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Asked this question a few pages back. But does anyone know how to connect a Bluetooth keyboard to the ST60, or if its even possible? I'm using the Melee F10 via USB, but would prefer bluetooth input

In Menu - Setup - System you can add the USB keyboard as long as it does not require drivers. This is on Page 144 of the User Manual, e-Help found on the TV. I do not have a USB keyboard myself, so have not had the fun of setting one up. You should be able to pair it just as you would pair the light pen, which was a no-brainer , fully automatic.

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These links may give you some background.

Two Types of IR - Part I

Two Types of IR - Part II

Avoid and Remove IR.

I do appreciate the reposting of these links, as I have read before (having read this whole thread before purchase).

It is true that if you don't have a whitish content you will not notice this, but once I noticed it I wanted to get rid of it, as a learning exercise at least.

Was not the Short-duration IR which I see as soon as I have left the pany app menu.

I was just surprised 45 minutes of Fox World Series could lead to IR that lasted over 6 more hours of regular viewing of other content, and thought I would report that to other new owners of this set. Flipping pixels now.
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I was just surprised 45 minutes of Fox World Series could lead to IR that lasted over 6 more hours of regular viewing of other content, and thought I would report that to other new owners of this set. Flipping pixels now.
It is surprising.

If you're mixing your viewing material, and can't see the IR with normal material, I don't suppose that it makes much difference how long it takes to disappear. It's a standard rule at AVS that IR comes to those who look for it much faster than it comes to those who sit and wait. wink.gif

You are better read than most new owners.

Enjoy. smile.gif

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Asked this question a few pages back. But does anyone know how to connect a Bluetooth keyboard to the ST60, or if its even possible? I'm using the Melee F10 via USB, but would prefer bluetooth input

The TV only uses Bluetooth for the 3D glasses.
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It is surprising.

If you're mixing your viewing material, and can't see the IR with normal material, I don't suppose that it makes much difference how long it takes to disappear. It's a standard rule at AVS that IR comes to those who look for it much faster than it comes to those who sit and wait. wink.gif

You are better read than most new owners.

Enjoy. smile.gif

I can see that's true because my wife would not have seen it if I had not noticed it while up close to the unit during grey background. And after it faded some, I am using the Dnice slides to get a whitish grey background up just to look for it, while ignoring the short-duration IR stuff from the app menu just entered

After 7 hours of flipping it has diminished, but I can still barely make out the BO from Boston so that has improved noticably to point where now the shape in upper left that bordered the SL and BOS is the main thing still slightly visible.

Commencing more flipping.
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I saw the VT60 in action at my local Best Buy(in magnolia room) and it looked amazing. Just got back from Fry's and was looking at the ST60, and honestly, it's pretty close to the VT60 imo. Also, the ST60 definitely had better light output.hCWpp
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Hi guys, I need some info from you.
The thing is I live in Iceland and the voltage is 230V/50Hz. I am thinking about having a buddy of mine bring a 55" ST from the US on one of his trips across(ferry pilot).
What I need to know is are the US versions of the ST just 110V/60Hz or are they multi?? The main problem would be the Hz, it´s easy to get a converter for the voltage.

Can any of you guys confirm this for me??smile.gif
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Hi guys, I need some info from you.
The thing is I live in Iceland and the voltage is 230V/50Hz. I am thinking about having a buddy of mine bring a 55" ST from the US on one of his trips across(ferry pilot).
What I need to know is are the US versions of the ST just 110V/60Hz or are they multi?? The main problem would be the Hz, it´s easy to get a converter for the voltage.

Can any of you guys confirm this for me??smile.gif

They are 120V 60Hz NTSC. There's very little multi voltage or multi system electronics available in the U.S, they pretty much have to be imported if you want them.
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Hi guys, I need some info from you.
The thing is I live in Iceland and the voltage is 230V/50Hz. I am thinking about having a buddy of mine bring a 55" ST from the US on one of his trips across(ferry pilot).
What I need to know is are the US versions of the ST just 110V/60Hz or are they multi?? The main problem would be the Hz, it´s easy to get a converter for the voltage.

Can any of you guys confirm this for me??smile.gif



Many of the electronics available here in the US are available in 230 volt. I'd call Panasonic directly.
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I've had my P60ST60 for 6 months now and really love it. I moved and had to downgrade from a projector due to house constraints in our new location. Really impressive set. One question: I searched but did not find a definitive answer. Is it possible to get Dolby Digital output from any of the TV apps (including Netflix)?
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I've had my P60ST60 for 6 months now and really love it. I moved and had to downgrade from a projector due to house constraints in our new location. Really impressive set. One question: I searched but did not find a definitive answer. Is it possible to get Dolby Digital output from any of the TV apps (including Netflix)?
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Can anyone tell me if a 60ST60 will be a big step up from an 55ST30?
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Can anyone tell me if a 60ST60 will be a big step up from an 55ST30?

Well i can confirm that it's a big step up from a GT50, and the GT50 was a big step up from the ST30 . . . . wink.gif
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Well i can confirm that it's a big step up from a GT50, and the GT50 was a big step up from the ST30 . . . . wink.gif

Good to hear.

I am just stuck on the size. This TV will be in the family room where we sit 10 feet away, the TV will mostly be used for football and network TV shows, while the ST30 will retire to the movie room (where we have a little 46 inch now).

I am just stuck on either getting the 65S60/64 or the 60ST60 and need the TV to last at least 5 years.
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Can you guys stand watching SD content on your 65" ST60? How is the image upscale quality?
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Not to promote Samsung here but I believe I read the SD stuff looks good on top end samsung.Just can't remember if it was e or f series.I think it's on both.Just not sure if f series improved SD.
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Many of the electronics available here in the US are available in 230 volt. I'd call Panasonic directly.

They are only available here as imports and are way overpriced.
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They are only available here as imports and are way overpriced.

But do you know if the ST is for 110V/60Hz or multi voltage??
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They are only available here as imports and are way overpriced.



What about your friend ordering one here in the US and bringing it with him? I'd figure out a way to get around those high prices you guys pay over there, which IMO is ridiculous.
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What about your friend ordering one here in the US and bringing it with him? I'd figure out a way to get around those high prices you guys pay over there, which IMO is ridiculous.

Yeah I know, if I buy a 55" here it would be around 3500. Where would you recommend I check on the 230V versions??
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Yeah I know, if I buy a 55" here it would be around 3500. Where would you recommend I check on the 230V versions??



I would call Panasonic and possibly order direct from them. What country are you from?
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Hi guys, I need some info from you.
The thing is I live in Iceland and the voltage is 230V/50Hz. I am thinking about having a buddy of mine bring a 55" ST from the US on one of his trips across(ferry pilot).
What I need to know is are the US versions of the ST just 110V/60Hz or are they multi?? The main problem would be the Hz, it´s easy to get a converter for the voltage.
Can any of you guys confirm this for me??smile.gif

I don't think any of the 240v to 120v Voltage Converters are capable of also converting the Hz from 50Hz to the necessary 60Hz. A friend of mine got transferred to Germany and took his new Sony XBR LCD TV and DVD Player and other electronic equipment with him. The base's electronic guru fixed him up with a few voltage converters and while it worked on little stuff like his shaver and blow dryer, his TV image was all "scrambled" as he called it and nobody there was able to get it to properly display an image. He contacted Sony in Germany and they told him it's a common question there since there are so many US Military members bring their stuff from home) and that sorry but the USA version isn't compatible with the German power grid. He ended up shipping the TV back to family members here in the USA.


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Many of the electronics available here in the US are available in 230 volt. I'd call Panasonic directly.

While there may be some small electronic items that are dual-rated for 120v/240v @ 60Hz/50Hz (by simply switching out the 120V US power cord with a Euro 240V cord), I'm not aware of any Plasma TVs sold in North America that are also available here in 230 volt. There's just no need for them to build this capability into their TVs since there is no market for it to justify the extra expense to do so, and they only authorize the TV for use in the country that it's originally sold it. Which reminds me - the warranty is void if the TV is used in another country - it's only valid in the USA so if anything goes wrong with that TV out of country, it may be difficult if not impossible to get repaired - even if you pay out of pocket.


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But do you know if the ST is for 110V/60Hz or multi voltage??

All North American Panasonic TVs are specifically 120V @ 60Hz. For it to work with a 240v to 120v Voltage Converter it would have to at least be rated for 60Hz/50Hz, but it's not.

I think the small international travel wallplug style voltage converters you can buy for shavers and cell chargers etc only work if the device is dual-rated.

I suggest you research larger 240V-to-120V Voltage Converters sold in the European (or Icelandic/Scandanavian) markets and see if any of them are capable of also converting the Hz from 60 to 50, and if they'll work on a Television set.

If anyone is going to know how to get a 120V North American TV to work in a 240V country, they would be on the UK-based AVForums Plasma forum and LCD forum since they cover the European countries which are all 240V @ 50Hz. I would check those forums and see if anyone there was able to get an imported US TV to work there, and find out if they found a voltage converter that also converts Hz (or found any sort of "Hertz Converter" if there's even such a thing.

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I don't think any of the 240v to 120v Voltage Converters are capable of also converting the Hz from 50Hz to the necessary 60Hz. A friend of mine got transferred to Germany and took his new Sony XBR LCD TV and DVD Player and other electronic equipment with him. The base's electronic guru fixed him up with a few voltage converters and while it worked on little stuff like his shaver and blow dryer, his TV image was all "scrambled" as he called it and nobody there was able to get it to properly display an image. He contacted Sony in Germany and they told him it's a common question there since there are so many US Military members bring their stuff from home) and that sorry but the USA version isn't compatible with the German power grid. He ended up shipping the TV back to family members here in the USA.
While there may be some small electronic items that are dual-rated for 120v/240v @ 60Hz/50Hz (by simply switching out the 120V US power cord with a Euro 240V cord), I'm not aware of any Plasma TVs sold in North America that are also available here in 230 volt. There's just no need for them to build this capability into their TVs since there is no market for it to justify the extra expense to do so, and they only authorize the TV for use in the country that it's originally sold it. Which reminds me - the warranty is void if the TV is used in another country - it's only valid in the USA so if anything goes wrong with that TV out of country, it may be difficult if not impossible to get repaired - even if you pay out of pocket.
All North American Panasonic TVs are specifically 120V @ 60Hz. For it to work with a 240v to 120v Voltage Converter it would have to at least be rated for 60Hz/50Hz, but it's not.

I think the small international travel wallplug style voltage converters you can buy for shavers and cell chargers etc only work if the device is dual-rated.

I suggest you research larger 240V-to-120V Voltage Converters sold in the European (or Icelandic/Scandanavian) markets and see if any of them are capable of also converting the Hz from 60 to 50, and if they'll work on a Television set.

If anyone is going to know how to get a 120V North American TV to work in a 240V country, they would be on the UK-based AVForums Plasma forum and LCD forum since they cover the European countries which are all 240V @ 50Hz. I would check those forums and see if anyone there was able to get an imported US TV to work there, and find out if they found a voltage converter that also converts Hz (or found any sort of "Hertz Converter" if there's even such a thing.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs.82/

http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-and-led-lcd-tvs.155/



Why go through all that? My point is to try and buy a European model here by his friend. If it's possible, but he doesn't know till he calls Panasonic.
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Yeah I know, if I buy a 55" here it would be around 3500. Where would you recommend I check on the 230V versions??
Wow, that is a bit of change. It is hard to get manufacturers to give this information as they do not want there products exported. Good luck in your quest though........

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Why go through all that? My point is to try and buy a European model here by his friend. If it's possible, but he doesn't know till he calls Panasonic.

Because i am 100% positive that Panasonic USA can not and will not sell a European model to anybody in the USA.

And the US retailers will not be able to come up with one since there are no European models in any distribution center anywhere in North America.

Ain't gonna happen, no need for him to even bother calling either Panasonic USA or Panasonic Iceland.

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Wow, that is a bit of change. It is hard to get manufacturers to give this information as they do not want there products exported. Good luck in your quest though........



But aren't they also exported to the US? I find the high prices the European's and other countries pay outright price gouging.
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Because i am 100% positive that Panasonic USA can not and will not sell a European model to anybody in the USA.

And the US retailers will not be able to come up with one since there are no European models in any distribution center anywhere in North America.

Ain't gonna happen, no need for him to even bother calling either Panasonic USA or Panasonic Iceland.



I thought it was worth a shot. Again price gouging at it's finest. Then I guess I would look into a converter of some sort.



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If one of these won't work I'm sure someone makes the correct converter.
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But aren't they also exported to the US?

No. Their North American (USA and Canada) models are built in North America (Mexico).


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I find the high prices the European's and other countries pay outright price gouging.

Actually i don't think the other countries' higher prices are price gouging, the Euro countries have a higher cost of doing business and also a higher cost of shipping from the European continent's assembly plant, plus their market is vastly smaller then the NA market and is also nowhere near as competitive as it is in the USA. The lower the volume, the higher the prices.

Profit margins in the USA are much smaller than in Euro countries - it's a whole different economy here than it is there and competition in the US is so cut-throat that US retailers have to have very slim profit margins to get a sale.

The USA is Panasonic's largest consumer of Plasma TVs but despite the high volume there just isn't enough profit margin on Plasma TVs which is one of the reasons Panasonic's Plasma division is losing money. I'm in the wholesale electrical/electronic business and i can't for the life of me understand why Panasonic has been pricing their Plasma TVs so incredibly low to the point where they are not profitable. They could have easily placed their MSRP $50-$100 higher on the 2012 and 2013 models and stil sell every unit.

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No. Their North American (USA and Canada) models are built in North America (Mexico).
Actually i don't think the other countries' higher prices are price gouging, the Euro countries have a higher cost of doing business and also a higher cost of shipping from the European continent's assembly plant, plus their market is vastly smaller then the NA market and is also nowhere near as competitive as it is in the USA. The lower the volume, the higher the prices.

Profit margins in the USA are much smaller than in Euro countries - it's a whole different economy here than it is there and competition in the US is so cut-throat that US retailers have to have very slim profit margins to get a sale.

The USA is Panasonic's largest consumer of Plasma TVs but despite the high volume there just isn't enough profit margin on Plasma TVs which is one of the reasons Panasonic's Plasma division is losing money. I'm in the wholesale electrical/electronic business and i can't for the life of me understand why Panasonic has been pricing their Plasma TVs so incredibly low to the point where they are not profitable. They could have easily placed their MSRP $50-$100 higher on the 2012 and 2013 models and stil sell every unit.



Someone is gouging Randy! $1,400 here and $3,500 there for the 60ST60.
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Someone is gouging Randy! $1,400 here and $3,500 there for the 60ST60.

Is it really 3500 US dollars, or 3500 of some other currency?
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