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I have owned panny plasmas for my past 4 tv's and swore I was going to get a led tv this time, because i have younger kids, they watch cartoon network, although havent had any logo problems on my current gt25. But the reviews on this tv seems to good to pass on, I currently have a 50, and sit about 10 ft away, thinking that a 55 would probably look good. How does this set look with hockey ? Does the ice look normal white ? My gt25 does ok with hockey, although I heard the st60 has much better brightness and whites. Was thinking this set , or a Samsung f7100, but a 55" Samsung led is over 2,000, this would be much cheaper, and proably much better picture quality. Even though I have owned plasmas and gamed on them quite a bit, I read these threads, and it makes it seem like the newer Pannys have this problem.

Hockey looks great !
The ice is fine
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I have owned panny plasmas for my past 4 tv's and swore I was going to get a led tv this time, because i have younger kids, they watch cartoon network, although havent had any logo problems on my current gt25. But the reviews on this tv seems to good to pass on, I currently have a 50, and sit about 10 ft away, thinking that a 55 would probably look good. How does this set look with hockey ? Does the ice look normal white ? My gt25 does ok with hockey, although I heard the st60 has much better brightness and whites. Was thinking this set , or a Samsung f7100, but a 55" Samsung led is over 2,000, this would be much cheaper, and proably much better picture quality. Even though I have owned plasmas and gamed on them quite a bit, I read these threads, and it makes it seem like the newer Pannys have this problem.

When I'm watching hockey- Go Wings, I think it looks pretty good. LED/LCD good...no. It is a little dirty, but I think since you're used to the GT25, you'll notice an improvement on the 60. It's a sweet set for the money. I was looking at a 7 series led at Costco yesterday, and they look great, but too artificial for my tastes.
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When you guys say don't watch the channels with logo or watch 4:3, 2.40:1 movies for too long, how long is too long? I was planning on watching Django Unchained or the Hobbit then throw in a couple of Pixar movies.
In my non-professional opinion I would think that watching anything with black bars is worse then watching something with a static image. When black bars are present you are not breaking in those pixels and I would think at the beginning you want to break in everything as evenly as possible. Overtime it will probably just even itself out anyway as long as you mix up viewing types though.

I do not thin there is an exact science to how long is to long. Everyone had their own opionions and everyone's TV will act differently as well. To be safe, I would run a pixle washer or something maybe every hour for a few minutes if you have a static logo on and see how the TV is handling it. Again, you ask this question to 100 different people you will get 100 different answers from 1 hour being to long to 24 hours.
If you are both talking about the first few hundred hours or even the first 100 hours, then watching only full screen material without fixed logos is intended to get the display aged enough to be more resistant to IR. I wouldn't watch anything with black bars or fixed images during that time.

After that initial period of time just mix the content that you watch. Don't get fixated on a channel with the same fixed image for most of your viewing. Don't restrict you movie watching to only those movies with 2.35:1 aspect ratios. As long as you mix up what you watch, and don't use colored slides to search for the first traces of IR, you will be fine and your plasma display will take care of itself.

"How long is too long?" If you're watching something on Fox, and you see the ESPN logo, then you need to cut back on the time you spend at ESPN. wink.gif
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Can any 60ST60 owners provide a measurement of the distance between the top mounting holes and the top of the set? The manual makes it look like the mount holes aren't centered on the back, but rather shifted upwards. Just trying to figure out what height my mount should be.
^^^^^This would be very helpful to me as well.
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If you are both talking about the first few hundred hours or even the first 100 hours, then watching only full screen material without fixed logos is intended to get the display aged enough to be more resistant to IR. I wouldn't watch anything with black bars or fixed images during that time.

After that initial period of time just mix the content that you watch. Don't get fixated on a channel with the same fixed image for most of your viewing. Don't restrict you movie watching to only those movies with 2.35:1 aspect ratios. As long as you mix up what you watch, and don't use colored slides to search for the first traces of IR, you will be fine and your plasma display will take care of itself.

"How long is too long?" If you're watching something on Fox, and you see the ESPN logo, then you need to cut back on the time you spend at ESPN. wink.gif

So during the first 100 hours or so I can't watch any 2.40:1 movies? I don't intend to watch only 2.40:1 as I will mix it up but not being able to watch 2.40:1 movies for the first 100 hours would definitely sucks.
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So during the first 100 hours or so I can't watch any 2.40:1 movies? I don't intend to watch only 2.40:1 as I will mix it up but not being able to watch 2.40:1 movies for the first 100 hours would definitely sucks.
Most owners do what ever they want from day one. Being careful the first 100 hours is just a precaution not a rule. For myself, I would be more comfortable watching a wide movie for two or so hours than watching a baseball for football game on a new set for three to four hours. wink.gif

If you think your habits will give you a good mix then go for it any time you want. Just remember to avoid looking for IR. Don't worry about it unless you see it in normal viewing situations.
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Saw ,my first S64 at Costco in Concord CA this afternoon. p65s64. Not even powered up yet.

What was the price on it?
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At CNET.

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Hey gang,

First time caller, long time listener. I have a Panasonic Viera TH-58PZ700U which I'm happy with, but we're talking about moving it into the playroom and getting a new TV for our main viewing area. I'm a relative novice when it comes to display technology, so I'm not going to be doing uber self-calibrations and whatnot to the TV once I get it. That being said, how does the image quality compare on the ST60 versus what I already have? I honestly don't know if image quality has improved dramatically on plasmas in the past five or so years, but I'm kind of hoping it has. I will be watching Blu-Ray movies, gaming on the 360 and PS3 (and whatever comes next...PS4?), and Xfinity HD content in a room that is relatively bright during the day, although we can control the ambient lighting to an extent. That actually raises another question - is the anti-reflective coating on the ST60 better than what they used on my Z700U? I like the price point for the P65ST60, and CNET raved about it, so I'm hoping it's a good, solid choice.

Any advice you can give is appreciated.
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They're located here: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-590736/panasonic-tc-p55st60-picture-settings/
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I've found that adjusting the following gets rid of the obtrusive green push.

W/B low G:

W/B high G:

Playing with those to settings at least gave me some comfort in knowing that the overly green aspect is easily defeatable! Cannot wait to get this puppy professionally calibrated down the line!
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Hey gang,

First time caller, long time listener. I have a Panasonic Viera TH-58PZ700U which I'm happy with, but we're talking about moving it into the playroom and getting a new TV for our main viewing area. I'm a relative novice when it comes to display technology, so I'm not going to be doing uber self-calibrations and whatnot to the TV once I get it. That being said, how does the image quality compare on the ST60 versus what I already have? I honestly don't know if image quality has improved dramatically on plasmas in the past five or so years, but I'm kind of hoping it has. I will be watching Blu-Ray movies, gaming on the 360 and PS3 (and whatever comes next...PS4?), and Xfinity HD content in a room that is relatively bright during the day, although we can control the ambient lighting to an extent. That actually raises another question - is the anti-reflective coating on the ST60 better than what they used on my Z700U? I like the price point for the P65ST60, and CNET raved about it, so I'm hoping it's a good, solid choice.

Any advice you can give is appreciated.

You should go see one in a store. I have a th-50px77u and the difference is stunning to say the least. Black bars blend into the bezel. the picture is much sharper due to the "fuzzy" AR coating on mine and the depth of the picture is WOW. There is more reflection in the ST compared to mine , but it isn't bad like the S. In my Best Buy , there was a Samsung F5300 that made the black on my tv look good.

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Hey gang,

First time caller, long time listener. I have a Panasonic Viera TH-58PZ700U which I'm happy with, but we're talking about moving it into the playroom and getting a new TV for our main viewing area. I'm a relative novice when it comes to display technology, so I'm not going to be doing uber self-calibrations and whatnot to the TV once I get it. That being said, how does the image quality compare on the ST60 versus what I already have? I honestly don't know if image quality has improved dramatically on plasmas in the past five or so years, but I'm kind of hoping it has. I will be watching Blu-Ray movies, gaming on the 360 and PS3 (and whatever comes next...PS4?), and Xfinity HD content in a room that is relatively bright during the day, although we can control the ambient lighting to an extent. That actually raises another question - is the anti-reflective coating on the ST60 better than what they used on my Z700U? I like the price point for the P65ST60, and CNET raved about it, so I'm hoping it's a good, solid choice.

Any advice you can give is appreciated.

There is a noticeable difference from 2 years ago, so I would say there would be a pretty dramatic difference from your 58PZ700U. The anti glare filter is a significant upgrade from a 58PZ700U as well in both reflection and keeping the picture quality with ambient light, at least what I can remember of the tv from a couple years ago. You could also save a couple hundred dollars if you didn't need 3d and some other bells and whistles, the costco/samsclub model s64 has the same filter as the st60 but with the internals of the s60. I think the 65s64 comes in around $1400-1500.
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Just called my store in Duluth mn yesterday they had 2 now they have one i pulled the trigger and order it over the phone.... i had a feeling they be out of stock buy my day off on thursday! Only thing that sucks is to get it delivered i have to do it one a day off and the only day works for me is 2 weeks out! Do i wait tell then or friend with a pick up help me? Pretty pumped i feel like a little kid! I purchased the 2year warranty just in case i get a lemon. Better safe than sorry since this will be my last tv for a long time smile.gif
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That's right, but the water should be distiled (the kind you buy for a steam iron), and the microfiber cloth should be barely damp. You want a lens grade microfiber cloth that's bigger than the ones that come with glasses. For example this sample.

The whole idea is to protect the coating on the screen. If you rub that off, there is no way to put it back. wink.gif

I like to use a product called Purosol, which is safe for plasma screens, optical lenses, etc. I apply it with a microfiber cloth.
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Just called my store in Duluth mn yesterday they had 2 now they have one i pulled the trigger and order it over the phone.... i had a feeling they be out of stock buy my day off on thursday! Only thing that sucks is to get it delivered i have to do it one a day off and the only day works for me is 2 weeks out! Do i wait tell then or friend with a pick up help me? Pretty pumped i feel like a little kid! I purchased the 2year warranty just in case i get a lemon. Better safe than sorry since this will be my last tv for a long time smile.gif

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I thought the S64 was just the S60 with an AR filter? Can you confirm that it has the same panel as the ST60?

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I thought the S64 was just the S60 with an AR filter? Can you confirm that it has the same panel as the ST60?
It definitely IS just an S60 with an AR filter. That is the only difference. Added to the club versions to help with reflection from harsh overhead lighting. Seems to be selling at the same price (or less) as the S60. If someone is interested in the S60, the S64 seems to be a no-brainer.
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How does this set look with hockey ? Does the ice look normal white ? My gt25 does ok with hockey, although I heard the st60 has much better brightness and whites.

Here's a pic of hockey on a 65", using D-Nice's settings in Custom mode


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Here's a pic of hockey on a 65", using D-Nice's settings in Custom mode


look at those dingy, dull whites.wink.gif

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I'm a little skeptical about running slides...if this is so important why doesn't the manufacturer recommend this procedure...I've never heard of prepping a tv before... I admit I'm knew to the plasma world, but does anyone else feel the same? I also want the best pq, but I guess I need a little more convincing...did anyone not run the slides and are you satisfied with the pq? Thanks!
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look at those dingy, dull whites.wink.gif

lol right 😉

Actually hockey looks better with CNET's settings in Cinema mode since its brighter than Custom (d-nice), I just checked

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I'm a little skeptical about running slides...if this is so important why doesn't the manufacturer recommend this procedure...I've never heard of prepping a tv before... I admit I'm knew to the plasma world, but does anyone else feel the same? I also want the best pq, but I guess I need a little more convincing...did anyone not run the slides and are you satisfied with the pq? Thanks!

As I understand it, you don't have to run the slides if you are not going to use DNice's settings. The reason people run the slides is that it helps age the panel faster since they leave it running 24/7 which takes a little more than 4 days. Now if you're only going to watch the TV for a few hours a day, it would take a lot longer to achieve the 100 hours.

I plan on using CNET's settings first and after I have achieved more than 100 hours, I'll plug in DNICE settings and see how it is.
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As I understand it, you don't have to run the slides if you are not going to use DNice's settings. The reason people run the slides is that it helps age the panel faster since they leave it running 24/7 which takes a little more than 4 days. Now if you're only going to watch the TV for a few hours a day, it would take a lot longer to achieve the 100 hours.

I plan on using CNET's settings first and after I have achieved more than 100 hours, I'll plug in DNICE settings and see how it is.

That's fine, that will work, but fyi CNET does mention that their panel was aged 150 hours prior to calibration and testing..

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Can anyone comment on the differences between the S60/S64 and the ST60? I'm wondering if there will be a noticeable difference in picture quality- Im coming from an old '08 Toshiba LCD. Seeing how well received the ST60 has been, I cant imagine the S60 would disappoint me. Also, Smart features and 3D aren't important to me.
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