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Im looking to get a 55" VT60. Just need a bigger size. Im interested in an improved AR filter too
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Anybody know if the VT has a louvre filter like the Samsung F8500, or is that only on the ZT?
The VT60 does have the Louver Filter. Panasonic invented it a year or two before that. The VT60 and ZT60 also use the same Louver Filter. The ZT60 however has a slightly darker black filter which is why the ZT has slightly better black levels, and isn't quite as bright.

Samsung actually copied Panasonic's Louver Filter and used it on the F8500 and it's almost exactly the same.

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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too.

I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter

Faster Processinng
Better Input Lag
No hesitation in the UI from lack of CPU power.

Better Audio
Superior front firing speakers.

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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too.

I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter

Faster Processinng
Better Input Lag
No hesitation in the UI from lack of CPU power.

Better Audio
Superior front firing speakers.
Possibly loud fans.
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Thanks Randy. That's what I wanted to know. Im still looking for an Sony W800b too. I want to upgrade my 50" ST60 to a larger size an Ill probably move to a VT60 at the same time.

Better AR Filter
Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

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Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

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So just the neutral density filter changed from model to model? The VT being the darkest and the ST being the lightest, which affected not only the black levels but the peak luminosity.

Thanks for the info.

I have a 50" ST60 and a 51" F8500 and the F8500 AR is much better at muting reflections. How would you rank the filters of the ZT, VT, ST & F8500?

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Just a little FYI, The VT60 and ZT60 have the exact same AR Louver Filter as the ST60 and even the S64 Costco model. They only have one AR Filter that year, and used it on all four of those models.

Are you sure? I recall quite clearly that the ZT60 had it's own special louver filter, while the rest (i.e. the S60, ST60 and VT60) all had the same one.
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Are you sure? I recall quite clearly that the ZT60 had it's own special louver filter, while the rest (i.e. the S60, ST60 and VT60) all had the same one.
I'm pretty sure about it. I auditioned all these models extensively back then and could see no discernable difference in the Louver Filter. And i don't recall any discussion about it here or in the Panasonic Insider thread over at HDJ being any different than the lesser models either back when these models were being produced.

What i think you're remembering is that the ZT60 did have it's own special black filter (the tint that's applied to the plasma panel itself) which was darker than the other models and was the reason the ZT60 had deeper/blacker black levels and less light output. I think it was called something like Ultra Black Pro, while the lesser models were Ultra Black.

I'd verify all this in the pertinent official threads though, but i'm pretty sure about all this. FWIW


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ZT = Ultimate Black
VT = Infinite Black Ultra
ST = Infinite Black Pro

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Again, I could be wrong, but I think Randy is mistaken. The ZT60 had it's own special Louvre filter. I recall it being mentioned in the CNET reviews comparing the ZT60 to the VT60.
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That's what I recall being said at the Value Electronics King of HDTV Shootout that year. But not sure.

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That's what I recall being said at the Value Electronics King of HDTV Shootout that year. But not sure.

Yes, I think I remember that too.
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is. Pic to us is very good. HOWEVER-since you already have an ugly ST w. mirror black and mirror like silver bezel--I would look for a VT if I were looking again.
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To those who still own the ST60 series.

Does the "skin tone issue" also apply to the 60 inch version of the ST60?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/index....0002?_k=utdfal

I have the 50 incher and i must say i noticed the issue they raised in that thread.

Someone in my local craigslist is selling a 60 inch st60
I wanna see if buying the 60-65 inch versions will eliminate that issue
We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is. Pic to us is very good. HOWEVER-since you already have an ugly ST w. mirror black and mirror like silver bezel--I would look for a VT if I were looking again.
Just got the chance to look at the 60 inch ST60 on craigslist.

Not sure if it was burn in just some heavy temporary image retention, but i see "FS1" logo and other. Seller says he watches sports most of the time with the set.

This is the setting he uses:

Custom
Contrast 90
Brightness + 33
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Cool 2 color temperature

Panel brightness high

Should i still consider this panel, or just write it off ?
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Just got the chance to look at the 60 inch ST60 on craigslist.

Not sure if it was burn in just some heavy temporary image retention, but i see "FS1" logo and other. Seller says he watches sports most of the time with the set.

This is the setting he uses:

Custom
Contrast 90
Brightness + 33
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Cool 2 color temperature

Panel brightness high

Should i still consider this panel, or just write it off ?
Contrast = 90 is on the high end of middling, and it's what really controls the light output. That's the only setting that could affect IR. I think most IR on these sets fades over time, but the only way to be sure is to try it. Problem is, it can take many hours to find out.

Brightness +33 is nuts. It suggests he's trying to compensate for a levels mismatch, which he ought to be solving with HDMI/DVI Dynamic Range. Color Temperature, Panel Brightness, and Sharpness are also wack.
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Hey guys, im having trouble deciding between 2 TVs. Im looking at picking up a 65st60, or 70" elite LCD. Both are local. Between the two, which one should i go for? I currently own a panasonic 50s64 and im looking to go bigger and get better blacks and overall picture quality. Not sure if the st60 would be a huge step up besides size.
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We have the 60" ST. I don't know what "skin tone issue" is.
While watching tv, turn down color to 0.
You should only see monochrome.
If you see a hint of green here or red tint there then yeah, that's the issue (i think)
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I've got the 60ST60 and after adjusting it three years ago to suit my preferences i havent been in those menus once. Picture is fantastic. I strongly recommend anyone to buy this model presuming it is in good shape.
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I just got a used TC-P65ST60. I already have a TC-P65VT30 in another room since it originally came out.


On the ST60, the seller claimed he paid Best Buy to calibrate it 3 years ago. When I checked the settings, I found that it just has the D-Nice settings. An exact match for every setting.


Anyway, I was getting annoying IR after using the menus that would last for several minutes. After I lowered the contrast from 79 to 70, those IR issues have stopped.


There is still a minor station logo (or multiple logos) burn in at the bottom right that has faded somewhat since I got the TV. Otherwise it looks fantastic, possibly better than my VT30 which was calibrated by Value Electronics. Haven't had a chance to do critical comparisons yet, but the darker blacks are great. The TV has approximately 4650 hours on it.
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Limited (standard) vs Full (nonstandard) range

I'm pretty confused about ranges and I'm not even sure the answer lies within my TC-P60ST60. However I'd say this thread is probably a good place to start.

My setup is relatively standard: I've got an AVR (Denon X4000) on which all sources are connected and the AVR is connected to the TV. Among the various sources, there is a blu-ray player (Sony BDP-S5100) that doubles up as my main Netflix player and an HTPC.

In the past I had some trouble adjusting the colors so that the range output is correct for both movies (blu-ray playback or Netflix) and PC games or other content. I realized along the way the issue about limited/standard/16-235 vs full/nonstandard/0-255 range. The TV can be set on either standard, nonstandard, or auto range.

Using auto range, I was under the impression that the algorithm for switching modes was a bit too simplistic, i.e. set the input on limited/standard range and if values outside 16-235 are received, switch to nonstandard range. I'm not sure if this is the case at this point. The problem is, as I've got sources with likely different output ranges (blu-ray player vs PC) hooked to the same TV input via the AVR, I have no idea how to actually fix the problem if auto mode acts like a ratchet (i.e. goes up to full range but never goes back to limited range). In the past, I got blu-ray playback that was all washed out (limited range output fed to full-range input) while the TV was set on "auto".

Recently I managed to find an option in my nVidia video card driver to output limited/standard range to the TV (while simultaneously outputting full range to an attached LCD monitor). I thought that once and for all my problems would be solved, and forced the TV to standard range, with the idea that now all sources hooked the TV would use standard range.

It turns out that using these settings, watching Netflix on my blu-ray player at least, it appears that the picture is too dark (huge zones of pure black) with some washed out whites (zones of maxed out white). Clearly I'm squeezing full/nonstandard range output into the TV's limited range input.

The thing is, my blu-ray player seems to have no specific setting about color range, other than 10/12/14-bit deep color. Neither does my AVR (I was wondering if an AVR typically rescales the color range). My plan is to set the TV input setting back on "auto", but I'd really like a hint as to what's going on here, and what "auto" actually does (is there some metadata in the HDMI protocol that formally specifies the range so that the TV can switch mode without having to guess?). Do blu-ray players typically output full/nonstandard range? Are they agnostic to range to the point where blu-ray disc playback could be standard range and Netflix playback be nonstandard range? Would anybody do things differently than I do in my setup? Both the player and the TV can output or accept various types of HDMI signals and are both set to "auto": what happens in that case, do they settle on "RGB" vs "Y:Cr:Cb 4:4:4"? Can this affect the range used?

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Auto might do something if it received a signal with PC timings instead of HDTV timings, but otherwise, it has no effect AFAICT.

I've written a bunch on levels and using PCs alongside ordinary video devices like BD players. This recent message in the Kodi forum addresses everything you talked about.

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?...180#pid2460180
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I just got a used TC-P65ST60. I already have a TC-P65VT30 in another room since it originally came out.


On the ST60, the seller claimed he paid Best Buy to calibrate it 3 years ago. When I checked the settings, I found that it just has the D-Nice settings. An exact match for every setting.


Anyway, I was getting annoying IR after using the menus that would last for several minutes. After I lowered the contrast from 79 to 70, those IR issues have stopped.


There is still a minor station logo (or multiple logos) burn in at the bottom right that has faded somewhat since I got the TV. Otherwise it looks fantastic, possibly better than my VT30 which was calibrated by Value Electronics. Haven't had a chance to do critical comparisons yet, but the darker blacks are great. The TV has approximately 4650 hours on it.
How much did you pay for it if you dont mind me asking? theres a 65st60 local to me for $500 in mint condition. would i be stupid to pass that up? i just picked up a used Elite, so im not sure if its worth it...
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