Originally Posted by Stump909
Apparently owners/users of both the ST50 and ST60 series have noticed app load times on the ST60 are significantly less delayed (implying that they are running in the background to a certain degree). If they're connected the internet, there's a chance (based on my experience with other applications) they are occasionally pulling data from the web. Any sort of background activity will pull away resources from the image processing...just a thought.
There are some apps that are instantly loadable once you run them. The paint program for the touch pens is one, it loads instantly. No loading screen, no connecting, so I'm guessing it's constantly cached or always on.
Other apps that require the web will take time to connect, you can easily tell these by the... Connecting... spinny logo.
Then, there are apps that can only be launched from a customized Home page. Home pages are set up via the Home menu that have a range of Full screen regular content, or a picture-in-picture option with apps running alongside the video content.
Originally Posted by Atty
While I am not sure what good it will do me I have contacted Panasonic customer support about the input lag issue.
I've gone one step further and disabled the wireless internet on my device hoping that it would alleviate some of the processing stress and maybe in turn boost input response. I will be playing Halo 4 again soon to see if I notice a difference.
E: They've escalated me. I will get a call back in "24-40 hours".
Could you post about this in the input lag thread please? I emailed them and pretty much got nothing, they asked for what problems I was having even though I sent them a list of the problems I was having...
Originally Posted by wattheF
I would like to hear some opinions on how well the 96hz. Mode for film content functions on the ST60.
Does it flicker? If so how much?
How is the motion?
I liked the motion of the 48hz. Mode on the 50's but it was unwatchable because of flicker. The frame interpolation of the 60hz. Bothered me for movies so I am really hoping the 96hz functions well.
No flicker unless you're in 48 Hz mode. Motion is all right, film content motion is fine although sometimes I catch glimpses of RGB trailing (see below in comments) during horizontal pans with dark objects on bright backgrounds. Game motion during horizontal camera pan, becomes very noticeable. 96 Hz and 120 Hz are both about the same if you enable 24p playback mode, which looks very nice.
Questions about Pixel orbiter. For what it's worth, I feel like it's a worthless feature. There are 2 settings, ON or AUTO. AUTO, is essentially OFF. I think they changed the name because uh, well, maybe they were getting a lot of paranoia emails and calls about burn in. So maybe they think if they convince the masses their TV is constantly working against burn in, they'll have less paranoia about it.
My thoughts on it, is that it's worthless, since it only shifts the image a tiny bit (that to my eyes is very noticeable) however, most static images and such, are not so small to be shifted. For example, a UI during a game, is still going to have the same bright spots and dark spots even if it shifts a tiny bit, so you'll still get IR anyway.
Ok, I'm going to comment on some stuff not related to input lag and in comparison to last year's UT50.
Good things about the set:
2D to 3D conversion is much nicer than on the 2012 UT50, it's a huge improvement. Is it good enough to create depth to an image on par with real 3D? Not even close, but it does offer a tiny bit of depth boost., and there are much less artifacts over the older 2012 algorithms they used, for example, text is much easier to read.
Pixel orbiter is much less noticeable, it's also much smoother of a shift and less of a jerky pop than on the UT50, but I still think it's very annoying.
Image uniformity is much nicer. I haven't noticed any DSE.
Image is very clear, and the AR filter works extremely nicely. Pleasantly surprised by the AR filter.
Gradients are much smoother. Obviously a given over the UT50, since it has more gradients, but it does make a very big difference.
Motion smoothing has been largely improved. Much less artifacts than the UT50, so that got an update as well. I actually really like the motion smoothing on 3D content, it adds another layer of realism to an already outstanding sense of depth the set offers.
Horizontal color bleeding is minimal compared to the UT50 and the ST50 (ran a test on the ST50 at the store) and much more under control.
The picture is outstanding. I can't say more than enough good things about the picture.
When 3D is enabled, all ghosting artifacts tend to disappear, see below in bad things about the set.Bad things about the set:
3D for some reason, cuts off the left and right sides of the screen. I don't recall this on my UT50, or if it did happen, it was negligible. Very noticeable on the ST60, even with all the overscan and zoom turned off. I don't understand what's going on.
Service menu takes A LOT longer to load than the UT50. Service menu doesn't have any extra options, so why it takes longer... Must be all the damn apps running.
Service menu activation still has the brightness fluctuation bug that the 2012 models had.
Service menu activation still has the auto-overscan bug, so when it loads, you get a very zoomed in image with no way to turn it off. I don't get this either, service menu should for the TV into native modes.
Hate the OS that runs on top of the TV image at all times. You can't turn it off.
My set has a pink blob, noticeable on white content. Like this forum, every time I visit it, I can see that damn pink blob.... Not sure if this will be common or not.
I noticed this on my UT50 as well, but during fast horizontal panning, with mid tone to dark objects on a light background, there is RGB trailing, and it's extremely distracting. RGB trailing, how can I describe. Say I have a white background with a dark box. If it moves fast, the left and right edges of said box will have green/red or green/blue, or red/blue, or whatever, trailing it in front and behind the box. I only notice it during 2D mode, 3D will create a slight ghost image but there is no split color trails, the colors are "converged" if you get what I mean and the image simply looks like a ghost image, and that is ok I can live with it.. Keep in mind I'm coming from CRT, this is my first real experience with plasmas. This is something I really don't like.
So there you have it. My thoughts on the set, for the people in this thread not worried about input lag and simply wondering about other features or how they compare to 2012 Pannys. If anyone has anymore questions, let me know.