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As much as I love plasmas (I own the 60ST60) I wouldn't go with plasma if you will have sunlight shining directly on it. These are bright, but not as bright as the sun. cool.gif If I read your post correctly, you will have direct sunlight during sunset. If you watch TV during that time and you own a plasma, it will be washed out.

In reference to the possibility of these being disco'd, I read this morning that Panasonic is exiting the plasma TV business by March of next year. Don't know if that means this is the last of their plasma models or not. New models are usually released in March to late April of each year. So sad to me that plasma is going away! Glad I got mine when I did 2 weeks ago).
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As much as I love plasmas (I own the 60ST60) I wouldn't go with plasma if you will have sunlight shining directly on it. These are bright, but not as bright as the sun. cool.gif If I read your post correctly, you will have direct sunlight during sunset. If you watch TV during that time and you own a plasma, it will be washed out.

In reference to the possibility of these being disco'd, I read this morning that Panasonic is exiting the plasma TV business by March of next year. Don't know if that means this is the last of their plasma models or not. New models are usually released in March to late April of each year. So sad to me that plasma is going away! Glad I got mine when I did 2 weeks ago).

I knew the answer when asking, was just hoping someone would convince me other wise

I actually have trouble seeing my LCD at certain times of the day
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I knew the answer when asking, was just hoping someone would convince me other wise

I actually have trouble seeing my LCD at certain times of the day

Venetian blinds ... window shades ... curtains ... black-out curtains. Especially if it even wipes out the LCD. Alternatively ... re-arrange the room. Move the couch to the opposite wall, or to the 90 degree wall ... whichever works best. Why suffer the setting sun if you want to watch TV. We were worried that a plasma screen would be wiped out in our normal lit room. Big sliding glass door just to the left of the TV, but a Northern exposure, and a balcony overhang 3 feet out from the wall. Still light coming in but not bright sunlight. This 60ST60 handles it with ease, we still have a great picture. The only time we turn down the lights is watching a movie for the movie theater effect. Normal TV watching, mostly Apple TV and On-Demand stuff, we don't even close the blinds.

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How is this TV with direct sunlight? I was planning on waiting a few years till I finished my basement, but now that Panasonic seems to be discontinuing these I might by one now

My couch sits in front of a bay window that faces west, TV mounted on wall directly across

I don't want to buy a TV to sit on it for 3 years, but I don't want to use it if I can't see it during the day rolleyes.gif
I wouldnt buy any tv and watch it in direct sunlight.

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It is definitely off topic and there are threads already dedicated to that. Please everyone post there and dont clog this thread up with a bunch of rumors.

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/30#post_23818931
This should make it easy. If you would like to discuss this please do so in this thread.

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How is the built in browser?

I use Boxee, which is a pain, slow, and some sites don't even work.

I plan on getting the 65" ST60, but curious is I will still need to buy something to browse (I've heard most built in smart tv browsers are not very good at all)
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This was inevitable. If you know electronics you knew when they announced they've stopped R&D this was very likely the last year for Panny plasmas. No R&D = no product.
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Ok thanks. Good to know. Its just weird that some peolpe say ist so black, that they cant even see the bezel.
But nevertheless the pq is really good smile.gif

People often don't speak very precisely. What they mean is that the bezel can disappear when there is sufficient content on the screen. For the Panasonic plasmas, this threshold is pretty low, and I say that as someone who usually watches in an almost pitch black room, lit up only by dimmed device LEDs. When the black bars or background are slightly visible, at least they aren't fluctuating in brightness or exhibiting flashlighting or other uniformity defects like LED sets. I had a Sony HX850 for a while, a highly regarded edge-lit set with zone-dimming (16 rectangular zones - whoopie!), and I thought it was terrible due to all the brightness fluctuations both in the bars and content. It could get dark with the right material, but the fakery was frequently revealed in dark scenes, the very scenes the zone-dimming was intended to help. Disable the dimming, and the black levels and uniformity were truly horrible. It's why I got the ST60, which is not without its problems, but it's less frequently annoying than the HX850 was.
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I agree. I had the Vizio 55" with about 200 local zones dimming and even that still proved to be quite annoying after a while. The black level without zone dimming was mediocre and unwatchable in a dimly lit room, but the blooming and highlight dimming was very unsatisfying as well, with the dimming activated. Ended up buying an 80" Sharp with full array LED and NO gimmicks (80-632U). I installed a 16 foot string of LED lighting behind the screen to add a bit of ambient lighting and am now extremely satisfied with the no gimmick black level and bright highlights that really POP! It is quite amazing how much a bit of ambient lighting lowers the apparent black floor level with no downside and less stressful viewing.
In fact, I was so pleased with the viewing improvement that I canceled my order for the 60-ST60. Not totally sure if I made the right choice but I sure am enjoying my TV viewing these days.

Amazon sells it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040FJ27S/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

An exceptional deal considering the free shipping and the full adjustability of the lights.
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Can you set those for a constant white light? Are they 6500k?

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It is definitely off topic and there are threads already dedicated to that. Please everyone post there and dont clog this thread up with a bunch of rumors.

Sorry Bond, please feel free to move this entire post or I can delete it for you. biggrin.gif

PS: I wish it was only a rumor buddy as I think Panasonic makes the best Plasma displays out, but it's diffidently not a rumor. All this news reminds me of Pioneer and their exit history from Plasma display technology all over again, what a scenario to repeat.

 

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This should make it easy. If you would like to discuss this please do so in this thread.

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Can you set those for a constant white light? Are they 6500k?

You can buy something very similiar with a full roll of lights on ebay for $15. The link has been posted in this thread a few times.
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You can buy something very similiar with a full roll of lights on ebay for $15. The link has been posted in this thread a few times.
Thanks. Ive seen those posts. I have some that are different from those but I was wondering about the ones that billdag bought.

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Thanks. Ive seen those posts. I have some that are different from those but I was wondering about the ones that billdag bought.
Pretty sure you can as there are 2 custom modes where you can set RGB levels individually. Each light has red, green, and blue.
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Pretty sure you can as there are 2 custom modes where you can set RGB levels individually. Each light has red, green, and blue.
Thanks. I'll read the Amazon reviews and see if I can find the answer.

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True black on an all black screen is difficult to achieve. Good news is...how often do you watch an all black screen?

The deeper the inky black levels the more your colors will pop out. Additionally all movies fade to black scenes or have very dark scenes in them, which anyone who cares about picture quality will clearly tell you is very important in picture quality. Deep inky black levels are number one on the list and for good reason. wink.gif

 

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The deeper the inky black levels the more your colors will pop out. Additionally all movies fade to black scenes or have very dark scenes in them, which anyone who cares about picture quality will clearly tell you is very important in picture quality. Deep inky black levels are number one on the list and for good reason. wink.gif
I find it rather amusing that no one has ever complained about the black levels at a movie theater. They are actually quite poor! Much worse, in fact, than my no gimmick Sharp 80". I agree that black level is important, but.....only to a certain extent. Older LCD's and Plasmas had horrible black levels that made for very unsatisfying viewing of dark scenes. I find that today's better sets may not have inky black levels but they are quite close. So much so that dark scenes can be very satisfying especially when there is some bright highlights in the scene.

Other viewers insist that contrast ratio is the most important for a satisfying picture. Picture resolution is considered much less important.

In my opinion, any one of the basic display parameters can utterly destroy the viewing experience. The bigger point is that once you arrive at an adequate contrast ratio, black level, resolution, overall color accuracy, and motion smearing then I am inevitably drawn to the resolution of the display. That is just my two bits, but After 14 years of enjoying Hi-Def displays starting with my Pioneer Elite 58" rear projection I am still bowled over by something like a 1080P Pixar movie.

On a humorous note, I recently came across an old Video magazine and read a review of a plasma set in 1998 or thereabouts. It was a 42" and cost about $45,000.00. It's rated contrast ratio was 65 to 1 !!!!! The test however only measured about 35 to 1!!!! How far we've come..........
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The deeper the inky black levels the more your colors will pop out. Additionally all movies fade to black scenes or have very dark scenes in them, which anyone who cares about picture quality will clearly tell you is very important in picture quality. Deep inky black levels are number one on the list and for good reason. wink.gif
Again. Who watches an all black screen? I didnt say black screens with colors in them or dark scenes. Those are easier to achieve a true black than an all black screen. Same with an all white screen.

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On a humorous note, I recently came across an old Video magazine and read a review of a plasma set in 1998 or thereabouts. It was a 42" and cost about $45,000.00. It's rated contrast ratio was 65 to 1 !!!!! The test however only measured about 35 to 1!!!! How far we've come..........
Bought our first Panny plasma early in 2001. 42" for $5K. Had to be mail ordered - brick and motar stores didn't carry them. Not HD, of course. Massive change from our bulky Sony top of the line monitor (25"?). Panny had a dull black border, not the tacky shiny one they have now.
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Bought our first Panny plasma early in 2001. 42" for $5K. Had to be mail ordered - brick and motar stores didn't carry them. Not HD, of course. Massive change from our bulky Sony top of the line monitor (25"?). Panny had a dull black border, not the tacky shiny one they have now.
Around that same time frame, I remember strolling thru a department store and sitting inconspicuously on a shelf was a 50" Nakamichi plasma for $10,000... and it was a Sam's Club store!

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This was inevitable. If you know electronics you knew when they announced they've stopped R&D this was very likely the last year for Panny plasmas. No R&D = no product.


---That article did say, "When reached for comment, the company said that nothing had been decided." I bet plasma tech has 1-2 years left in it. However, no real PQ improvements.
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If you believe that Panasonic still has not made a decision at this late date, just three months away from CES 2014, I have a lovely bridge that I will sell you for 40% below what it cost me to build it, and I will throw in free shipping. If they were going to keep manufacturing Plasma sets in 2014 they would know that already, and they would have said so.

 

Greenland is spot on!

 

I work for a large electronic manufacturer, verifying technical data for the electronic components we use in production.  We don't build for Panny, but I can say that I'm currently verifying parts we're not going to need for production till way into 2014!

 

Panasonic knows 100% right now if they're going to be building Plasma sets for the 2014 model year.  They would need to be buying the parts as we speak and are probably already being built.

 

The only "official" news I've seen from Panasonic is that they're going to cease Plasma panel R&D by March 2014.  They have not 'officially' announced they will cease panel production, but it doesn't bode well.  I personally believe they will have some 2014 models, but it doesn't look good for 2015 Panasonic plasmas.

 

Given that news, I have a 60ST60 due for delivery Monday!  That will have to do me until the next technology emerges and gets some maturity.


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I also decided on the ST60 60" rather than overspend now for plasma when what I really want is UHD-OLED when the price comes down.
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Yeah...

 

I don't know that I'm quite the videophile that many are here, but I worked in the TV broadcast industry for about 10 years and was an Engineer for part of that.  As a result, I am MUCH more picky about PQ on a TV than the average consumer.

 

I've known for a couple of months that I was going to be upgrading my current TV, I was just hoping to stall till next Spring or Summer.  I have one of the last of the Toshiba CRT-RPTV's that I felt looked quite good, but it has been showing some warm-up issues in the horizontal scanning recently, so I knew replacement was coming.

 

When I saw the news about Panasonic Plasmas, I knew I had to make my move soon.  Luckily I have already been doing research on the available Plasma sets, so I knew more or less what I wanted.  I would have liked to get a VT or ZT, but like many, I couldn't justify the cost.  I think the ST60 should get me 90%+ of the performance for quite a bit less money!

 

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so i am coming up on the 100 hour mark and was wondering about Calibration. i am only a beginner with all this but i would like to learn and also something a little more in depth then the basic controls. what do you guys recommend i get? something that walks you through it would be nice. i am not familiar with a lot of the terminology right now. but i am a fast learner.

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right now i have the Disney WoW disc.

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if possible i would like something not specific to just Plasma's. i have friends and family i would like to maybe do this for and they have LCD's. and some have even older DLP TV's.
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My internet connection is fine.....Netflix works fine but You tube and Amazon etc. wont work. I just get screen loading with Amazon and a blank white screen with you tube. These apps worked fine before. Maybe the upgrade software I did????? Thanks for any help.

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My internet connection is fine.....Netflix works fine but You tube and Amazon etc. wont work. I just get screen loading with Amazon and a blank white screen with you tube. These apps worked fine before. Maybe the upgrade software I did????? Thanks for any help.

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