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w/b missing details
high green
high blue
low green
10-100 for w/b details? or,
color detail
gamma detail
black level
cms? looks short of 3 for whatnot?
If the value is not there it is "0", the first 10 thru 100 is for WB details, second for Gamma, the ST60 doesnt have a full CMS only Red Green and Blue. Black level is always "LIGHT"
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Yeah the tv landscape is rather bleak right now, not sure what I will do if my VT60 gives out and OLED is still in the expensive unpolished stage.
Well you won't be buying LED, LOL.
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Yeah the tv landscape is rather bleak right now, not sure what I will do if my VT60 gives out and OLED is still in the expensive unpolished stage.


no worries these TVs come and go your local for sale kijji ads for a lot less then what you paid
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My 65ST60 just developed the 7 blinks problem. 13 months old, just out of Panasonic's warranty. I have Square Trade though. I'm wondering what the chances are that they can't fix it. I'm so dang upset. I can't even think of a tv I'd buy to replace it.
7 Blinks might just be the power supply which would be a fairly easy fix.

The first thing i would do is call Panasonic, explain that you're a long time loyal customer, and that your TV should not be failing a month after the warranty expires and ask them if they'll cover the repair under "Customer Goodwill". They have covered repairs such as this for many AVSers here over the past several years in month 13 and even month 14.

If they refuse, and if you bought it with a good credit card that adds one year to the manufacturer warranty, step two would be to utilize that free extra year coverage and let your credit card company cover the repair cost.

If the above two scenarios don't pan out, only then would i utilize the Square Trade warranty.
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Yeah the tv landscape is rather bleak right now, not sure what I will do if my VT60 gives out and OLED is still in the expensive unpolished stage.
Not really considered this before as I thought I'd be fixed-up until OLED works out the kinks. Now you've got me thinking...My 60ST60 is one year old this month, and thus far it's been a perfect performer on all levels. Hope it stays that way. I think if Panasonic or Square Trade had to buy me out, I'd probably go searching first for a used VT60 or ST60 from an individual owner. If Plan-A in the used TV marketplace didn't work-out then I'd probably start seriously looking at Sony.
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Are there used ST60s for sale? I've seen two used ones, a 50" for $650 that I bought in May '13 and a 60" a couple of weeks ago for $2600. My local listings cover SLC, Provo/Orem and Ogden so they cover a pretty large area with decent size cities. I look in the plasma section of the local listings daily.

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I'd sell my 60ST60 for $2600...
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I'd sell my 60ST60 for $2600...
That one is still there. Good luck at that price.
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7 Blinks might just be the power supply which would be a fairly easy fix.

The first thing i would do is call Panasonic, explain that you're a long time loyal customer, and that your TV should not be failing a month after the warranty expires and ask them if they'll cover the repair under "Customer Goodwill". They have covered repairs such as this for many AVSers here over the past several years in month 13 and even month 14.

If they refuse, and if you bought it with a good credit card that adds one year to the manufacturer warranty, step two would be to utilize that free extra year coverage and let your credit card company cover the repair cost.

If the above two scenarios don't pan out, only then would i utilize the Square Trade warranty.
I wish I had known about others getting their tv fixed after warranty expired. All I could recall was enough to know what had actually happened when it blew. I purchased through Amazon's store card. Square Trade has been fantastic so far. Parts are here and tech is coming tomorrow afternoon. The package list states 3 boards, but two of the three boxes don't look like boards.

This is my first time ever using a warranty, and I've learned a lot. Thanks Randy.

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I bought my ST60 new with zero hours. I used the "custom" display mode with some minor WB and color detail adjustments, and a contrast of 50 (which was plenty bright for me). It looked great until recently when it hit approx. 1500 hours. I had actually forgotten about my calibration settings because everything looked good.

Suddenly the picture was overall darker, dark colors were too dark (lost detail) and whites were a bit too bright. Obviously deeper colors and more contrast is not a bad thing, but I'm wondering if it's normal for these sets to undergo a somewhat big change around 1500 hours?

I live by myself and no one has touched the settings. I'm not listing my settings because it looks much different with no settings change, so previous settings isn't important.

If anyone has experienced this, I'd appreciate knowing what settings you re-calibrated to compensate.
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A broken screen 60" popped up today. Too bad I've got a 50". That's what I watch local listings for every day to get extra parts cheap in case I ever need them.
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Which is brighter the VT60 or the ST60????


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Which is brighter the VT60 or the ST60????
I seem to remember that the ST60 has the "infinite black pro" black filter and the screen was slightly brighter than the VT60 which had the slightly blacker "infinite black ultra" black filter.
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Which is brighter the VT60 or the ST60????


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Yay - my 14-month-old 55ST60 just reached 3,000 hours this morning. Still loving this TV and so glad i bought it !!


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Question has been answered multiple times in multiple threads time to give it a rest
one more question which TV gets warmer the ST or VT I would think the ST because it doesn't have fans the VT does possibly making the panel last longer
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one more question which TV gets warmer the ST or VT I would think the ST because it doesn't have fans the VT does possibly making the panel last longer
They both run pretty warm but that is normal for plasma.

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Which is brighter the VT60 or the ST60????

The ST60 gets brighter by a decent amount, but I forget by about how much.
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Yay - my 14-month-old 55ST60 just reached 3,000 hours this morning. Still loving this TV and so glad i bought it !!


Glad to hear that. Any sign of problems of any kind?
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Glad to hear that. Any sign of problems of any kind?
Only some slight but persistent station-logo IR from watching several hours of local news every day. I can see a slight shadow of the channel 5 and channel 7 logo if i look at some of the green and gray break-in slides and i sometimes see it in light colored scenes. Alternately, IR from the ESPN and FOX Sports and Velocity and NBCSN logos goes away quickly and are not persistent, but those news logos are brutally white. Early in this TVs life we watched a lot of prime time programming and movies which washed away the news logo IR, but the last several months i'm no longer watching prime time or movies and just watching news and sports and racing. Even if the IR turns out to be burn-in, it's not a big deal since there's always some sort of logo in the lower right corner no matter what channel i'm watching and i avoid looking in that corner anyway cause i hate seeing station logos (which look a lot worse then slight burn-in LOL).

Otherwise the TV is still running silently and the picture is still stunning. I'm currently testing a German Sony 40EX700 1080p LCD TV alongside the ST60 in the man room (got it free from an Air Force friend) and the ST60 is kicking it's butt in most categories (except in screen brightness in the daytime).



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My 60ST60 is connected to my HTPC, but I rarely use it as a computer screen for more than a few minutes at a time.


The on Thursday night I had a 4 hour period where I used it to watch some remote market research for my job, so I had the desktop up with Internet Explorer using about a third of the screen for a video window and there was a chat window next to it. Cognizant of the risk of IR, I moved the window around every know and then.


Next day, we watched "How to tame your dragon 2" which has lots of bright sky/cloud white scenes. You could clearly see the IR areas at the beginning of the movie. Even though I had moved the window around, the most common places I had it showed clearly the contrast lines from window borders and such.


No worries though, by half an hour into the movie it was hardly visible and by the end of the movie it was undetectable even when I looked for the IR marks. :-)


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I finally got my first IR after some marathon gaming sessions with nothing else in between them a week or so ago. It took a few days to fully go away but it's gone now. Normally I just watch something between gaming sessions and never see any IR.
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Since the last firmware update v.4.735 YouTube videos have been skipping sound every now and then. With the previous v.4.729 it was pretty smooth.
Does anyone here concur?
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Hey guys, sorry for not being able to find this in the 400 pages if someone has already brought it up. I often notice anomalies in the colors on my ST60 based on content that is in the same horizontal area. It's hard to describe without pictures, but basically if I were to bring up a pattern of horizontal stripes of varying color/brightness on one side of the screen, and a solid color on the other side, you would be able to see them on the solid side almost as "shadows" in a sense. Is this considered normal for these units? It seems to be similar to an ABL effect but it only affects content left-to-right. Another example is when I use my PC on the screen and open Chrome - the tab with the website name is way more blue than the nav bar underneath - even though these are both the same shade of grey. It's because the tab has nothing to the left or right of it, so it doesn't seem to be getting hit by any ABL even though the navigation bar underneath is. I can take a picture of this when I get home.
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Hey guys, sorry for not being able to find this in the 400 pages if someone has already brought it up. I often notice anomalies in the colors on my ST60 based on content that is in the same horizontal area. It's hard to describe without pictures, but basically if I were to bring up a pattern of horizontal stripes of varying color/brightness on one side of the screen, and a solid color on the other side, you would be able to see them on the solid side almost as "shadows" in a sense. Is this considered normal for these units? It seems to be similar to an ABL effect but it only affects content left-to-right. Another example is when I use my PC on the screen and open Chrome - the tab with the website name is way more blue than the nav bar underneath - even though these are both the same shade of grey. It's because the tab has nothing to the left or right of it, so it doesn't seem to be getting hit by any ABL even though the navigation bar underneath is. I can take a picture of this when I get home.
Well-known problem called "line-bleed", unfortunately "normal", and no, there's nothing you can do about it.
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Well-known problem called "line-bleed", unfortunately "normal", and no, there's nothing you can do about it.
Glad to hear it is not just my set, not too glad to hear the rest. But I didn't know there was a name for it, thank you!
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