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Im looking to get a 55" VT60. Just need a bigger size. Im interested in an improved AR filter too
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Anybody know if the VT has a louvre filter like the Samsung F8500, or is that only on the ZT?
The VT60 does have the Louver Filter. Panasonic invented it a year or two before that. The VT60 and ZT60 also use the same Louver Filter. The ZT60 however has a slightly darker black filter which is why the ZT has slightly better black levels, and isn't quite as bright.

Samsung actually copied Panasonic's Louver Filter and used it on the F8500 and it's almost exactly the same.

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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too.

I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter

Faster Processinng
Better Input Lag
No hesitation in the UI from lack of CPU power.

Better Audio
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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too.

I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter

Faster Processinng
Better Input Lag
No hesitation in the UI from lack of CPU power.

Better Audio
Superior front firing speakers.
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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too. I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter
Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

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Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

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So just the neutral density filter changed from model to model? The VT being the darkest and the ST being the lightest, which affected not only the black levels but the peak luminosity.

Thanks for the info.

I have a 50" ST60 and a 51" F8500 and the F8500 AR is much better at muting reflections. How would you rank the filters of the ZT, VT, ST & F8500?

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Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

Are you sure? I recall quite clearly that the ZT60 had it's own special louver filter, while the rest (i.e. the S60, ST60 and VT60) all had the same one.
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Are you sure? I recall quite clearly that the ZT60 had it's own special louver filter, while the rest (i.e. the S60, ST60 and VT60) all had the same one.
I'm pretty sure about it. I auditioned all these models extensively back then and could see no discernable difference in the Louver Filter. And i don't recall any discussion about it here or in the Panasonic Insider thread over at HDJ being any different than the lesser models either back when these models were being produced.

What i think you're remembering is that the ZT60 did have it's own special black filter (the tint that's applied to the plasma panel itself) which was darker than the other models and was the reason the ZT60 had deeper/blacker black levels and less light output. I think it was called something like Ultra Black Pro, while the lesser models were Ultra Black.

I'd verify all this in the pertinent official threads though, but i'm pretty sure about all this. FWIW


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ZT = Ultimate Black
VT = Infinite Black Ultra
ST = Infinite Black Pro

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Again, I could be wrong, but I think Randy is mistaken. The ZT60 had it's own special Louvre filter. I recall it being mentioned in the CNET reviews comparing the ZT60 to the VT60.
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That's what I recall being said at the Value Electronics King of HDTV Shootout that year. But not sure.

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That's what I recall being said at the Value Electronics King of HDTV Shootout that year. But not sure.

Yes, I think I remember that too.
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is. Pic to us is very good. HOWEVER-since you already have an ugly ST w. mirror black and mirror like silver bezel--I would look for a VT if I were looking again.
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is. Pic to us is very good. HOWEVER-since you already have an ugly ST w. mirror black and mirror like silver bezel--I would look for a VT if I were looking again.
Just got the chance to look at the 60 inch ST60 on craigslist.

Not sure if it was burn in just some heavy temporary image retention, but i see "FS1" logo and other. Seller says he watches sports most of the time with the set.

This is the setting he uses:

Custom
Contrast 90
Brightness + 33
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Cool 2 color temperature

Panel brightness high

Should i still consider this panel, or just write it off ?
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Just got the chance to look at the 60 inch ST60 on craigslist.

Not sure if it was burn in just some heavy temporary image retention, but i see "FS1" logo and other. Seller says he watches sports most of the time with the set.

This is the setting he uses:

Custom
Contrast 90
Brightness + 33
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Cool 2 color temperature

Panel brightness high

Should i still consider this panel, or just write it off ?
Contrast = 90 is on the high end of middling, and it's what really controls the light output. That's the only setting that could affect IR. I think most IR on these sets fades over time, but the only way to be sure is to try it. Problem is, it can take many hours to find out.

Brightness +33 is nuts. It suggests he's trying to compensate for a levels mismatch, which he ought to be solving with HDMI/DVI Dynamic Range. Color Temperature, Panel Brightness, and Sharpness are also wack.
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Hey guys, im having trouble deciding between 2 TVs. Im looking at picking up a 65st60, or 70" elite LCD. Both are local. Between the two, which one should i go for? I currently own a panasonic 50s64 and im looking to go bigger and get better blacks and overall picture quality. Not sure if the st60 would be a huge step up besides size.
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We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is.
While watching tv, turn down color to 0.
You should only see monochrome.
If you see a hint of green here or red tint there then yeah, that's the issue (i think)
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I've got the 60ST60 and after adjusting it three years ago to suit my preferences i havent been in those menus once. Picture is fantastic. I strongly recommend anyone to buy this model presuming it is in good shape.

Sometimes, I see dead pixels...
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