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post #1 of 21 Old 02-07-2013, 03:21 AM - Thread Starter
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So I am from north of the border. Here the Panny Plasma at a specific size is far a few in between. As such their prices are horrible. So I am down to the 55" HX850 for $1.8k vs the 55" GT50 for $1.85k. I did try to demo, but again, finding a store that has both units of any size at all, and also let you play with the calibration settings, is almost impossible.

One occasion I saw the 60" GT50 playing the Panasonic demo disc and I was completely wowed. Katy Perry's skin tone is the best I've ever seen outside of a good IPS computer monitor. Black is inky and there's just a very natural feel to all the images, from music video to the Formula 1 footage they were showing.

On the other hand, I stepped into Visions and they had a hockey game on across the rows and rows of TVs they have on the wall. One of them is the 55" GT50. No matter how the salesmen tuned the settings, I was not impressed. It looked extremely dim compared to the others, and with a yellow cast. Obviously I did recognize that the other TVs were overly bright and had instead an extremely blue cast. But the dimness and yellow tint just put me off completely.

The HX850 looks all right, but none that I saw wowed me the way the Panny did with their demo disc. That said, nor did the HX850 ever got shown in a way that would put me in as much disappointment as much as the Panny did with the ice hockey game.

In terms of my viewing environment, there are a lot of windows on the right hand side of the TV. There is blinds, however they are not completely opaque and is beige in color (not as efficient in blocking light as black). That said, the HX850 seems to be the one with more glare anyways?

I am not considering hauling the Panny from south of the border, just in case anyone's gonna propose that.

Anybody able to tell me which one I should go with and put me out
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My vote GT50.
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Any reason why?
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Hockey is a torture test for plasma's as ABL kicks in. Some ppl set the color tone to be a bit cooler (either Normal or Warm 1 on Panasonic), maybe bump up the Contrast. But if you search around - some ppl actually say that real hockey ice isnt eye blindingly snow white anyways, always a greyish tone with lots of variance.

So the picture may actually be more accurate.

In anycase - i own an ST50 and it destroys the Samsung E6500 i had before....i would recommend the ST50, or the GT50 if the extras are really needed.
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I think my biggest gripe with the GT50 is the ABL then... hmm....
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Own both...go with the GT50
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GT50 for sure, even though I enjoy both TVs. You described the GT50 with much more excitement and "wow" than you did the Sony. If you watch hockey so often that you think dim ice is a deal breaker, then perhaps you should keep thinking on it.

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Up north here hockey is a big deal. Will be rather embarrassing to have a bunch of people over on big games looking at dim ice.

If GT50 is just slightly better everywhere else and just unbearable on every bright scene, that's a deal breaker
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I think my biggest gripe with the GT50 is the ABL then... hmm....

ABL is definitely a nuisance when you first find out about it, even more so if you buy a plasma with out knowing it even exists. I still don't care for it, but I can put with it because it doesn't effect much of my viewing experience. I would say it really depends just how into hockey you are. If you watch a lot of hockey or play hockey games you might find that the ABL is not something you can live with. I don't want to persuade you from a great TV, but plasma just isn't for everyone.

Here's an example of ABL in NHL 13. (Hockey games may be affected more by ABL than real-life hockey)

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/9155382.page (Ignore the stupid comments, just look at the photos, that's how it really looks)
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Alright, so I wanted to give a more impartial analysis. I fired up NHL 09 and went to YT to find some hockey action. NHL 09 is noticeably dimmed, it is extremely bright and therefore the ABL is clearly seen. You can remedy this by switching to the normal/cool1 setting, but while it looks brighter, you're still not getting the kind of brightness associated with a hockey video-game. Real life hockey is different, it's no where near as bright as the blanket of white shown on video-games. I used the menu trick and the ABL was only decreasing the brightness by a very small degree. On Warm1/Normal it looked perfectly natural, it wasn't dim or overly bright. If you are used to an overly bright LCD it might be an adjustment though.
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Thanks for all the help all. I ended up settling for a HX850. A little less hassle and more flexible. But most importantly, I can find stock for the unit at locations where there's a 30 days refund policy. If there's any reason for buyer's remorse, I can still refund it. Places where I can find the GT50 all wants restocking fee if I refund. If I can tune this thing close enough to what I was seeing from the GT50, then will most probably just live with this for the new couple of years.~
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I am surprised that no one mentioned ABL would not be a problem on the GT50 if you turn off C.A.T.S. and ECO.
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I am surprised that no one mentioned ABL would not be a problem on the GT50 if you turn off C.A.T.S. and ECO.

What are you even talking about?

Those settings have NOTHING to do with the ABL. rolleyes.gif
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What are you even talking about?

Those settings have NOTHING to do with the ABL. rolleyes.gif

So you turned those functions off and set the picture how you wanted it and it did not produce the results you wanted worked for me or do you own the set.
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Afaik you cant turn off ABL. I've read turning off CATS in Custom Mode helps...but not sure how much
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Afaik you cant turn off ABL. I've read turning off CATS in Custom Mode helps...but not sure how much
This is correct on the current models you can not turn off ABL as with other current brands what I am saying if you adjust the TV correctly using one or more of the recommended disc or have the set calibrated by an ISF Tech and C.A.T.S. and ECO mode are turned off it will not be a problem.
If you watch in the torch mode you probably will experience strobing along with the fact that the whites are probably clipping and panel life will be reduced.
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So you turned those functions off and set the picture how you wanted it and it did not produce the results you wanted worked for me or do you own the set.

Yes I have the set, and ABL can be annoying, but I can definitely live with it. The settings you mention make the picture look dark and muddled, hardly anyone would ever use them. As I said before, ABL honestly has nothing to do with those settings. Whether the display is properly set or not it won't change how the ABL is going to dim bright content. I was however surprised to find that real life hockey was not affected by the ABL to the degree I thought, and simply switching the temp to warm1 made it look great. Hockey games on the other hand just didn't look very good, the set wasn't really close on matching the brightness output of the game.
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Yes I have the set, and ABL can be annoying, but I can definitely live with it. The settings you mention make the picture look dark and muddled, hardly anyone would ever use them. As I said before, ABL honestly has nothing to do with those settings. Whether the display is properly set or not it won't change how the ABL is going to dim bright content. I was however surprised to find that real life hockey was not affected by the ABL to the degree I thought, and simply switching the temp to warm1 made it look great. Hockey games on the other hand just didn't look very good, the set wasn't really close on matching the brightness output of the game.
What settings are you referring to?
Also if you are referring to a Hockey Game as in gaming its a known fact the colors and brightness are overblown compared to real life.
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What settings are you referring to?
Also if you are referring to a Hockey Game as in gaming its a known fact the colors and brightness are overblown compared to real life.

I only referred to the settings that you mentioned.

Yes, I know the colors/brightness in games are exaggerated, isn't that the point?
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I only referred to the settings that you mentioned.

Yes, I know the colors/brightness in games are exaggerated, isn't that the point?
I did not post any settings in this thread and in another I used D-Nice settings on mine without slides so I do not know what you are referring to and turning ECO and C.A.T.S. off is universally done by all Calibrators besides turning off smoother and noise reduction.
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I did not post any settings in this thread and in another I used D-Nice settings on mine without slides so I do not know what you are referring to and turning ECO and C.A.T.S. off is universally done by all Calibrators besides turning off smoother and noise reduction.

I was referring to the CATS/ECO settings, they are still settings after all.

I agree, anyone with even half a brain knows to not use either of those settings.
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