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post #361 of 1309 Old 04-11-2013, 02:20 PM
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What is MgO? And I'm guessing since this is the top-of-the-line model, that it should have better (less) IR because of this new tech?

MgO is magnesium oxide, and is a chemical used in the production of plasma cells. Specifically it protects the electrodes from being damaged when the cell is activated. In the process it can "sputter" and end up on the phosphor itself, thus blocking a certain percentage of the light emissions from the impacted area. So if only certain parts of the panel are kept a high brightness for a long period of time, they'll pick up MgO and lose some brightness. Over time the MgO spreads out into the adjacent cells and the whole thing evens out, but it can take a long time.

There's a great discussion about it starting with this post here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1338766/plasma-burn-in-and-100-000-hour-life-displays#post_20515151

What's interesting is that there have been a number of Plasma panels that didn't seem to exhibit this behavior. The >60" 2012 Samsungs and some of the old Pioneers are the ones I've seen in person that have excellent resistance to this type of long-duration IR (don't confuse it with the short, bright IR you get called residual charge; long-duration IR involves darkening the impacted area).

It's possible that Panasonic chose to use an alternative chemical here specifically to avoid IR. At least, I can't think of any other reason to make the change. The guy at HDJ doesn't describe any specific image quality benefits, so to me this sounds like a vague way of saying, "oh, and it's IR-resistant but we don't want to admit we had IR problems in 2012." As usual, no way to know for sure until the thing comes out.
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Most comments regarding the differences between the VT and ZT have focused (understandably) on picture quality but what about the other differences? Despite the lower price point the VT has the standard integrated camera and (I think) extra speakers. These are two features I have no interest in. Are they factoring in anyone else's decision making process?

Kind of odd, right? My thoughts are that they cut these things from the ZT to keep it from getting much more expensive than the VT, or simply because the people who will be interested in the ZT would be more insulted by them than anything else. Camera that pops up from the top of my flagship TV? Yeeeeah, no thanks.

Either that or they were trying to distinguish the VT from the GT in the non-NA markets, where the reviews out so far show very little noteworthy difference between the two models. In fact if it were available in NA at large sizes it seems like it might be the clear value winner, coming in much cheaper than the VT with nearly identical performance and the high end CPU.
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Why would anyone replace a Kuro if you don't have to?
Like a car connoisseur, just because a person gets bored ? You may have the best, the best does get boring.......
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Like a car connoisseur, just because a person gets bored ? You may have the best, the best does get boring.......

I remember when the Kuro came out and got acclaim I was disappointed it was only 60' since I sure wasn't going to go backward in size. As it is, I think of 65 as being a tad bit small to call a 'big screen' biggrin.gif
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Breaking News - Panasonic To Continue Plasma TV Research and Development

Excellent news! Contrary to recent rumors that Panasonic would stop plasma TV R&D, read this response issued today by a Panasonic North American VP to an "HD Guru" website inquiry.
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Reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated? One can only hope.
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Breaking News - Panasonic To Continue Plasma TV Research and Development

Excellent news! Contrary to recent rumors that Panasonic would stop plasma TV R&D, read this response issued today by a Panasonic North American VP to an "HD Guru" website inquiry.

This is good news, but I just received BAD news. The ZT will not be available until some time in June and not May as I was told. mad.gif Oh well,,,,

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Breaking News - Panasonic To Continue Plasma TV Research and Development

Excellent news! Contrary to recent rumors that Panasonic would stop plasma TV R&D, read this response issued today by a Panasonic North American VP to an "HD Guru" website inquiry.
I'd say that's more of a press release than breaking news. Besides, Henry Hauser's title indicates he's a marketing guy, not someone in production or R&D.

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This is good news, but I just received BAD news. The ZT will not be available until some time in June and not May as I was told. mad.gif Oh well,,,,

June is fine so long as a whole bunch of nails are driven into the Kuro coffin.

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June is fine so long as a whole bunch of nails are driven into the Kuro coffin.

From reports we ahve seen the Kuro coffin will NOT be closed (and heck Im not even a Kuro owner\warrior) .....The Kuro will be surpassed on certain things (this can be argued to have happened in previous years as well) as far as MLL level goes dont get your hopes up wink.gif
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From reports we ahve seen the Kuro coffin will NOT be closed (and heck Im not even a Kuro owner\warrior) .....The Kuro will be surpassed on certain things (this can be argued to have happened in previous years as well) as far as MLL level goes dont get your hopes up wink.gif

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Two months ago there was a guy from the Philly area trying to sell a new 141 on eBay. He didn't sell it the 1st time -- so he listed it again. It got 4 bids (all from the same person) and then disappeared. Well, it;s back -- this time in Brooklyn with the same picture, seriel number and ad copy. Buyer beware - http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130887592690&item=130887592690&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466
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^^^ Same thing going on with a 90" sharp.....
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This is good news, but I just received BAD news. The ZT will not be available until some time in June and not May as I was told. mad.gif Oh well,,,,
Could even be later, Could even be sooner. Up to Panasonic, we will see soon enough wink.gif
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Breaking News - Panasonic To Continue Plasma TV Research and Development

Excellent news! Contrary to recent rumors that Panasonic would stop plasma TV R&D, read this response issued today by a Panasonic North American VP to an "HD Guru" website inquiry.

When a company cant get its press releases right like this, its usually more negative than positive. Think about the college football coach who says he is staying, when all the news says he is leaving. Then 3 days later, and after saying he wasnt leaving 52 times, he leaves.
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When a company cant get its press releases right like this, its usually more negative than positive. Think about the college football coach who says he is staying, when all the news says he is leaving. Then 3 days later, and after saying he wasnt leaving 52 times, he leaves.

Agreed.

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Two months ago there was a guy from the Philly area trying to sell a new 141 on eBay. He didn't sell it the 1st time -- so he listed it again. It got 4 bids (all from the same person) and then disappeared. Well, it;s back -- this time in Brooklyn with the same picture, seriel number and ad copy. Buyer beware - http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130887592690&item=130887592690&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466

and even better yet, this time, a zero feedback seller.
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I'm seriously thinking of selling my 55 GT50 to get the ZT60. Looks to be quite a worthy upgrade. Kinda feeling like I should've gotten the top of the line in the first place. I'm a big Blu-Ray watcher. I could benefit from the PQ upgrade.
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and even better yet, this time, a zero feedback seller.
Well the good thing is Paypal will hold the transfer of the funds to the seller (provided it's over $1000) until the buyer provides positive feedback. So if you don't receive the TV Paypal will return your money.
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I'm seriously thinking of selling my 55 GT50 to get the ZT60. Looks to be quite a worthy upgrade. Kinda feeling like I should've gotten the top of the line in the first place. I'm a big Blu-Ray watcher. I could benefit from the PQ upgrade.

Watch the hype. I like to upgrade as much as the next, just went from a GT30 to a VT50. It aint that big a difference... Meaning dont expect it to be like the first time you saw blu-ray. The 50 series are real nice sets with excellent blacks.

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Watch the hype. I like to upgrade as much as the next, just went from a GT30 to a VT50. It aint that big a difference... Meaning dont expect it to be like the first time you saw blu-ray. The 50 series are real nice sets with excellent blacks.

Yeah, that's my only problem, I do get caught up in hype way too fast. That's how I ended up with a Samsung LCD/LED first. Big mistake. I will make certain to check out the differences to see if they make sense. The blacks on my GT50 are fantastic but I was understood that the blacks on the ZT60 are as "Kuro-like" as you can get.
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They will be better, but just by my meter I went from 0.0044fL mll with the GT30 to the 0.0018fL with the VT50. Not huge to the eyes. The calibration control is great, but the GT30 calibrated looked real good IMO.

I was looking at VT60/ZT60 and Chris at cleveland told me to save the money and run, and I did with a VT50. Main reas I jumped was for more calibration controls, and to see how the lower MLL looked. Its nice, but if you asked me if it was worth a $2500 upgrade? Um no.

Dont get me wrong, I love the VT, just trying to be frank. With Panasonic plasmas, you should shoot more for upgrading every 2 years.

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They will be better, but just by my meter I went from 0.0044fL mll with the GT30 to the 0.0018fL with the VT50. Not huge to the eyes. The calibration control is great, but the GT30 calibrated looked real good IMO.

I was looking at VT60/ZT60 and Chris at cleveland told me to save the money and run, and I did with a VT50. Main reas I jumped was for more calibration controls, and to see how the lower MLL looked. Its nice, but if you asked me if it was worth a $2500 upgrade? Um no.

Dont get me wrong, I love the VT, just trying to be frank. With Panasonic plasmas, you should shoot more for upgrading every 2 years.

whats your viewing environment ? if you are watching in a dark room you should be able to see that difference pretty easily.
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One lamp room in evenings, dark room with ideal lume for movies. Sure, VT50 letterbox bars are darker, they are really a moot point where I dont care about anything darker now, where the GT30 bars were slightly noticeable. All not worth $2500 upgrade smile.gif. I did it because I had a buyer for the GT30, and could. I wouldnt just go tell anyone to go from a 50 series to a 60 series, especially as good as the MLL was on the 50 series.


Im not trying to knock the ZT, as Im sure its gonna be great. Im just speaking as a long time Panny buyer, who likes to upgrade, hold onto your wallet with yearly upgrades.

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One lamp room in evenings, dark room with ideal lume for movies. Sure, VT50 letterbox bars are darker, they are really a moot point where I dont care about anything darker now, where the GT30 bars were slightly noticeable. All not worth $2500 upgrade smile.gif. I did it because I had a buyer for the GT30, and could. I wouldnt just go tell anyone to go from a 50 series to a 60 series, especially as good as the MLL was on the 50 series.


Im not trying to knock the ZT, as Im sure its gonna be great. Im just speaking as a long time Panny buyer, who likes to upgrade, hold onto your wallet with yearly upgrades.

Completely agree, just was curious as I would think the VT50 would be a noticeable upgrade from the GT30. The dollar amount one attaches to that difference is completely subjective, but was pretty sure it would be visible. Both are mighty fine tv's, that others might not appreciate until they start venturing into the LED/LCD territory, as I did, then you really appreciate just how good the PQ really is.
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Yeah, and as much as the mill improvement is from a 30 to a 50, it'll be less to the 60. They really are nice displays the last two years.

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Is there a “detailed” comparison chart on the 2013 models? Particularly the top 4 models. smile.gif
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The various articles covering Panasonic's recent events will give you the most comprehensive overview of the 2013 lineup but if you're looking for a chart the Panasonic website allows you to compare various models in a spreadsheet format. There's also the Value Electronics page (www.tc-p65zt60.com) if you're interested in seeing the specs on both the Panasonic and Samsung models.

Edit: Robert at Value Electronics compiled the ZT & VT spec sheets here.

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I remember when the Kuro came out and got acclaim I was disappointed it was only 60' since I sure wasn't going to go backward in size. As it is, I think of 65 as being a tad bit small to call a 'big screen' biggrin.gif

Can't agree with your more! 65" has been considered a BIG screen for way too long. When I was a kid, 25" was a big screen for a LONG time, then the 35" was for a long time and now we have been stuck at 65" for ages. I'd love to upgrade my 65" decade old TV and frankly I really only want a very hight quality plasma or oled so my choices are very limited. I can't justify the oled nor can I find a big one so that leaves me with a little 65" zt60.
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Can't agree with your more! 65" has been considered a BIG screen for way too long. When I was a kid, 25" was a big screen for a LONG time, then the 35" was for a long time and now we have been stuck at 65" for ages. I'd love to upgrade my 65" decade old TV and frankly I really only want a very hight quality plasma or oled so my choices are very limited. I can't justify the oled nor can I find a big one so that leaves me with a little 65" zt60.

If you have the money there are larger plasma displays available....They are just "outside" of the normal consumer market wink.gif
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