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Old 03-03-2017, 03:45 PM
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After considerable research I bought a ZT 65 for myself and one for a buddy a week after. Two years later, he reports no issues with the set and neither do I. As much as I will drool over the new OLED screens coming on the market, they can wait as I wait for their prices to come down for when I find it necessary to buy one.

It appears that there are many problems that exist with the ST model...if I had had so many issues, I wouldn't have hesitated to return the monitors.

What?? The reliability of the ST,VT,ZT are the same actually you don't have to worry about panel separation on the ST
I had a ZT60 for about a month the only difference I could tell is the ZT had better blacks other then that the PQ looked exactly the same IR was just as bad on start up screen
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What?? The reliability of the ST,VT,ZT are the same actually you don't have to worry about panel separation on the ST
I had a ZT60 for about a month the only difference I could tell is the ZT had better blacks other then that the PQ looked exactly the same IR was just as bad on start up screen
He's not taking into account there were many more STs sold than VTs so there are going to be more STs with problems.
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If i recall correctly ST60 panels were basically flagship 2012 VT50 panels. This is the reason why it got raving reviews back in the day.
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If i recall correctly ST60 panels were basically flagship 2012 VT50 panels. This is the reason why it got raving reviews back in the day.

Yes, the ST60 was generally about as good as the VT50 from the previous year, and has the same calibration fine tuning menu options (and maybe even more). It might even have been a little better since I believe it can get brighter. The bottom line is the ST60 was one of the best bargains and best buys in TV history.
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I had a hard drive crash and lost my links to some of the valuable notes in this thread.

I want to run my screen wiper but can't remember how to get to it. Please remind me.

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I had a hard drive crash and lost my links to some of the valuable notes in this thread.

I want to run my screen wiper but can't remember how to get to it. Please remind me.
Without being in front of the TV I think this is it.

picture - advanced screen - screen wipe (quicker if you use the up arrow in stead of the down arrow)

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Without being in front of the TV I think this is it.

picture - advanced screen - screen wipe (quicker if you use the up arrow in stead of the down arrow)
I don't see it there.

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I don't see it there.
I would have to look when I get home but I think I mis worded it (I do not think it is advanced screen). I think it is

picture - screen - screen wipe

I will let you know for sure when I get home in about an hour.

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I had a hard drive crash and lost my links to some of the valuable notes in this thread.

I want to run my screen wiper but can't remember how to get to it. Please remind me.
Menu ---> Picture ---> Screen Settings ---> Screen Wipe

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I don't see it there.
It's called Scrolling Bar on my Australian ST60. Not sure where you live, but if you don't have a US model the naming might be different.
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Minecraft game

Has anyone played Minecraft on one of these TVs? Trying to decide whether to keep the Xbox One Minecraft bundle I've got or sell it. I've never played the game so I don't know if it's safe to play on a plasma or not. It looks like the kind of game I avoid playing on my plasmas.
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Menu ---> Picture ---> Screen Settings ---> Screen Wipe
Thanks, LCSeminole. I found it. I've run Screen Wipe for a few hours and it hasn't fixed what I thought was IR but may be burn-in. I'll run it longer.
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Built in screen wipe doesn't do much. Pixel flipper from the "Wow" disc and similar tools will work better.

Sometimes, I see dead pixels...
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Will do, I actually just started it last night. It ran for about 4 hours overnight (while I turned off the screen saver on my Oppo I forgot to turn off the no activity timer on the ST60 so it shut off after 4 hours) and I restarted it before I left for work and I am going to run it over the weekend in between me using it.

Curious how you made out with running the WOW disc for a while now???
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Curious how you made out with running the WOW disc for a while now???
Thank you for following up. It seems to have helped a bit but I am guessing either the burn is too bad to fully fix or it is just going to take more time. My hope is that a couple hundred hours of the pixel flipper is not enough to fix a few thousand hours or static images and that it will just go away over the next year or so through regular use.

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Thank you for following up. It seems to have helped a bit but I am guessing either the burn is too bad to fully fix or it is just going to take more time. My hope is that a couple hundred hours of the pixel flipper is not enough to fix a few thousand hours or static images and that it will just go away over the next year or so through regular use.

I fully expected it to take at least a week straight worth of running and probably several weeks. I would give it minimum of 4 weeks before stopping.
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I fully expected it to take at least a week straight worth of running and probably several weeks. I would give it minimum of 4 weeks before stopping.
I did run it for about 8-9 days straight before giving it a break this past Sunday after seeing it was still easily visible. I actually watched Planet Earth last night (Caves section) and there were a few spots where the burn in was really noticeable (almost seemed more noticeable than before I was running the pixel flipper but could be placebo) when they were showing the sky and some sand colored parts.

I will probably wait until this weekend and start it up for another week and spread it out over a couple months or so.

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Don't despair yet. Mine was bad even after running the pixel flipper and I thought I was doomed. Now a year later of regular viewing I can't even remember what the burn in looked like. Cleaned up nicely.

Enjoy the TV and don't stress.
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Don't despair yet. Mine was bad even after running the pixel flipper and I thought I was doomed. Now a year later of regular viewing I can't even remember what the burn in looked like. Cleaned up nicely.

Enjoy the TV and don't stress.
I hate to throw a damp rag on all this - but doesn't a plasma burn about 400w when it is running? That's about 10 kwh in a 24 hour day. In Ca. where rates are approaching 20 cents/kwh that could be a noticeable expense over a couple months.
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I hate to throw a damp rag on all this - but doesn't a plasma burn about 400w when it is running? That's about 10 kwh in a 24 hour day. In Ca. where rates are approaching 20 cents/kwh that could be a noticeable expense over a couple months.

It depends on the size, but the 65" one probably does have an average draw of around 400 watts.
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I did run it for about 8-9 days straight before giving it a break this past Sunday after seeing it was still easily visible. I actually watched Planet Earth last night (Caves section) and there were a few spots where the burn in was really noticeable (almost seemed more noticeable than before I was running the pixel flipper but could be placebo) when they were showing the sky and some sand colored parts.

I will probably wait until this weekend and start it up for another week and spread it out over a couple months or so.

One thing I forgot to mention was the Contrast setting. You want to bring that up to 100 and run it in 'Mid' brightness mode. At the very least, you should raise the Contrast up to 90 while running the pixel flipper. This will reduce the amount of time it takes running it to get the same effect.
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One thing I forgot to mention was the Contrast setting. You want to bring that up to 100 and run it in 'Mid' brightness mode. At the very least, you should raise the Contrast up to 90 while running the pixel flipper. This will reduce the amount of time it takes running it to get the same effect.
100% contrast will use the max power draw from the TV and generate the most heat possible.

Doing that for hours and hours straight is putting a lot of needless strain on the TV. Just watch the TV, the IR will either go away or it won't, it's simple as that.
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Just a little update. After a few weeks of periodically running the pixel flipper the screen issues have not gone away and in certain cases it almost seems like it is more noticeable from time to time when certain colors are on the screen. I try to keep in mind that I only watched a couple movies before doing the WOW disc so it's not like I had a lot viewing time before the process so it could just be as bad as it was and not really improving.

All that being said minus the few times a movie where it catches my eye I would say 85% of the time the issue is not a problem. I wish I would have been a little more thorough when I was checking it out as I would not have bought it if I saw the issue but I think I was just too pumped to get a new TV that I was a little quick with my test...lesson learned.

At this point I am putting a halt to the pixel flipper and will just watch the TV and hope that in time it will eventually fade as the pixels age (not even sure if this is possible but my thought is that over time the pixels should get to the point where they are emitting the same light output thus minimizing the burn in effect). Is this correct thinking or just wishful thinking on my end.

Worst case I got myself a decent basement TV for when I decide to drop the dough and go with an OLED in the future.

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All the "burn in" tools available will not work on this tv. Just watch normal full screen content & see if it eventually go away. This series specifically the ST60 has been the retentive tv I've ever owned in the Panny lineup.
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Just a little update. After a few weeks of periodically running the pixel flipper the screen issues have not gone away and in certain cases it almost seems like it is more noticeable from time to time when certain colors are on the screen.......At this point I am putting a halt to the pixel flipper and will just watch the TV and hope that in time it will eventually fade as the pixels age (not even sure if this is possible but my thought is that over time the pixels should get to the point where they are emitting the same light output thus minimizing the burn in effect). Is this correct thinking or just wishful thinking on my end.
I have successfully reduced persisent IR from the wife's FOOD NETWORK logo on my GT50 by running Slide Shows of 1920 x 1080 High Def Wallpaper Images overnight, so doing this over many many nights might help your panel.

I have hundreds of jpegs of nature scenes that i've downloaded over the years (mountains, beaches, oceans, lakes, forests, etc) on a USB drive and set the Slide Show to show each image for like 30 seconds IIRC. It did eventually wash the IR away so maybe it will work on Burn In.

They're also nice to have up on the screen as backround content when we're not actually watching TV (like when reading or chatting with guests).


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I have successfully reduced persisent IR from the wife's FOOD NETWORK logo on my GT50 by running Slide Shows of 1920 x 1080 High Def Wallpaper Images overnight, so doing this over many many nights might help your panel. -snip.
I would really appreciate it if channels use the flipping logos or clear logos or even no logos. It is a real pain for these TVs and you cannot restrict your significant other from watching some channels or you'd get the dog-house!
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My Panasonic ST60 shuts off 1 minute after power on and I get the 6 blink code I unplug re-plug Everything works fine then after about a minute it happens again powers off 6 blink code

Also I don't hear the Tick! noise when powering the TV ON/OFF like I hear on my other plasma just powers ON/OFF silently like LED/LCD TV's

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At this point I am putting a halt to the pixel flipper and will just watch the TV and hope that in time it will eventually fade as the pixels age (not even sure if this is possible but my thought is that over time the pixels should get to the point where they are emitting the same light output thus minimizing the burn in effect). Is this correct thinking or just wishful thinking on my end.

Yes, there is a good chance it will fade with time, but probably will take a least a few months and maybe up to a year.

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Worst case I got myself a decent basement TV for when I decide to drop the dough and go with an OLED in the future.

For what you paid, it's still a steal. I would have bought it at that price even knowing the IR was there.
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My Panasonic ST60 shuts off 1 minute after power on and I get the 6 blink code I unplug re-plug Everything works fine then after about a minute it happens again powers off 6 blink code

Also I don't hear the Tick! noise when powering the TV ON/OFF like I hear on my other plasma just powers ON/OFF silently like LED/LCD TV's

up-plugged it overnight did the trick for now at least whatever it was got discharged
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