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OK, I am a little confused. Let's see if I am following this thread correctly:
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This is the sand castle time of the year. This thread, and a couple of others, are the sand boxes. biggrin.gif

Yeah, it always is this time of year.
Right. It's fun until a few start complaining about their unfulfilled expectations later in the model year.
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I did notice you have over 21k post. I have never understood why someone stays on these type of forums for years even decades for what most of us is a one time decision for a month or two and then we don't come back until the next purchase cycle.
Of course I came here originally to find information that would help me purchase our first HDTV. That phase took two years. eek.gif

There are a lot of repetitive question in display forums. Someone has to answer them. wink.gif

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There are a lot of repetitive question in display forums. Someone has to answer them. eek.gif
You should copy and paste an answer about IR. wink.gif

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Don't expect to see one until I've had at least 2 full weeks with the display. I am very thourough with evaluations.

So how far along on those 2 weeks are ya? It would be nice to see a second opinion on these before the 60 inch model ships out (seemingly late April)
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My 50" ST60 is still on break in slides for another few days. However, I have not noticed any banding or vertical streaks on the right side of the screen. One thing that I have noticed during break in is that, to my eyes, the green and white slide series (green especially) seem to have a dancing or sparkling effect with the phosphors. I believe this has been mentioned before and should go away during break in / once the screen is calibrated. The speakers do not bother me as this TV is hooked up to my home theater at the moment and will be relegated to the exercise room once the ZT series come out.

My 50" ST60 arrives tomorrow (can't wait!). I'm planning on running the slides for 100 hours. Are you using D-Nice's slides from the ST50?
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So the general consensus (albeit early) is that the ST60 > ST50? No glaring issues, problems? If so I will most likely return my 55ST50 and buy a ST60 in a couple months.
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So the general consensus (albeit early) is that the ST60 > ST50? No glaring issues, problems? If so I will most likely return my 55ST50 and buy a ST60 in a couple months.

Yes thats the general take from things so far, but you may ot be "blown away" by the differences wink.gif this of course is just my humble opinion.......
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There are a lot of repetitive question in display forums. Someone has to answer them. eek.gif
You should copy and paste an answer about IR. wink.gif
I've been posting a link for some time now.
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Yes thats the general take from things so far, but you may ot be "blown away" by the differences wink.gif this of course is just my humble opinion.......

If the ST60 has noticeably improved sharpness and does not have the vertical streaks and the bar on the right side I will be happy.
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If the ST60 has noticeably improved sharpness and does not have the vertical streaks and the bar on the right side I will be happy.

I haven't seen any vertical streaks or abnormalities yet . I can't comment on the sound quality of the 50. I did have that in mind last night while watching it and thought it sounded decent, even full. I was impressed possibly because expectations might have been lowered. I think in a normal setting it's acceptable. My guess is most will have it hooked to a system for movies/games. I also have a GT30 of which I do like the styling on better, but I believe this tv for what it offers is a steal. I returned a Samsung E7000 for this and I think the sharpness/ richness/contrast of the picture is excellent. Can't compare to the 50, but from what I've seen and from other responders, you'll be happy.

I am blown away every time I turn it on, I feel it's just so much better than anything else you can get at the price.
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If the ST60 has noticeably improved sharpness and does not have the vertical streaks and the bar on the right side I will be happy.

Not to mention, better blacks than the VT50. wink.gif
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Who cares about lotto winnings (I would gladly take 25% of the total) It's still not fair that we are charged 33% more for the exact same tv!!

It is a bit crazy... especially when the dollars are so comparable these days. Being from Winnipeg just plan a trip down to Grand Forks and get the TV there tongue.gif

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If the ST60 has noticeably improved sharpness and does not have the vertical streaks and the bar on the right side I will be happy.

Overly sharp to the point that SD is grainy, on retail DVDs even. Better have all HD sources, this one isn't for SD unless you like grainy. An over sharp picture is never recommended, you actually lose detail when the picture is too sharp.
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Wow, impressive pictures from this set! It doesn't appear to have all the off axis viewing angle problems of the samsung F8500 either which is good
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Overly sharp to the point that SD is grainy, on retail DVDs even. Better have all HD sources, this one isn't for SD unless you like grainy. An over sharp picture is never recommended, you actually lose detail when the picture is too sharp.

sharp =/= over sharp.
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Wow, impressive pictures from this set! It doesn't appear to have all the off axis viewing angle problems of the samsung F8500 either which is good

Wasn't there only problems when viewing it from too close up?
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Anyone else notice the Panasonic VIERA TC-P60ST60 has disappeared from the net? What up with that?
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Anyone else notice the Panasonic VIERA TC-P60ST60 has disappeared from the net? What up with that?

Still showing up on the Panasonic EPP site.....Things show up and dissapear all teh time however on different sites, all dpeends on stock and or updates the retailer may be doing......
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That's only if he takes the lump sum...which he should. I'm not shedding tears for anyone who just won ~$165 million.

He didn't win $165 million, he won $338 million. Think about that........
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He didn't win $165 million, he won $338 million. Think about that........

Not to drag this out anymore, but the eprson you quoted was talking about take home not total......
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If the ST60 has noticeably improved sharpness
I'm not sure why anyone would expect to see improved sharpness. These displays can already resolve all (luma) detail from a 1920x1080 source. There's no higher to go in 1080p.

Unless you meant something different?

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^And here I go contributing to the OT. ;0 I think par4's point is the winner's take-home total is a "mere" (relatively speaking) 49% of his total winnings, the rest being pocketed by you know who.
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Wasn't there only problems when viewing it from too close up?


so i saw someone say this, but i saw multiple photos from different sources and apparent distances, so at this point in time it still looks like an axis issue to me.
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For a 64 inch Samsung, standing about four feet from the screen with eye level about one foot above the top of the screen, the bottom six inches or so of the screen starts to dim. I don't watch TV from that position. smile.gif

There is absolutely no off angle dimming.

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I'm not sure why anyone would expect to see improved sharpness. These displays can already resolve all (luma) detail from a 1920x1080 source. There's no higher to go in 1080p.

Unless you meant something different?

The F8500 is probably the sharpest plasma to date, much sharper than the 50 series.
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For a 64 inch Samsung, standing about four feet from the screen with eye level about one foot above the top of the screen, the bottom six inches or so of the screen starts to dim. I don't watch TV from that position. smile.gif

There is absolutely no off angle dimming.

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The angle you describe sounds a lot like what a mounting above a mantle would look like. Does it dim if looking from the bottom up? Sounds like it would require a good mount that could be tilted just right.
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The angle you describe sounds a lot like what a mounting above a mantle would look like. Does it dim if looking from the bottom up? Sounds like it would require a good mount that could be tilted just right.

I think 4 feet from 64" should be taken into account. biggrin.gif
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I think 4 feet from 64" should be taken into account. biggrin.gif

I was, but you see its really not the distance, its the angle of attack you look at the filter as described if he's correct about it being the filter. So the angle from 4ft away and 1ft up is more aggressive than a couch 10ft back and tv relatively level. Put the TV 8-10ft away and then mount it 7ft up the wall and you start to see what I mean.
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so i saw someone say this, but i saw multiple photos from different sources and apparent distances, so at this point in time it still looks like an axis issue to me.

You may need to read a bit closer in teh thread, thos pictures were taken formabout 3 feet or closer to the TV.....smile.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gif
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The angle you describe sounds a lot like what a mounting above a mantle would look like. Does it dim if looking from the bottom up? Sounds like it would require a good mount that could be tilted just right.

I think thepoint Larry was trying to make is that unles syou watch a 64" form 4 feet or closer you dont ahve anything to worry about....the only time the filter affects the viewing is at very close distances.....
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I was, but you see its really not the distance, its the angle of attack you look at the filter as described if he's correct about it being the filter. So the angle from 4ft away and 1ft up is more aggressive than a couch 10ft back and tv relatively level. Put the TV 8-10ft away and then mount it 7ft up the wall and you start to see what I mean.

I think neck problems would be your first concern, but I kind of see your point.
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