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White balance detail, first red at top. Change to zero
Thanks, will change that out later.

Also, thanks for the post of how to start the TV on an HDMI port and skip the whole smart screen startup. Would have never figured that one out and was a terrible idea for Panasonic to even start up the TV like that!
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Thanks, will change that out later.

Also, thanks for the post of how to start the TV on an HDMI port and skip the whole smart screen startup. Would have never figured that one out and was a terrible idea for Panasonic to even start up the TV like that!

Yeah I thought so too. Irritated me so much I actually figured that one out on my own lol
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My slides will be done today, so I have a quick question on hooking up this TV.

My AV receiver does not have HDMI connections. The way things are currently connected to my old TV is that I run HDMI from the component to the TV for video, then the digital audio is a seperate connection from the component to the receiver. I noticed that the ST60 has a digital audio out connection. Is there any downside to running HDMI to my TV, then using the TV's digital audio out back to the receiver, and avoid the direct audio connection from the component to the receiver?
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So after running slides & applying D-Nice's settings I noticed a lot of red dithering in the lower end(20-0 ire). For example: When I pulled up the black setting menu on the AVS709 Disc, I would notice red dithering & the flashing bars actually appeared a little reddish. So I decided to go ahead & calibrate custom mode last night with my Eye One Pro & Calman. I see why D-Nice applied a +2 in the lower red end. If you are doing a 20/80 2 pt calibration, red on the 20 ire pattern is pretty low. However if you take a reading at a 10 ire pattern the red was pretty high. So, I elected to only use the high rgb controls & leave the lower rgb controls alone, I later adjusted the lower rgb using the 10pt detailed adjustment. This set looked pretty darn good using the setting that D-Nice unselfishly provided, however after I calibrated my set last night, I actually got giddy. I usually don't get giddy. I'm a perfectionist by nature. The image that was produced was awesome. It produced an image that was lifelike & with extreme depth. I probably will never use 3D now biggrin.gif. Bringing back up the brightness pattern I noticed in the 17 & 18 bars there was still a little hint of red, but nothing like before. I might even go back & lower the red ire in the lower end one notch & see if I still have headroom left in the 10 pt system to adjust the 20-40 range(this range was low in red), but that's just me being a perfectionist. I wanted to post settings, graphs, & pics, but I ran out of time, because it was a bitch to calibrate this set. As soon as I get a chance I'll post the results & settings. Chris with Cleveland Plasma posted this: "That is interesting is it not......... I think the TC-P60ST60 is under priced and a great value........." in the VT60 thread & I couldn't agree more!

Edited: Due to horrible grammar & cold medicine rolleyes.gif
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So after running slides & applying D-Nice's settings I noticed a lot of red dithering in the lower end(20-0 ire). For example: When I pulled up the black setting menu on the AVS709 Disc, I would notice the red dithering & the flashing bars actually appeared a little reddish. So I decided to go ahead & calibrate custom mode last night with my Eye One Pro & Calman. I see why D-Nice applied a +2 in the lower red end. If you are doing 20/80 2 pt calibration, red on the 20 ire pattern is pretty low. However if you take a reading at a 10 ire pattern the red was pretty high. So, I elected to only use a the high rgb controls & leave the lower rgb controls alone, I later adjusted the lower rgb using the 10pt detailed adjustment. This set looked pretty darn good using the setting that D-Nice selfishly provided, however after I calibrated my set last night, I actually got giddy. I usually don't get giddy. I'm a perfectionist by nature. The image that was produced was awesome. It produced an image that was lifelike & with extreme depth. I probably will never use 3D now biggrin.gif. Bringing back up the brightness pattern I noticed in the 17 & 18 bars there was still a little hint of red, but nothing like before. I might even go back & lower the red ire in the lower end one notch & see if I still have headroom left in the 10 pt system to adjust the 20-40 range(this range was low in red), but that's just me being a perfectionist. I wanted to post settings, graphs, & pics, but I ran out of time, because it was a bitch to calibrate this set. As soon as I get a chance I'll post the results & settings. Chris with Cleveland Plasma posted this: "That is interesting is it not......... I think the TC-P60ST60 is under priced and a great value........." in the VT60 thread & I couldn't agree more!

Nice !
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So after running slides & applying D-Nice's settings I noticed a lot of red dithering in the lower end(20-0 ire). For example: When I pulled up the black setting menu on the AVS709 Disc, I would notice the red dithering & the flashing bars actually appeared a little reddish. So I decided to go ahead & calibrate custom mode last night with my Eye One Pro & Calman. I see why D-Nice applied a +2 in the lower red end. If you are doing 20/80 2 pt calibration, red on the 20 ire pattern is pretty low. However if you take a reading at a 10 ire pattern the red was pretty high. So, I elected to only use a the high rgb controls & leave the lower rgb controls alone, I later adjusted the lower rgb using the 10pt detailed adjustment. This set looked pretty darn good using the setting that D-Nice selfishly provided, however after I calibrated my set last night, I actually got giddy. I usually don't get giddy. I'm a perfectionist by nature. The image that was produced was awesome. It produced an image that was lifelike & with extreme depth. I probably will never use 3D now biggrin.gif. Bringing back up the brightness pattern I noticed in the 17 & 18 bars there was still a little hint of red, but nothing like before. I might even go back & lower the red ire in the lower end one notch & see if I still have headroom left in the 10 pt system to adjust the 20-40 range(this range was low in red), but that's just me being a perfectionist. I wanted to post settings, graphs, & pics, but I ran out of time, because it was a bitch to calibrate this set. As soon as I get a chance I'll post the results & settings. Chris with Cleveland Plasma posted this: "That is interesting is it not......... I think the TC-P60ST60 is under priced and a great value........." in the VT60 thread & I couldn't agree more!
Sounds great, would love to check out your settings.
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My slides will be done today, so I have a quick question on hooking up this TV.

My AV receiver does not have HDMI connections. The way things are currently connected to my old TV is that I run HDMI from the component to the TV for video, then the digital audio is a seperate connection from the component to the receiver. I noticed that the ST60 has a digital audio out connection. Is there any downside to running HDMI to my TV, then using the TV's digital audio out back to the receiver, and avoid the direct audio connection from the component to the receiver?

I dont think youll get 5.1 unless you go directly form the device to the AVR....Most of the recent TVs only do 2.0 sound unless the source of the audio is the TV (for instance OTA or smart apps). I could be wrong on this though
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Hey so thinking of getting a wall mount for my upcoming 65ST60.. would this monoprice one work well?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6517&seq=1&format=2

I live in canada so that mount would come with a fair bit of shipping cost but I'm ordering a bunch of stuff via monoprice anyways.

I'm using this for my 55GT50 and plan on using it for the 65ST60. Very nice mount.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=8588&seq=1&format=2
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It's a hot mess, makes it look like SD stretched to HD

Oh I'm sure it is, I was being sarcastic.. Might as well buy a Dynex display if you're using those settings on the panny plasma

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My slides will be done today, so I have a quick question on hooking up this TV.

My AV receiver does not have HDMI connections. The way things are currently connected to my old TV is that I run HDMI from the component to the TV for video, then the digital audio is a seperate connection from the component to the receiver. I noticed that the ST60 has a digital audio out connection. Is there any downside to running HDMI to my TV, then using the TV's digital audio out back to the receiver, and avoid the direct audio connection from the component to the receiver?

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I dont think youll get 5.1 unless you go directly form the device to the AVR....Most of the recent TVs only do 2.0 sound unless the source of the audio is the TV (for instance OTA or smart apps). I could be wrong on this though

Ah - I never thought about the fact that the smart TV apps have no source component outside the TV, so I will have to use that digital output to route app audio to my receiver.
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I'm using this for my 55GT50 and plan on using it for the 65ST60. Very nice mount.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=8588&seq=1&format=2

That one looks pretty nice and would save me a fair bit of money. Looks like the weight would easily handle the 65". Sometimes I worry about the fact it doesn't list it supports a 65" tv but I guess I shouldn't. Thanks! Gotta love monoprice tv mounts, already have 2.
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Panasonic ST60 Review

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/panasonic-st60-review

"A superbly performing plasma series at a great price, married to sub-par internet features"


"This the largest contrast ratio we've ever tested.

To determine a television's contrast ratio, you divide its peak luminance by its minimum luminance. We take readings based off of 20% APL (average picture level) screens, which is what most content looks like.

Like the S60 and VT60 series, the ST60 also supports a black level of 0.01 cd/m2 , which is very, very dark—an entire magnitude darker than 0.02 cd/m2 , for example. At a Panel Brightness of Low, and max contrast, the ST60's peak brightness at 20% APL was 131.56 cd/m2 , which is rather bright for a plasma, and is much brighter than most of Panasonic's 2012 plasmas. This gives the ST60 a contrast ratio of 13,156:1, which beats out Samsung's flagship by almost 3000 units. Considering that the ST60 is Panasonic's mid-range plasma, this is extremely impressive."


He is currently testing the input lag, and hopes to post his measurements within the next day or so.
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Panasonic ST60 Review

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/panasonic-st60-review

"A superbly performing plasma series at a great price, married to sub-par internet features"


"This the largest contrast ratio we've ever tested.

To determine a television's contrast ratio, you divide its peak luminance by its minimum luminance. We take readings based off of 20% APL (average picture level) screens, which is what most content looks like.

Like the S60 and VT60 series, the ST60 also supports a black level of 0.01 cd/m2 , which is very, very dark—an entire magnitude darker than 0.02 cd/m2 , for example. At a Panel Brightness of Low, and max contrast, the ST60's peak brightness at 20% APL was 131.56 cd/m2 , which is rather bright for a plasma, and is much brighter than most of Panasonic's 2012 plasmas. This gives the ST60 a contrast ratio of 13,156:1, which beats out Samsung's flagship by almost 3000 units. Considering that the ST60 is Panasonic's mid-range plasma, this is extremely impressive."


He is currently testing the input lag, and hopes to post his measurements within the next day or so.

Thanks for the link! Another amazing review. Now, if only Best Buy would carry the 65" model in my neck of the woods...
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Here are the settings a arrived at for dim lit room on my 60"ST60.
Software: Calamn 4
Meter: Eye One Pro Retail

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 87
Brightness: +1
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -6
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: -8
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: 4

20 W/B R: 21
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 0

30 W/B R: 19
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 3

40 W/B R: 10
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: -3

50 W/B R: 9
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: -4

60 W/B R: 5
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: 0

70 W/B R: 0
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: -2

80 W/B R: -2
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -1

90 W/B R: -1
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 4

100 W/B R: -6
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 8

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: -4
R-Sat: -9
R-Lum: -3

G-Hue: 2
G-Sat: -50
G-Lum: -2

B-Hue: -1
B-Sat: -15
B-Lum: -6


Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: -16
20 Gain: -5
30 Gain: -7
40 Gain: -3
50 Gain: -2
60 Gain: -3
70 Gain: -2
80 Gain: -1
90 Gain: -1
100 Gain: 0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***
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Thanks, will test these tonight, on Vivid - since i'll never use those biggrin.gif
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I just noticed this statement from televisioninfo.com. It might explain the red that I'm also seeing. I have the panel set to med. Which has been pretty much the default. So look for more settings to come this weekend!

"Where color adherence is concerned, the ST60 exhibits expert engineering. Its color gamut is very accurate, and it maintains perfect color temperature so long as its Panel Brightness (under Pro settings) is set to Low. The Medium and High settings caused odd red-tinting in the low-mid steps of the greyscale input. The end-day tally, though, is that this plasma has high-quality color accuracy and adherence, displaying the full spectrum of colors in smooth detail."

90° Viewing angle is pretty sick too. Wow!
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Can I use the same mount I have my Panasonic Viera TH-58PZ700U on, or do I need to remove it and replace it with a different on?
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I need to stop reading this thread. I want this damn tv right now. Sometimes it sucks being Canadian...
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Thanks, will test these tonight, on Vivid - since i'll never use those biggrin.gif

Do the picture setting names have any differences other than the name and the default values?

For example, if I put the exact same settings into Vivid and Standard, would I see the exact same results?
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Do the picture setting names have any differences other than the name and the default values?

For example, if I put the exact same settings into Vivid and Standard, would I see the exact same results?

Nope. Because you can't. Only custom & cinema have the full menu.
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Panasonic ST60 Review

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/panasonic-st60-review

"A superbly performing plasma series at a great price, married to sub-par internet features"


"This the largest contrast ratio we've ever tested.

To determine a television's contrast ratio, you divide its peak luminance by its minimum luminance. We take readings based off of 20% APL (average picture level) screens, which is what most content looks like.

Like the S60 and VT60 series, the ST60 also supports a black level of 0.01 cd/m2 , which is very, very dark—an entire magnitude darker than 0.02 cd/m2 , for example. At a Panel Brightness of Low, and max contrast, the ST60's peak brightness at 20% APL was 131.56 cd/m2 , which is rather bright for a plasma, and is much brighter than most of Panasonic's 2012 plasmas. This gives the ST60 a contrast ratio of 13,156:1, which beats out Samsung's flagship by almost 3000 units. Considering that the ST60 is Panasonic's mid-range plasma, this is extremely impressive."


He is currently testing the input lag, and hopes to post his measurements within the next day or so.
So the review says the thumb pad remote is an optional accessory. Did anyone else hear that actual remote works with the ST60?
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I'll be joining the club soon. Purchased a 60" st60 from abt and hopefully it will be here by Friday. For some reason they're using a shipping company I've never heard of, and are stating it could take a week to ship the tv to me. What's weird is I only live 2 - 2.5 hours away from abt. ::sigh: Shipping companies really are annoying me as of late.

Though I've read all the pages, any tips when I first unwrap and set-up? My first plasma... I'm coming from a 5 year old samsung dlp.

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I'll be joining the club soon. Purchased a 60" st60 from abt and hopefully it will be here by Friday. For some reason they're using a shipping company I've never heard of, and are stating it could take a week to ship the tv to me. What's weird is I only live 2 - 2.5 hours away from abt. ::sigh: Shipping companies really are annoying me as of late.

Though I've read all the pages, any tips when I first unwrap and set-up? My first plasma... I'm coming from a 5 year old samsung dlp.

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Speaking of mounts, and maybe this belongs in a different thread, but I'm planning on getting the 60" version of this screen and, having never bought a mount, I'm not really sure what a good brand is. I want a fully articulated mount (or maybe I don't, you guys tell me), that will hold up this new TV. Any suggestions, or am I barking up the wrong tree in this thread?
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Inspect it thoroughly with a flashlight before turning it on. After its on look for screen uniformity issues and turn up the volume and listen for buzzing.

Before listening for buzzing, switch from Standard mode, which has CATS enabled and low contrast, and thus minimizes buzzing, to something more representative of how you'll actually use it, like Cinema. To get a worst case idea of the buzzing, put on a reasonably high APL scene like Family Guy living room, or use a white slide.
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Speaking of mounts, and maybe this belongs in a different thread, but I'm planning on getting the 60" version of this screen and, having never bought a mount, I'm not really sure what a good brand is. I want a fully articulated mount (or maybe I don't, you guys tell me), that will hold up this new TV. Any suggestions, or am I barking up the wrong tree in this thread?

Check out monoprice. They've got the best priced mounts supporting multiple weights in a variety of styles (wall flush, tilt, tilt & swivel).
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Before listening for buzzing, switch from Standard mode, which has CATS enabled and low contrast, and thus minimizes buzzing, to something more representative of how you'll actually use it, like Cinema. To get a worst case idea of the buzzing, put on a reasonably high APL scene like Family Guy living room, or use a white slide.
Agreed. The best thing to do is to have the slides on the usb ready. That way you dont have to hook it up to anything. You just throw the usb on there and let the slides start running. You can check for uniformity and buzzing.

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I'm using this for my 55GT50 and plan on using it for the 65ST60. Very nice mount.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=8588&seq=1&format=2

That is a great mount indeed and the weight of the 65ST60 is a touch under 80lbs without the stand so it should work fine.
This one has a built in level and is still rated 50lbs above the weight of the tv you are trying to mount
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6200&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

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Speaking of mounts, and maybe this belongs in a different thread, but I'm planning on getting the 60" version of this screen and, having never bought a mount, I'm not really sure what a good brand is. I want a fully articulated mount (or maybe I don't, you guys tell me), that will hold up this new TV. Any suggestions, or am I barking up the wrong tree in this thread?
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Check out monoprice. They've got the best priced mounts supporting multiple weights in a variety of styles (wall flush, tilt, tilt & swivel).

Monoprice is a great company which I have used many many times, HDMI cables are cheap and work excellent. TV mounts are well constructed so I would look no further then there for your Wall Mount.

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That is a great mount indeed and the weight of the 65ST60 is a touch under 80lbs without the stand so it should work fine.
This one has a built in level and is still rated 50lbs above the weight of the tv you are trying to mount
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6200&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

That's actually the one I purchased for myself. However, I've yet to test it, since my TV won't arrive until later this week. The main thing that set it apart from the other tilt/swivel mounts was the minimum extension (3.75" vs. 4.5" for the others I saw). I don't need it flush with the wall, but the closer the better biggrin.gif.
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