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winston9332's Avatar winston9332
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With the 2013 CES announcement of the new plasmas, i would start a thread to address questions regarding the likely popular st60 series plasma sets available in 50, 55, 60, and 65 inch sizes.

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P50st60
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I'm looking at the 55, I have a HX909 now and cant stand the blooming...hopefully the ST60 will be a worthy replacement with better PQ
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Realize this is the s60, but interesting review with black level measurements...beats the vt50 allegedly:

http://www2.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/panasonic-viera-tc-p60s60-review/the-science
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Realize this is the s60, but interesting review with black level measurements...beats the vt50 allegedly:

http://www2.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/panasonic-viera-tc-p60s60-review/the-science

I'm sorry, .001? eek.gif

I don't believe it for a second.
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Wow he said the blacks crushed the other tvs eek.gif
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I'm sorry, .001? eek.gif

I don't believe it for a second.

0.01, not 0.001. Also, the numbers are in cd/m^2, whereas most reviews use ft-L.

The 0.03 cd/m^2 for the VT50 is most likely for cinema mode. The VT50 is closer to 0.007 cd/m^2 if you use any other mode. Cinema mode on VT50 has considerably worse blacks, but has the benefit of much dithering in dark areas. Remember European models in pro modes use the elevated cinema mode blacks + limited output, whereas American models get much lower blacks + better peak output.
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according to the link above, the input lag is 66ms, what would cause the increase, from the st-50 ?
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according to the link above, the input lag is 66ms, what would cause the increase, from the st-50 ?

its the same they got on the st50. it all depends what u use to measure it. results vary depending on who measures it
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Digital Versus ST60 review is up http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/panasonic-tx-p50st60-p15314/test.html

Pretty disappointing, they pretty much said 2D and 3D picture quality is exactly the same as the ST50 and called it a day.
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it will still be the best bang for the buck. plus starting prices are lower this year so not much to complain about
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Cant complain about these price drops for 2013

TC-P50ST30 $1,499 (End Of Production MSRP was at $1,299)
TC-P50ST50 $1,399 (End Of Production MSRP on ‎12/‎09/‎12 was $1,012)
TC-P50ST60 $1,149

TC-P55ST30 $1,799 (End Of Production MSRP was at $1,599)
TC-P55ST50 $1,699 (End Of Production MSRP on ‎12/‎09/‎12 was $1,297)
TC-P55ST60 $1,499

TC-P60ST30 $2,399 (End Of Production MSRP was at $2,099)
TC-P60ST50 $2,099
TC-P60ST60 $1,699

TC-P65ST30 $3,299 (End Of Production MSRP was at $2,999)
TC-P65ST50 $2,999
TC-P65ST60 $2,599
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Digital Versus ST60 review is up http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/panasonic-tx-p50st60-p15314/test.html

Pretty disappointing, they pretty much said 2D and 3D picture quality is exactly the same as the ST50 and called it a day.

I do believe that's a review of the EU version. It's a literal translation of the review they posted of the EU set. Digital Verses is based in France I believe.
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I was at my local BB today in Golden, CO and saw an employee about to load one of these (or at least try to) in a BMW 3 series for a guy. They didn't have any on display so the guy was buying it sight unseen. I made a quick "hey you got an ST60, nice!" comment and went on my way. Could've offered to load it in my 4Runner and give it a ride home for him, but don't think he'd have gone for that. smile.gif

Looking forward to some hands on observations....
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lmao. Looks like the 2013 panasonics are going to be a gamers worst nightmare. 66ms? That's stepping
into LG plasma territory. My previous X5 lagged 3 frames, which basically matches the 45-48ms mentioned by a few reviewers. Panasonic is officially out of the question now for gamers looking to make the
HD plunge. I'm still hanging onto my 2011 S30(16ms of lag through component cables) but even then, I still feel a little bit of a difference in performance, more so with motion controls. It still performs fantastic and wont hinder your
skills, but it doesn't quite feel 'on the dime', unituitive, impressive or fun to play. Keep in mind, i'm extremely anal and picky and have been gaming on lag free CRT's
since the 80's. As far as panasonic plasma's go, it's still the best to game on

Anyways, I wonder how the 2013 Samsung plasma's will fair this year...And forget abou that HDMI'1' PC labeling trick,
since it blocks out half the picture controls...
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lmao. Looks like the 2013 panasonics are going to be a gamers worst nightmare. 66ms? That's stepping
into LG plasma territory. My previous X5 lagged 3 frames, which basically matches the 45-48ms mentioned by a few reviewers. Panasonic is officially out of the question now for gamers looking to make the
HD plunge. I'm still hanging onto my 2011 S30(16ms of lag through component cables) but even then, I still feel a little bit of a difference in performance, more so with motion controls. It still performs fantastic and wont hinder your
skills, but it doesn't quite feel 'on the dime', unituitive, impressive or fun to play. Keep in mind, i'm extremely anal and picky and have been gaming on lag free CRT's
since the 80's. As far as panasonic plasma's go, it's still the best to game on

Anyways, I wonder how the 2013 Samsung plasma's will fair this year...And forget abou that HDMI'1' PC labeling trick,
since it blocks out half the picture controls...

I thought you might show up. smile.gif

However, I don't think we have any accurate lag tests on any new models at this point.
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Yep. The review that said 66ms was of the EU version. Still waiting on a review of the US set.
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Received notice today that my P60ST60 will be delivered on Friday. That is several weeks earlier than they estimated.
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Mine also shipped out yesterday from Annaheim. I contacted Panasonic to ensure they didn't send out the older model. They replied that the correct model was shipped out and that they received the supply sooner than expected. smile.gif
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It's here and set up. I won't have the time this weekend to see if the settings others have posted from the ST50 are good for this set, as well. Hopefully, some other folks get their sets soon and start posting.
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Being that the GT models are gone for this model year, I'm curious: does the ST60 compare more closely to 2012's GT models or 2012's ST models? I'm seeing reports for both.
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Being that the GT models are gone for this model year, I'm curious: does the ST60 compare more closely to 2012's GT models or 2012's ST models? I'm seeing reports for both.

The blacks on the st60 are much better than the gt50. They is some pictures posted by tps over on the avforums.
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Here is a photo from his twitter



. He mentioned the reds were dead on accurate, and raving over picture . Believe he may be a calibrator.
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Being that the GT models are gone for this model year, I'm curious: does the ST60 compare more closely to 2012's GT models or 2012's ST models? I'm seeing reports for both.

You're seeing reports for both because the ST50 and GT50 have the same panel and filter and electronics and the picture quality between the two is virtually identical, so you can compare the ST60 to both equally (disregarding the GT50's THX modes completely of course).
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Scanning the manual it looks like the TC-PxxST60 has a lot more features than the ST50 that it replaced:

Has Pro Settings Menu in Custom and also in Cinema mode

Copy Settings function to copy your Custom or Cinema settings to another input or all inputs

Has a new Home Theater picture mode - "provides a soft film-like picture for watching movies in a dark room"

24p Direct In, with a 96Hz setting available for 1080p content via HDMI

1080p Pixel Direct - Enables 1080p 24/60 4:4:4 signal

Has HDMI/DVI RGB range Auto/Standard/Non-Standard adjustment (standard RGB 16-235 or non-compliance 0-255)

Overscan On/Off setting (looks like it replaces HDMI Size 1 and HDMI Size 2)

Has more stretch modes, and adds vertical size adjustment to the Just mode

Screen Display On/Off (useful when listening to sound without watching the screen - press any key and picture returns)

Screen Wipe (Scrolling Bar) doesn't mention being timed out after 15 minutes like before, pressing any key cancels it

Built-In Wireless Correction - the ST50 also had Built-In Wireless, i forgot to edit this line out when i copy/pasted S60 info - Thanks for the correction guys.

Do you see any other mistakes? biggrin.gif


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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Scanning the manual it looks like the ST60 has a lot more features than the ST50 that it replaced:

Has Pro Settings Menu in Custom and also in Cinema mode

Copy Settings function to copy your Custom or Cinema settings to another input or all inputs

Has a new Home Theater picture mode - "provides a soft film-like picture for watching movies in a dark room"

24p Direct In, with a 96Hz setting available for 1080p content via HDMI

1080p Pixel Direct - Enables 1080p 24/60 4:4:4 signal

Has HDMI/DVI RGB range Auto/Standard/Non-Standard adjustment (standard RGB 16-235 or non-compliance 0-255)

Overscan On/Off setting (looks like it replaces HDMI Size 1 and HDMI Size 2)

Has more stretch modes, and adds vertical size adjustment to the Just mode

Screen Display On/Off (useful when listening to sound without watching the screen - press any key and picture returns)

Screen Wipe (Scrolling Bar) doesn't mention being timed out after 15 minutes like before, pressing any key cancels it

Built-In Wireless

The ST50 has screen display on/off and screen wipe and overscan on/off to name just 3 of those supposed new features
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Here is a photo from his twitter



. He mentioned the reds were dead on accurate, and raving over picture . Believe he may be a calibrator.

Ha! At first I thought that you were talking about US but I see this is EU.

Where are our US pictures? cool.gif
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The ST50 also had built in wireless.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Scanning the manual it looks like the ST60 has a lot more features than the ST50 that it replaced:

Has Pro Settings Menu in Custom and also in Cinema mode

Copy Settings function to copy your Custom or Cinema settings to another input or all inputs

Has a new Home Theater picture mode - "provides a soft film-like picture for watching movies in a dark room"

24p Direct In, with a 96Hz setting available for 1080p content via HDMI

1080p Pixel Direct - Enables 1080p 24/60 4:4:4 signal

Has HDMI/DVI RGB range Auto/Standard/Non-Standard adjustment (standard RGB 16-235 or non-compliance 0-255)

Overscan On/Off setting (looks like it replaces HDMI Size 1 and HDMI Size 2)

Has more stretch modes, and adds vertical size adjustment to the Just mode

Screen Display On/Off (useful when listening to sound without watching the screen - press any key and picture returns)

Screen Wipe (Scrolling Bar) doesn't mention being timed out after 15 minutes like before, pressing any key cancels it

Built-In Wireless

Those are very useful new ST60 features.
The ST50 however also had built-in wireless networking, it was the UT50 models that only had wired networking.
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