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I just read there's a new consumer camera that can record 1080p 60fps.

Is that a HDTV format?

I have a Pioneer 151FD and I thought all it could display up to 1080p 30fps.

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1080p at 60fps is actually the ideal content for 1080p plasmas. There are console games like Rayman Origins that run at 1080p@60 as well as many PC gamers playing their games on their tv at those settings.
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That's interesting. I know mine can display 1080p at 24fps and (I think) 30fps. But does anyone know if the Pioneer 151FD can also display 1080p 60fps?

About video games, I have my Xbox set to output 1080p, but I do not know what the frame rates are for the very few games I've played.

Why buy a camera that can record 1080p 60fps if I'm not able to display it like that???

Actually, I like 24fps, but that's another story.

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??? I think that's the "normal" "P rate" for 1080P signal... so if your TV does 1080P, then it does it... :-) The 24 is for "film" based stuff and the 30 stuff is basically the rate for interlaced signal... 60 "fields" / sec de-interlaced -> 30 frames per sec which are then repeated to get the "60 hz" that a "full1080p" panel uses.
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Well, I do know that everything I watch, 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080p shows up on my TV as 1080p.

I'm talking about frame rate. 24fps shows up as 24sps. 30fps shows up at 30fps.

However, I do not know if my TV is capable of DECODING a 1080p signal @ 60fps.

Makes me wonder. Is 1080p 60fps even one of the HDTV standards?

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Yes, it's a legit format. Even appears to be supported in the current ATSC spec after a 2008 revision (not currently being broadcast):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Television_Systems_Committee_standards

There are plenty of cameras that can record at 1080p60 these days. I just got the RX100, Sony's latest and greatest compact camera (which can record video at up to 1080p60, AND fits in your pocket). Don't take much video with it, but in the couple casual tests I've done I can't see much improvement over 1080i on my 59" Samsung D7000. I would expect it should handle fast motion better, but I haven't tested that. Of course, all films are encoded at 1080p24 on bluray and I don't think you can get anything above 30fps (as 1080i60) out of the bluray format. The camera's software won't even let you try to burn 1080p60 to blu.
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Well, I do know that everything I watch, 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080p shows up on my TV as 1080p.

I'm talking about frame rate. 24fps shows up as 24sps. 30fps shows up at 30fps.

However, I do not know if my TV is capable of DECODING a 1080p signal @ 60fps.

Makes me wonder. Is 1080p 60fps even one of the HDTV standards?

I guess my answer wasn't too clear cause I didn't spell it out totally.... a 1080i signal is a "30 based" signal, a "true 1080p" is a 60 based signal and is 60 fps. IF your tv supports an input of 1080P then is supports 1080p(60).... you will normally see a "rider" (as in special "condition"), if the tv can handle a "24fps" because to do that "properly", it need to do some "special processing".
And yes, on your screen a 1080p input signal should / will show up as "1080 60".... if it is an "i" incoming source, it will show up as "1080i x0".... I do believe depending on what the manufacturer has decided to display the status of the incoming signal.... ultimately the tv has to de-interlace and display it on the screen as 1080p 60. Thus, if you are seeing a picture from a source (try blu ray stuff) and not the movie itself as most are 24fpr based which you will see... but the menu and special features stuff, then it is processing 1080p60 stuff and displaying it.
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Yes, it's a legit format. Even appears to be supported in the current ATSC spec after a 2008 revision (not currently being broadcast):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Television_Systems_Committee_standards

There are plenty of cameras that can record at 1080p60 these days. I just got the RX100, Sony's latest and greatest compact camera (which can record video at up to 1080p60, AND fits in your pocket). Don't take much video with it, but in the couple casual tests I've done I can't see much improvement over 1080i on my 59" Samsung D7000. I would expect it should handle fast motion better, but I haven't tested that. Of course, all films are encoded at 1080p24 on bluray and I don't think you can get anything above 30fps (as 1080i60) out of the bluray format. The camera's software won't even let you try to burn 1080p60 to blu.

Tha'ts interesting. It shows it was in July 2008 that the standard included 1080p @ 60fps.

However my 151FD was built in June 2008 so I'm not so sure it could input (1080p @ 60fps via HDMI) and display 1080p @ 60fps.

The 1080p @ 60fps at least from what I can see is only listed on the newer cart as part of the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC encode.


There's a chance that it might. I've asked this same question on the 9G Elite thread (that's still very active by the way!) I'll let you know what they say...

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Got a reply from Pioneer...

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.


Yes, the PRO-151FD can display 1080p 24Hz and 60Hz.


Sincerely,



Curtis
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That was a nice answer from the CSR, but that does not fully answer my question.

There are camcorders that can record 1080p @ 60fps.

Does anyone know if 60 progressive fps the same as 60Hz?

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Just received another supply from Pioneer.

They referred to the manual that states what the Supported video signals are...

Supported Video Signals
• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz


Seeing the differences between the progressive and interlaced signals tells me that in fact yes, the Pioneer can accept and display 1080p 60fps signals through HDMI inputs.

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