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sawfish's Avatar sawfish 03:36 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think the point is that we wouldn't use either one in torch mode. So in the modes you would use, the 8500 will be brighter by a comfortable margin and do so without clipping.

Ken i will say this because you remember me that in the other thread...this is a Panasonic thread why you keep talking about F8500...We all know that you want brightness...ok That's the F8500. But we want to know how is the performance on ST60...

You don´t seem very objective to me right now

It's a real shame the blocked poster feature doesn't work at the subthread level. The Kuro junk that infects every plasma thread is bad enough, but it's not even the most disruptive thing here.

CSIG1001's Avatar CSIG1001 03:37 PM 03-31-2013
Does the 2013 Samsung sets use Rubycon capacitors or they still using junk that tend to bubble up and burst?


Personally id always go with Panasonic and if i had to choose VT60 vs FS8500 , id go VT60.

I went to best buy yesterday and dialed in the old school custom settings from what I use on my ST30 from this site .. and it was comparable or better then the new ES8000 i believe , Samsung LED for 2013. They were right next to each other .. of course i did not calibrate the samsung LED but my eyes were hurting for the bright whites and ugly colors it reproduced.

I do like the thin bezels on the LED .. whats up with panasonic and a silver trim? That is stupid period. The 50 " ST60 to me blew away or at times was on par with the 55" 2013 Samsung ES8000 for 2600.00 in picture quality. The only advantages i saw for LED were if you had alot of light in your living room for Day time viewing and wanted no buzz , less electricity usage. Other than that the ST60 provided a better SD picture and more realistic perception like the directors meant it to be seen picture then any TV sold at best buy.
I have full faith the VT60 especially the 60"+ models will provide equal black levels and better contrast or overall picture quality and features then any pioneer TV made.
agkss's Avatar agkss 03:38 PM 03-31-2013
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Well if a question arises comparing the ST60 with an 8500, I think there's nothing wrong with my response, it's perfectly fair. If a poster asks how an ST60 compares with an 8500, should we respond by comparing the ST60 with an LG LED?

D-Nice also responded much the same as I did. Is he biased too? Perhaps it's not the answer you wanted to hear, but it doesn't make it wrong.

How you compare a ST60 with a F8500...the answer it's obvious to you always be the samsung F8500 the better (To me too but I don't think will match a ZT60)...even if i join the comparisson a ZT60...We all know what you want...F8500.

It's like reading a commercial over and over again of Samsung F8500 and this is a Panasonic Thread
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 03:46 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

How you compare a ST60 with a F8500...the answer it's obvious to you always be the samsnug F8500 the better (To me too but I don't think will match a ZT60)...even if i join the comparisson a ZT60...We all know what you want...F8500.

It's like reading a commercial over and over again of Samsung F8500 and this is a Panasonic Thread

Where did all of this come from? Ken has suggesed other TVs IN the F8500 thread. You quoted him replying to another user who bright the F8500 into this thread, so maybe you should question thier motives?

The Best TV is the one for YOU regardless of the brand.......Since at this time The ST60 and F8500 are the main PDP sets going you are going to get comparisons..When the VT60 and ZT60 come out I am sure there will be comparisons in ALL threads between the sets, does that make someone biased, no.....It should and doesnt amtter what someone wants you could own a Panasonic and reccommend a Samsung as well as doing vise versa......

Sorry to clutter up the thread.....
keithhr's Avatar keithhr 03:46 PM 03-31-2013
I thought someone would respond to my new panasonic owner post, but that's ok, I have been looking at a finely calibrated Kuro Pro-151-60" for the last 4 years
and I think my new Panasonic TC=P50ST60 does compare favorably with my Kuro. It does not hav all of the adjustment modes but I'm ok with that. At present I
chose to use the custom mode with the contrast at 67 and am using warm1 color temp. I will attempt to do more as time permits, but I am starting off quite well
and had ordered two LCD, led backlit models which I had to cancel because I knew that I couldn't handle the ultra brite torch mode that these sets use, If anyone
has one of the list of here are my nice settings,(pun intended if D Nice has done one) I would love to see what someone more knowledgeable than myself has come up
with for a workable setting. After my Pioneer was calibrated with the ISF only calibrations, I don't believe I can change them as most of them are grayed out.

CSIG1001's Avatar CSIG1001 03:48 PM 03-31-2013
The ST60 will outperform and outlast 99.9 percent of all LG sets made LOL

that other .1 percent is the experimental prototype OLED sets from LG LOL . They will probably overheat and burn out after the first year.
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 03:50 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Does the 2013 Samsung sets use Rubycon capacitors or they still using junk that tend to bubble up and burst?


Personally id always go with Panasonic and if i had to choose VT60 vs FS8500 , id go VT60.

I went to best buy yesterday and dialed in the old school custom settings from what I use on my ST30 from this site .. and it was comparable or better then the new ES8000 i believe , Samsung LED for 2013. They were right next to each other .. of course i did not calibrate the samsung LED but my eyes were hurting for the bright whites and ugly colors it reproduced.

I do like the thin bezels on the LED .. whats up with panasonic and a silver trim? That is stupid period. The 50 " ST60 to me blew away or at times was on par with the 55" 2013 Samsung ES8000 for 2600.00 in picture quality. The only advantages i saw for LED were if you had alot of light in your living room for Day time viewing and wanted no buzz , less electricity usage. Other than that the ST60 provided a better SD picture and more realistic perception like the directors meant it to be seen picture then any TV sold at best buy.
I have full faith the VT60 especially the 60"+ models will provide equal black levels and better contrast or overall picture quality and features then any pioneer TV made.

Actually the plasma for 2013 is the F800 ES8000 is 2012......As for the capacitors I dont know of anyone who has taken apart thier set or would be willing to at this point to find out to see wink.gif........

From all reports however the ST60 is a great set and would please someone looking for something for "dark room"\Normal room viewing.......I ahvent heard of Samsung capacitors bubbeling up and bursting, so it may be years ago that this happened.........
oldsmoboat's Avatar oldsmoboat 03:52 PM 03-31-2013
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Anyone who has picked up this set throw some black ops in and let us know if you notice any input lag. I really want to pick this up hopefully tommorrow

A good resource for future reference:
http://www.displaylag.com/

Last year's Panasonic plasma's had very good results in the lag department, really just about as good as you'll find from a large HDTV, so there is every expectation this years will as well. However keep in mind every display was tested while using that TV's "gaming mode."

Size Brand Model Resolution Refresh Rate Screen Type Display Type Input Lag Rating
55" Panasonic TC-P55VT50 1080p 600hz 3D Plasma HDTV 40ms GREAT

55" Panasonic TC-P55ST50 1080p 600hz 3D Plasma HDTV 40ms GREAT
I am looking at the 60" ST60 as a replacement for my TH-50PX500U. I game and wasn't aware of input lag. The site above doesn't list my TV. Anyone know the numbers on the 500U?
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 03:56 PM 03-31-2013
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I am looking at the 60" ST60 as a replacement for my TH-50PX500U. I game and wasn't aware of input lag. The site above doesn't list my TV. Anyone know the numbers on the 500U?

I would heck the owners thread here as well as the Lag test thread. There are a few tests that you can run to test the lag yourself smile.gif .....
CSIG1001's Avatar CSIG1001 04:00 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Actually the plasma for 2013 is the F800 ES8000 is 2012......As for the capacitors I dont know of anyone who has taken apart thier set or would be willing to at this point to find out to see wink.gif........

From all reports however the ST60 is a great set and would please someone looking for something for "dark room"\Normal room viewing.......I ahvent heard of Samsung capacitors bubbeling up and bursting, so it may be years ago that this happened.........
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well know for one thing i will most likely go with a 60-65" ST 60 or a 60" VT60


Seems like the samsung will be the best set for day time viewing in the 2013 plasma lineup.
I just dont want to risk putting my money into a korean based product. The way pansonic is going however it might be the way to go if panasonic is going to stop producing plasmas in 2014-2015.
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 04:06 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

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well know for one thing i will most likely go with a 60-65" ST 60 or a 60" VT60


Seems like the samsung will be the best set for day time viewing in the 2013 plasma lineup.
I just dont want to risk putting my money into a korean based product. The way pansonic is going however it might be the way to go if panasonic is going to stop producing plasmas in 2014-2015.

Well they are working on 2014 sets and even if they do stop making them they wont stop supporting them (at least not initially)......The ST60 and VT60 should be sound choices if you have a controlled lighting enviornment especially.....The ST60 so far is shapping to be a real winner of a set and may come out as best bang for the buck (right now I would have it as THE best bang for the buck)......

Personally this new from Panasonic happened last year as well, so I wouldnt worry too much about it......
biggweeziehd's Avatar biggweeziehd 04:09 PM 03-31-2013
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I just picked up the 55st60 today....!

From where????
jasjw's Avatar jasjw 04:13 PM 03-31-2013
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It's been said a million times over the years on AVS, but pictures like this tell you nothing. The monitor you're viewing this on probably has an MLL vastly higher than the ST60. So how could you possibly tell if the black levels really look that good? Then there's the issue of the camera that takes the picture and how the exposure was set.

I'm sure the blacks on the ST60 are great, we already know that, but to 'measure' that from a posted you're viewing on a monitor with capabilities that can't begin to approach the display in question, what good is it really? This applies to the many excellent displays currently on the market. Yeah, pix are fun, but that's about it.

Yeah I know but I'm getting itchy feet whilst us Brits await stock. They is nothing wrong with a few pictures to get the taste buds going smile.gif
keithhr's Avatar keithhr 04:26 PM 03-31-2013
I forgot to ask how to connect my headphone amp to the tv. I did order a toslink to analog rca plug converter and I'm hoping that
will do the job. The one thing that took my buy surprise is the sound quality. It's very loud if I turn the volume up to 15% or so, surround mode adds
a bit of spaciousness to the sound. If somebody has a better idea of getting analog sound out of this tv I would be grateful. I can't believe that Panasonic
has forsaken standard outputs.
norvegia's Avatar norvegia 05:03 PM 03-31-2013
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Looks impressive. How about some blu ray content smile.gif







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Yeah, pix are fun, but that's about it.
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rayoner's Avatar rayoner 05:21 PM 03-31-2013
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From where????

I'm in CA Bay area at Video Only. There was a one day Easter Special. So without stating price-it was pennies above the 50 retail. Had the 50 from best buy but its going back tomorrow!
biggweeziehd's Avatar biggweeziehd 05:24 PM 03-31-2013
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I'm in CA Bay area at Video Only. There was a one day Easter Special. So without stating price-it was pennies above the 50 retail. Had the 50 from best buy but its going back tomorrow!

How much? It don't hurt to say they aren't on sale anywhere here in the Midwest
rayoner's Avatar rayoner 05:33 PM 03-31-2013
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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 05:46 PM 03-31-2013
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How much? It don't hurt to say they aren't on sale anywhere here in the Midwest

Curious too as bestbuy has it for jut under 1k
jasjw's Avatar jasjw 05:47 PM 03-31-2013
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It looks awesome thanks for posting.

Unfortunately I have had to rule out this set. The review is out from HDTV and the rumors are true, The input lag is shockingly high. Not Happy!!
rayoner's Avatar rayoner 05:58 PM 03-31-2013
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Curious too as bestbuy has it for jut under 1k

Best buy does sell the 50st60 for $999.
I got the 55 for $1140 on sale.
Retail was $1299.
sawfish's Avatar sawfish 06:21 PM 03-31-2013
Amazon is finally showing the 55" as available now, with the 50" shipping in 1-2 months. Their stated prices are crazy high at the moment. I want the 50". Best Buy has free delivery again this week, so if Amazon doesn't get it's act together, I may just go ahead and get it from Best Buy.
rockphantom's Avatar rockphantom 06:25 PM 03-31-2013
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It looks awesome thanks for posting.

Unfortunately I have had to rule out this set. The review is out from HDTV and the rumors are true, The input lag is shockingly high. Not Happy!!

Howdy,

I'm a casual PS3 gamer (Capcom and SNK fighters), and would appreciate it if you could please post a link to the review you've mentioned.

Isn't input lag high on most modern HDTVs?

Thank you!
jasjw's Avatar jasjw 06:28 PM 03-31-2013
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Howdy,

I'm a casual PS3 gamer (Capcom and SNK fighters), and would appreciate it if you could please post a link to the review you've mentioned.

Isn't input lag high on most modern HDTVs?

Thank you!

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

The ST50 was around the 16ms and the ST60 is between 49-70ms.

The VT50 was 24ms.
CSIG1001's Avatar CSIG1001 06:35 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by rockphantom View Post

Howdy,

I'm a casual PS3 gamer (Capcom and SNK fighters), and would appreciate it if you could please post a link to the review you've mentioned.


Isn't input lag high on most modern HDTVs?





Thank you!


I read the review its from the crap euro st60 model
rockphantom's Avatar rockphantom 06:36 PM 03-31-2013
Thank you for the link, jasjw.

Perhaps the North American 50 inch ST60 has a lower input lag than the European 42inch ST60?

I'm very interested in the ST60 and hope that it will meet most of my needs.
gmarceau's Avatar gmarceau 06:37 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by jasjw View Post

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

The ST50 was around the 16ms and the ST60 is between 49-70ms.

The VT50 was 24ms.

Probably the least of my concerns smile.gif

.0014 ft/L mll, awesome
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar Cleveland Plasma 07:19 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by norvegia View Post

Not sure if this is useful at all but I really like blacks on this set:
One can say this or that about the ST60, it is still a "solid" set........
JSpectre88's Avatar JSpectre88 08:23 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by jasjw View Post

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

The ST50 was around the 16ms and the ST60 is between 49-70ms.

The VT50 was 24ms.

That's inaccurate.

The ST50/GT50/VT50 are all within 40-50ms input lag in game mode.
moshock's Avatar moshock 08:37 PM 03-31-2013
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

That's inaccurate.

The ST50/GT50/VT50 are all within 40-50ms input lag in game mode.

what exactly does game mode do? i thought it was just marketing hype... does anyone actually use it?
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