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post #13861 of 13883 Old 07-09-2017, 10:25 AM
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I'm considering the purchase of either a used 50 or 60" ST60. One potential plasma posting indicates that the TV is no longer connected - to any source I would assume. Can anyone provide some buying advice relative to what to look for or do to properly test a plasma (connected or not) prior to purchase?
Bring a USB Stick loaded with jpg's of the Break In Slides and various 1920 x 1080 HD Wallpaper images (you can download these from lots of sites) and carefully check the panel for burn-in and other issues.

Maybe even bring a Blu-Ray player and connect it to the TV in the sellers home to test that out.


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Also, one of the plasmas has ~18 months of warranty remaining. How much consideration should I give to the remaining warranty?
It depends on who the warranty provider is. Some are transferrable to a new owner but some are not.

And some warranty company's terms are better than others - if the TV can't be repaired, some give you a check for the purchase price while others try to replace the TV with a junky one, or pay what they claim is current market value (pennies on the dollar). Etc.

But even if it's one of the better companies it may be almost useless since there probably are no new repair parts available for Plasma TVs (boards, power supply, etc - and panels are definitely long gone).

I wouldn't take the warranty into consideration.

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But even if it's one of the better companies it may be almost useless since there probably are no new repair parts available for Plasma TVs (boards, power supply, etc - and panels are definitely long gone).

I wouldn't take the warranty into consideration.
90% or more of parts in most electronics are generic and readily available. There would be a few proprietary ICs in these and everything else generic and easy to find. The whole board doesn't have to be replaced for most problems. I wouldn't dismiss a warranty so quickly if it's transferable.
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Most repair places only swap whole boards. They don't invest in time and skill to go beyond that, with possible exception of swapping swollen capacitors...

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Hi everyone. I've done a 15 minute search but not found any problem that seems the same as mine but apologies if this has been discussed.
I have a 4 year old P60ST60 that is probably average to low use. I returned home today after being on vacation a few weeks and began watching TV. After about an hour, it shut off (without the no input 3 minute warning). It would not turn back on. I unplugged it for over 20 minutes twice and tried a different wall outlet - nothing. The is absolutely no indication of power - no hum, led light etc.
Thoughts?
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Most repair places only swap whole boards. They don't invest in time and skill to go beyond that, with possible exception of swapping swollen capacitors...

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We're talking about warranties, not a local repair shop. If they can replace a $5 or $10 part to save a few hundred or more they will.

I've worked on electronics for over 20 years and have rarely replaced boards. Electronics tend to have the same problems per manufacturer/model. Once you know their weaknesses, repairs are usually the same thing and easy to do.

Manufacturers replace boards because it's cheaper and faster to just make extras while the products are still in production. A decent repair shop should be able to do repairs without replacing the whole board.

You guys are ignoring the fact that if it isn't repairable you still get cashed out or a replacement TV. As long as the warranty is transferable and the seller transfers it if need be, it definitely has some value.

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Thank you all for the buying advice. Is evidence of screen burn a deal breaker or can that eventually go away?
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Thank you all for the buying advice. Is evidence of screen burn a deal breaker or can that eventually go away?
Deal breaker. If you see it when you go to buy the TV has been abused.
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Hi everyone. I've done a 15 minute search but not found any problem that seems the same as mine but apologies if this has been discussed.
I have a 4 year old P60ST60 that is probably average to low use. I returned home today after being on vacation a few weeks and began watching TV. After about an hour, it shut off (without the no input 3 minute warning). It would not turn back on. I unplugged it for over 20 minutes twice and tried a different wall outlet - nothing. The is absolutely no indication of power - no hum, led light etc.
Thoughts?

Were there any strong thunder storms that hit while you were away? Might have gotten a surge through your lines from a nearby lightning strike. Whenever I leave for more than a few days, I always unplug my TV (and all the gear connected to it). A board could have been damaged. Perhaps the power supply board. Hard to tell without diagnosing it somehow.
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I am getting image retention after a very short time of the image showing. It goes away after 10 minutes or so, but this has just started happening lately.

My warranty is up in December. Is this something that could get me a replacement? I'd rather a fix, but if it gets any worse I don't think I'll be able to stand it.
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I am getting image retention after a very short time of the image showing. It goes away after 10 minutes or so, but this has just started happening lately.

My warranty is up in December. Is this something that could get me a replacement? I'd rather a fix, but if it gets any worse I don't think I'll be able to stand it.
Not sure there are any replacements to be had at this point. Not sure what they would offer, though, with the warranty still in effect. Just by chance, have you changed any of the contrast or other settings that might intensify the images making the image retention more visible?

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have you changed any of the contrast or other settings that might intensify the images making the image retention more visible?
Yeah, I adjusted the contrast from the D-Nice settings I had since I bought it.


My warranty is with Costco.
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I'm at the crossroads.....

Sell my 50 inch ST60

or

Double down by buy buying a 3D LUT box and hire a calibrator to get the most out of this TV and get good chart & real world results, and finally eliminate this problem (see quote below from the link I posted above)

I don't think a LUT box will fix the issues with these sets. The problem is that the colors can shift depending on whats on the screen. I was watching Bill Maher one night, and the bar at the bottom that comes up when they show someones name, would make the skin tones shift green. I don't see how a LUT box could account for that.
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I don't think a LUT box will fix the issues with these sets. The problem is that the colors can shift depending on whats on the screen. I was watching Bill Maher one night, and the bar at the bottom that comes up when they show someones name, would make the skin tones shift green. I don't see how a LUT box could account for that.
Can you check and see if it can be alleviated by changing the Panel Brightness setting to medium or high?
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I have this set. The states4 shows C6896. I believe this shows how many hours are on it. Was used for watching tv or blue ray only. Never any gaming. I am moving in 1 month and think I would like to sell it. It was broken in for 100 hours with the Dnice slides. It is in excellent cosmetic shape. I have original box. Can someone help with the value of it?
I live in Brooklyn NY.
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I have this set. The states4 shows C6896. I believe this shows how many hours are on it. Was used for watching tv or blue ray only. Never any gaming. I am moving in 1 month and think I would like to sell it. It was broken in for 100 hours with the Dnice slides. It is in excellent cosmetic shape. I have original box. Can someone help with the value of it?
I live in Brooklyn NY.
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Check local craigslist and see what sold on eBay recently. You have lots of people around as potential buyers but for an "old" set that is essentially unrepairable at this point if something goes wrong, with no new software updates coming, and prices on modern sets falling by the day, I would say you would be lucky to get $500. Yeah, last of the great plasma sets and all that, and I love my 60ST60, but the sun is setting and I don't think these will command high prices anymore.

I've seen some 55" near me (Indianapolis) sell for $300-400.


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I've never seen a 50", except for the one I bought for $650 in May '13, go for less than $700 around here. I don't remember 60" or 65" at all unless they had broken screens. I did just see a 60" ZT for $900 here yesterday though.
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thanks for the feedback. I really like it but in the end not worth trying to take it with me.
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I don't think a LUT box will fix the issues with these sets. The problem is that the colors can shift depending on whats on the screen. I was watching Bill Maher one night, and the bar at the bottom that comes up when they show someones name, would make the skin tones shift green. I don't see how a LUT box could account for that.
Anybody here besides you and me noticed this... Especially with ST60 sets below 60 inches ?
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I am getting image retention after a very short time of the image showing. It goes away after 10 minutes or so, but this has just started happening lately.

My warranty is up in December. Is this something that could get me a replacement? I'd rather a fix, but if it gets any worse I don't think I'll be able to stand it.
I am having the same problem too, if I watch something for about a minute and then turn the channel, I can see the image retention. The problem is getting worst has the tv gets older. I am also finding the picture not to be that sharp anymore.
Did you get an extended warranty ?
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I am having the same problem too, if I watch something for about a minute and then turn the channel, I can see the image retention. The problem is getting worst has the tv gets older. I am also finding the picture not to be that sharp anymore.
Did you get an extended warranty ?

I did. It's with Costco and ends in December.

As an example of this, I turned on the tv last night and watched one point in the tennis match(30 seconds maybe). It went to commercial and I could see the lines of the tennis court on the screen. I turned down the contrast even more. Doubt it'll change anything though.
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I did. It's with Costco and ends in December.

As an example of this, I turned on the tv last night and watched one point in the tennis match(30 seconds maybe). It went to commercial and I could see the lines of the tennis court on the screen. I turned down the contrast even more. Doubt it'll change anything though.
That what is happening to me, I am looking at the Sony X940E tv as a replacement, it gets really annoying.
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