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Looking to get a surround sound or a couple tower speakers in my apartment to finish my setup.

Budget will be set at 700.00 (in Canada) taxes included

What can some people recommend.

Currently have a 55ST60 w/ the rope lighting behind the tv and the ______ speaker system.

EDIT. Will need a receiver as well.... Anyone have those sound bars? How are they and are they worth the money?

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Thanks cadett but I don't know how can you see that from your seat,unless you have trained your brain to look for it.But yes the IR is there and it shouldn't be there after all that you have done.

I can't. I stated I noticed it when calibrating. If I look for it, I can see it though. I'm not the paranoid forum poster either, just so that's clear. This is in fact the first time I've had/worried about retention after 10+ years of plasma technology in my home. Would this deter me from recommending this tv, well lets say if my recommendation level was at a 9 out 10, it would now be 8 out of 10. So, I would still recommend this tv. Just saying. Maybe I got the panel at the end of the line, who knows.
Also want to mention, I had my contrast at 87 when this happened. I now have it 82, maybe that will help.
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Note to self. Dont watch ESPN heh. Thankfully I am not really a sports fan and do not have cable so I should be fine.
I watch sports 90% of the time. I don't know what I'd do without watching sports daily. To each their own.

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Looking to get a surround sound or a couple tower speakers in my apartment to finish my setup.

Budget will be set at 700.00 (in Canada) taxes included

What can some people recommend.

Currently have a 55ST60 w/ the rope lighting behind the tv and the ______ speaker system.

EDIT. Will need a receiver as well.... Anyone have those sound bars? How are they and are they worth the money?

Can't go wrong with the Energy Take Classics for an apartment setup. A Denon pairs nicely with them.
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I watch sports 90% of the time. I don't know what I'd do without watching sports daily. To each their own.

I am not knocking sports. just noting to myself haha
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Looking to get a surround sound or a couple tower speakers in my apartment to finish my setup.

Budget will be set at 700.00 (in Canada) taxes included

What can some people recommend.

Currently have a 55ST60 w/ the rope lighting behind the tv and the ______ speaker system.

EDIT. Will need a receiver as well.... Anyone have those sound bars? How are they and are they worth the money?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-PK52FS

This is what I have minus the sub. I have two Epik Legend subwoofers.

this is my AVR http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a710/

The energy take 5.1 classics are also a great buy since you can find them for 300 bucks easily
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Too much complains about IR but not actual picture about how bad it looks ,if it looks that bad please post some pictures because this IR topic is getting annoying and its making the st60 thread look ugly, I want proof of how bad this IR looks, I was planning to buy this TV but all this rumors about IR is making me think about it ,same for many people interested in purchase this tv.

No matter how long I've had a static image on my screen I've never seen a hint of IR. I watched a 4:3 movie yesterday and saw nothing when I went to widescreen afterwards and I looked hard for it. My 5 year old Panny plasma I could see where the black bars were when going from 4:3 to widescreen for a few minutes before it would fade away. If there's IR problems it's definitely a per panel thing and not a model thing.
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I started getting this horizontal line on the right side of my TV only when I'm watching channel abc13 here in Houston. I don't see this bar on any other channels or contents. Should I be concern?

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eric3316 thanks I see the logo and I know that is normal to see some IR right after you turn on or turn off your plasma and it should disappear almost instantly after that, but to actually see this thru another image for hours is worrying.


It makes me think that there is a chance of long term IR on some of this panels, but I cant get into a concrete conclusion, we have to see how long those IR stay on these panels.


IMHO with the problem on some of this panels, I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy this tv online because many things can happen with a return.


I was about to buy this online but this makes me think that I should buy this from my local store.


Thanks guys for the pictures!!!!


Some more pictures with a detailed explanation will be helpful.

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I started getting this horizontal line on the right side of my TV only when I'm watching channel abc13 here in Houston. I don't see this bar on any other channels or contents. Should I be concern?


If it's only on that channel, no. If enabling overscan hides it, there's your answer.
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I started getting this horizontal line on the right side of my TV only when I'm watching channel abc13 here in Houston. I don't see this bar on any other channels or contents. Should I be concern?

Based on what you have written it sounds like a source problem directly related to ABC13 in Houston.
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eric3316 forgot to ask did you try any method to erase the IR and for how long?

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eric3316 forgot to ask did you try any method to erase the IR and for how long?
I was able to remove it after 2 nights of the Disney WOW pixel flipper but it came back as soon as I watched Fox Sports again. My 2 1/2 year old son loves to watch Nascar races while he is playing with his hot wheels and Nascar cars. We have a bunch of races for him on our dvr.

The IR was only from 1.5 hours of watching. What worried me was on the weekends we can have races going on the TV for the whole day sometimes so who knows how long that would take to remove. Also, the Panasonic Viera Menu caused some nasty IR but that could really only be noticed on colored slides.

At this point I wish they could have just fixed my e7000 plasma. I would have also taken an e8000 if they would have had any left. I am surprised I ended up with an LED as I have grown to hate LED TV's even though that is what I initially sought out to buy.

5 months ago if you would have told me I could have a 60es7500 for under $1,300 I would have been ecstatic and never looked any further for another TV but after owning e7000 and an ST60, LED TV's just don't excite me much like they use to. Don't get me wrong, the picture looks good and in the light and the blacks are inky and uniform but it is when you are in the dark where is just falls short. It does blow away every LG LED TV I have tried though and the Samsung is definitely watchable in total darkness.

Samsung also has the smart TV part down. There TV's are just fun. I wish they would have made a mid level 7000 plasma this year.
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I was able to remove it after 2 nights of the Disney WOW pixel flipper but it came back as soon as I watched Fox Sports again. My 2 1/2 year old son loves to watch Nascar races while he is playing with his hot wheels and Nascar cars. We have a bunch of races for him on our dvr.

The IR was only from 1.5 hours of watching. What worried me was on the weekends we can have races going on the TV for the whole day sometimes so who knows how long that would take to remove. Also, the Panasonic Viera Menu caused some nasty IR but that could really only be noticed on colored slides.

At this point I wish they could have just fixed my e7000 plasma. I would have also taken an e8000 if they would have had any left. I am surprised I ended up with an LED as I have grown to hate LED TV's even though that is what I initially sought out to buy.

5 months ago if you would have told me I could have a 60es7500 for under $1,300 I would have been ecstatic and never looked any further for another TV but after owning e7000 and an ST60, LED TV's just don't excite me much like they use to. Don't get me wrong, the picture looks good and in the light and the blacks are inky and uniform but it is when you are in the dark where is just falls short. It does blow away every LG LED TV I have tried though and the Samsung is definitely watchable in total darkness.

Samsung also has the smart TV part down. There TV's are just fun. I wish they would have made a mid level 7000 plasma this year.

Yeah that sucks and doesn't sound normal at all. must have gotten a bad tv....
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If anyone is gonna buy the ST60 though this would probably be the best site to do so https://clevelandplasma.com/store/plasma_tv_s/panasonic/panasonic_tc_p60st60
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Hi all,

I have the 50st60 for 3 days and i would like to know what is the best adjustment (without going into technical details) to watch TV and to watch movies/TV shows ?
I want to get closer to a natural image as the theater. If someone could help me, and share some basics settings

Great TV btw

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Hi all,

I have the 50st60 for 3 days and i would like to know what is the best adjustment (without going into technical details) to watch TV and to watch movies/TV shows ?
I want to get closer to a natural image as the theater. If someone could help me, and share some basics settings

Great TV btw

Thanks smile.gif
Look at the 2013 Panasonic settings thread.
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If anyone is gonna buy the ST60 though this would probably be the best site to do so https://clevelandplasma.com/store/plasma_tv_s/panasonic/panasonic_tc_p60st60

Are they an authorized dealer for Panasonic and will Panasonic's 1 year warranty cover TVs bought from them?
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Are they an authorized dealer for Panasonic and will Panasonic's 1 year warranty cover TVs bought from them?
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Each entry into the tech menu is logged with date/time and any changes made are noted internally in a log file. If you make no changes when you enter the service menu I can't see how simply entering the menu to view time on panel would void the warranty, but as has been noted in this thread most anything CAN void the warranty if they want to get picky enough.

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Absolutely, no issues there. Cleveland plasma is an AVS sponsor biggrin.gif

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I don't see Cleveland Plasma listed on http://www.panasonic.com/about/view-all-home-authorized-retailers.asp . Please advise on why not.
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Are they an authorized dealer for Panasonic and will Panasonic's 1 year warranty cover TVs bought from them?
I bought my 65VT60 from Cleveland Plasma a week ago. Placed the order with Chris on Tuesday afternoon and it was delivered and set up on Thursday morning...in Florida!. It is my understanding that Cleveland Plasma is not an authorized Panasonic dealer; however, Panasonic's 1-yr warranty fully applies, per Panasonic's web site Q&A's. Having examined the pros and cons, I can't see any worthwhile benefit to buying from an authorized dealer; just buy it from someone you can trust. Also, some credit cards will double the original warranty up to an additional year. Just be absolutely certain that you want the specific model TV that you order from Cleveland Plasma; their return policy is more restrictive than the usual big sellers, such as Amazon; but this return policy is common amongst the reseller companies. I highly recommend buying your TV from Chris: honest and professional - he does what he says he will do.

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I don't see Cleveland Plasma listed on http://www.panasonic.com/about/view-all-home-authorized-retailers.asp . Please advise on why not.

I believe Cleveland Plasma is an installer, which may explain why they're not on that retailer list. I have four A/V contractor customers who sell and install Plasma TVs in high-end homes, corporate office buildings, airports, military bases, and defense contractor facilities etc and they're not on that list either. And there are a lot of small mom-and-pop A/V stores around the country that also are not on that list like Audio Video center nearby which has been selling Panasonic TVs for over 30 years.

I think all that list means is that you can be assured that the retailer has been vetted by Panasonic and any TV you buy from them won't be a gray market or refurbished unit etc. The warranty is still valid as long as the TV is new and bought from a legitimate business you have a valid receipt.

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Randy I'm sure you are right in your experiences with those companies that aren't on the Authorized Panasonic Retailers list and from what I've read here Cleveland Plasma is quite reputable. I do however have to point out the exact wording from the Panasonic website on being an Authorized Panasonic Retailer, which the full page and not just the selected excerpt can be read.

http://www.panasonic.com/about/authorized-retailers.asp

"Panasonic includes limited product warranties on its products, but only when the products are purchased from an Authorized Panasonic Retailer"


This statement is pretty defining and this is one of two reasons that I chose to order my TC-P60ST60 from Sears, that is an Authorized Panasonic Retailer. I just know, if in the future, I need to have warranty repair from Panasonic, they won't be questioning whether or not I purchased this from an Authorized Panasonic Retailer.
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So you're saying you should just watch regular tv for the first hundred hours or so and not break the tv in with tests slides? I don't know anything about the test slides. Did the people who have had ir issues break the tv in with tests slides?

I am not a tech guru with TVs as I mentioned in my original post, but I've had two plasma televisions in the past and never had any issue with burn-in.

It's only in now buying my third plasma and in participating in these forums that I've learned about test slides, and I'm understanding that using the test slides is specifically to age the television in a consistent manner with one particular person's calibration settings which everybody likes. Which is great. But I've seen no indication from anyone that test slides are a better way to break-in the television than just watching regular content with careful settings.

My method to break-in the television, and this is based on what was understood to be correct 7 years ago and again 5 years ago (the respective times I bought my other two sets) was that for the first 100 hours of so, you should keep contrast and brightness as low as possible and stretch all 4:3 pillar box content so that the content fits the entire screen.

To this end, I am running my new television with contrast levels at 50 and brightness at the default 0 (which would have been 50 on my previous sets as the new TV has a brightness range from -50 to +50). When watching TV during the day (which is rare), I'll boost contrast to 60 if it's too dark. These settings at night are not bad. Not optimal viewing for the first 100 hours but my understanding is that a bright station identifier (bug) is less likely to cause image retention if the TV contrast and brightness are set low.

After 100 hours, I am comfortable jacking up the settings because my understanding is that panels are more prone to IR and burn-in in the first 100 hours. This could all be my misconception, but it's worked for me with two televisions thus far and seems logical.

This is why I was asking what contrast and brightness settings people have been using because I'm curious if their settings are high.
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^^^^^^^^^This is my exact plan. When watching any tv show or station with a logo, I'm setting my contrast and brightness very low. When a full screen movie on HBO or something of the like, I'll run my preferred settings as normal. I'll just setup 2 settings, one for tv, one for movies, until I feel comfortable. Plus I have the Disney WoW disc just in case smile.gif
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watched ESPN last night for about 2-3 hours with no IR at all.
with contrast @90 brightness @+4
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I've had my 50" ST60 for a little more than a week now and have had no issues with it whatsoever. I ran D-Nice's slides for the first 100 hours, then inputted his settings and CNET's. They both look fantastic to me, but I'll try cadett's as well and see which I prefer. There is no buzzing at all and zero image retention, although the only shows I watch with logos are Stewart & Colbert. I haven't tried any letterboxed movies yet, but feel comfortable doing so soon.

I just wanted to balance out some of the recent negativity on here. It's a gorgeous TV all around!
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Starting to really think that the IR is a "per panel" issue, not an "ST60 series" issue.

For those of you that have experienced bad IR, what size is your panel?
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