same ftl which I believe is 40. I believe it would have held its own especially in regards to black level and color. Could it beat last years VT50 and the F8500? Quite possibly.
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It isn't going to happen but it would have been interesting to see the ST60 in the shoot out. All TV's are calibrated to the same ftl which I believe is 40.

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As for the hockey game I have to say its more of the camera flashes and strobes it really only happens when it moves fast from one end to the other and on the ends of the ice its just fast flashes in the center of the tv. It is does not happen alot but when it does it flickers or flashes real quick. wow now that i say it does not it just did it 10 times back to back lol ... i guess i never know but its something that i can deal with i dont watch that much hockey too worry about it and the only reason i notice it because once i saw it i look for it!! Just like when people look for ir on there sets ... I do look for ir at times but not enough to worry about i just come home watch tv .. Its just not worth getting worked up if i got ir or not that is why i paid for the BB warranty. Is there better tv out there yes!!! But i must say i am very impressed with this set! I like the pq and the black levels!! side note as far as the flickering it happens more when fast moving shots werid i know!! yes i am ramble on and on!

I have been to live hockey games and noticed the strobes. There is not much you can do about that.

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It's weird I've had almost 40 hours into my set so far and despite leaving my htpc on for about 10 minutes a few times I still have yet to see any IR whatsoever, even when switching to white/grey slides. I think it's mostly a non-issue at this point. I have mostly left pixel orbitor off (auto) so I don't crop any of the picture. Pretty well the only thing that annoys me at all is occasional dithering in the greys/blacks but that was only originally and probably because I'm not used to plasma. On the other hand going back to my (fairly decent) lcd was just a terrible experience, no blacks and quite noticeably worse picture with uneven back-lighting.
Even my (quite expensive at the time) 30" NEC calibrated display looks pretty terrible for movies in comparison (edge bleeding/poorly uniform backlight).
Line bleed I've only seen on my xbmc setup and even then it almost looks part of the color scheme.
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Thanks Tony - I called and canceled my Inspired LED order and bought the $14.52 kit you linked to. Appreciate your help.

Anytime.. Like i said before, I have both the ones I linked you and the inspired ones.. I compared the light they put out side by side,., same exact thing,, and
these that i linked you, might actually be even longer.. The only downfall i noticed is that the remote control for the dimmer only has about a 12 foot range,, but
that shouldn't be a deal breaker,..

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Hi All,

I ordered the 65ST60, it should be arriving in a couple days. I'm super excited as this is my first plasma and first new tv in 6 years. I've been reading through this thread and learning as much as possible before it gets here. Thank you all for your valuable info. My first question is what settings and calibrations should I use for watching sports(basketball, football, hockey) and regular cable tv? I know very little, so any help will be greatly appreciated.

Now, I do have one major concern maybe you all can add some light to. Over the weekend, I was able to convince my aunt to buy the 50ST60 from BB. Over the night and next morning of viewing, the tv was having problems getting bright and dim continuously. I believe this is known as ABL. Is there a way to get rid of this or a recommended setting/calibration that will make this less noticeable?

Feel free to pass on any additional info, a newbie like myself should know. Thank You
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