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I had my eye on the M Series last year, but the Panny caught my attention, and for the price at 65", I jumped. The M Series still has common LCD issues (i.e., the flashlighting, for example), but it produces a good picture and has good aesthetics.
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I had my eye on the M Series last year, but the Panny caught my attention, and for the price at 65", I jumped. The M Series still has common LCD issues (i.e., the flashlighting, for example), but it produces a good picture and has good aesthetics.
can somebody tell me in which page we have fairchild latest settings for s60
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can somebody tell me in which page we have fairchild latest settings for s60
I believe it was post 1528, but they are outdated. I will send you the excel spreadsheet
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I believe it was post 1528, but they are outdated. I will send you the excel spreadsheet
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I bought a LG PB6650 60 inch tv and then found a P50S60 for $499 at Sears Outlet new in box. I returned my LG and got the S60. Less screen area but much better picture so all in all no regrets. If you are interested I suggest checking Sears Outlet they still have some New in box Panasonic Plasmas (varies from area to area).
Is PB6650 that bad? I was looking to get one.
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Is PB6650 that bad? I was looking to get one.
Picture dynamics are usually not LG's strong suit. I haven't been able to find the numbers on this particular set, but not to my surprise, the contrast and black levels on the similar B6600 are very mediocre. http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...ew/the-science. You may want to consider the much better Samsung F5300 series instead.

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Yesterday my TC-P42s60 made a loud popping noise and went blank. When plugged in, it now emits 3 or 4 LED blinks. The set was manufactured in Jan 2013 and purchased in August 2013. It was working just fine till this point. I have ordered a replacement part and will likely take it into the local repair shop. But I'm not sure it's worth it...well, actually I hope it is since the TV is so awesome. Any thoughts?
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Yesterday my TC-P42s60 made a loud popping noise and went blank. When plugged in, it now emits 3 or 4 LED blinks. The set was manufactured in Jan 2013 and purchased in August 2013. It was working just fine till this point. I have ordered a replacement part and will likely take it into the local repair shop. But I'm not sure it's worth it...well, actually I hope it is since the TV is so awesome. Any thoughts?
The TV is close enough to the warranty period that it may still be covered. Unless the set requires a new panel, you probably have nothing to be concerned about. I would contact Panasonic before doing anything.

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I had my eye on the M Series last year, but the Panny caught my attention, and for the price at 65", I jumped. The M Series still has common LCD issues (i.e., the flashlighting, for example), but it produces a good picture and has good aesthetics.
What is 'flashlighting' ??
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What is 'flashlighting' ??

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What is 'flashlighting' ??
Ian provided a great link that shows how this manifests in content. It drove me to buy a plasma. I just couldn't stand the constant glow from the corners of my edge-lit LED when watching movies that had the black bars. And even during full-screen 16:9 content I would notice the corners were lighter than the rest of the screen.
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^ agreed. My father-in-law bought a 2012 Samsung D4000 series LED LCD.. he picked that one because the panel was actually black instead of off-black/grey, for better picture ya know.

Problem is that the lower corners flashlight so bad I really cant watch his tv if its a dark show or one that has letterbox bars on it. Colors and motion are very good on his tv, crisp clear image. But the black levels and flashlighting make me want to vomit. I go home and sit in front of my 55s60 and am BLOWN AWAY by the difference.

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Ian provided a great link that shows how this manifests in content. It drove me to buy a plasma. I just couldn't stand the constant glow from the corners of my edge-lit LED when watching movies that had the black bars. And even during full-screen 16:9 content I would notice the corners were lighter than the rest of the screen.

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^ agreed. My father-in-law bought a 2012 Samsung D4000 series LED LCD.. he picked that one because the panel was actually black instead of off-black/grey, for better picture ya know.

Problem is that the lower corners flashlight so bad I really cant watch his tv if its a dark show or one that has letterbox bars on it. Colors and motion are very good on his tv, crisp clear image. But the black levels and flashlighting make me want to vomit. I go home and sit in front of my 55s60 and am BLOWN AWAY by the difference.

Unfortunately these issues are difficult to see in overly bright environments when these TV's are on display. Manufacturers like Vizio and Toshiba are currently offering FALD sets even for those on a budget. Although they don't offer the same PQ and black level uniformity as most plasmas, you can now avoid edge lit LED LCD's without burning a hole in your pocket.

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I am looking for a plasma tv for.my movies viewing. Which one is better with movies the samsunv pn51f5300 or the panasonicModel:TC-PS60 50"? Thankz
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I am looking for a plasma tv for.my movies viewing. Which one is better with movies the samsunv pn51f5300 or the panasonicModel:TC-PS60 50"? Thankz
Assuming you're getting the PN51F5300"B"FXZA, both models have comparable PQ. (The original 'A' version is fairly behind the Panny, the new 'B' revision is not) The S60 will have edge in keeping ANSI contrast ratio while the F5300 will have advantage in ABL/brightness. The F5300 suffers more from reflections though. The F5300 also has an risk with a pink tinting. The S60 is has more grains and noise because of dithering.

When everything is said and done, it's pretty much a tie for both models. You will not be having a buyer's remorse just because you picked one over the other, both are great sets for movies!
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Assuming you're getting the PN51F5300"B"FXZA, both models have comparable PQ. (The original 'A' version is fairly behind the Panny, the new 'B' revision is not) The S60 will have edge in keeping ANSI contrast ratio while the F5300 will have advantage in ABL/brightness. The F5300 suffers more from reflections though. The F5300 also has an risk with a pink tinting. The S60 is has more grains and noise because of dithering.

When everything is said and done, it's pretty much a tie for both models. You will not be having a buyer's remorse just because you picked one over the other, both are great sets for movies!
Thank you. The reason i asked because some one from my local area selling his ps5o for 600 used. And i can get the samsjng 51 for the same price brand new. So if they are both the same goos for.movies i will just get the samsung. Thanks again.
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Thank you. The reason i asked because some one from my local area selling his ps5o for 600 used. And i can get the samsjng 51 for the same price brand new. So if they are both the same goos for.movies i will just get the samsung. Thanks again.
And if you can get the 51 inch one for $600, why not spend $50~$100 more and go up to the 60 inch pentile model? The 60 inch F5300B is being sold at a killer price. Too bad about its pink tinting though...
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The TV is close enough to the warranty period that it may still be covered. Unless the set requires a new panel, you probably have nothing to be concerned about. I would contact Panasonic before doing anything.

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Thanks. Tried switching out the PSU board, but it had no effect. Will check in w Panasonic.
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figured this was a good place to get a second opinion about a 50" S64 i found for $450. basically the seller said it was used as a spare tv if the main tv was being used and also mentioned it had about 100-200 hours (guess he didn't check service menu). he seems honest and said i can check it out and test for any defects if i'd like. there was no problems he couldn't spot with the TV when i asked him about it. so should i haggle the price lower or settle for $450 for an almost new 50" S64? the tv in question was manufactured in july 2013.

now obviously first thing i'm going to do is check the service menu for how many hours it was used for. if it's true what he said about 100-200 hours, i feel like i can really trust him.
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You can check the hours in the main menu. Go to Menu > Help > Version > Status4. The number after the letter represents the hours. So B0149-xxxxx equals 149 hours. That seems like a good deal to me. That tv also has the ST60's Anti Reflective coating while the S60 does not. This works on the higher end sets but I'm not sure on the S series.

You can also load up slides on a USB stick and play them on the tv to look for IR. Best to do it on a PC, a MAC will add unnecessary files to the drive. Some colors may or may not show any IR. Here's a link to the 12 and 120 color slide versions.

Official Panasonic VT60/VT65 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk]

To look for small screen cracks take a flashlight and shine it across the the screen, any defect will light up from the reflection.
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If it is as teh seller claims, and in good condition... no burn in, IR, low hours... I'd pay him the $450 and run with it. Then never let it go. I'd kill for another S60/S64/ST60 right now, just as a spare. Mostly because I am terrified my 2.5 yr old will destroy it. I cant really put the tv back in the box for a few years til he's older... and he's already put a couple good horizontal scratches in the front plastic panel (although they are invisible at viewing distance when the tv is either on or off, unless its off and the light hits it just right.

A 50" plasma of this quality for $450 is a great deal IMO.
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Even if it's closer to 500 hours, $450 still an outstanding deal for a 50" S64 -- if there are no defects. Be sure to look carefully for image retention especially.
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figured this was a good place to get a second opinion about a 50" S64 i found for $450. basically the seller said it was used as a spare tv if the main tv was being used and also mentioned it had about 100-200 hours (guess he didn't check service menu). he seems honest and said i can check it out and test for any defects if i'd like. there was no problems he couldn't spot with the TV when i asked him about it. so should i haggle the price lower or settle for $450 for an almost new 50" S64? the tv in question was manufactured in july 2013.

now obviously first thing i'm going to do is check the service menu for how many hours it was used for. if it's true what he said about 100-200 hours, i feel like i can really trust him.


I picked up the S60, same size, for 400 with 2000 hours on it. No IR issues and no static images. It always played broadcast at the store. I would say anything between 400-450 would be perfect.
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Hey if dmtaub or anyone could send me the updated calibration spreadsheet I would appreciate it. I'm running the one Fairchild made for the st60 since I got it.please upload a zip so everyone can have it. Or u can reach me at taz4101atgmail thanks guys
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If it is as teh seller claims, and in good condition... no burn in, IR, low hours... I'd pay him the $450 and run with it. Then never let it go. I'd kill for another S60/S64/ST60 right now, just as a spare. Mostly because I am terrified my 2.5 yr old will destroy it. I cant really put the tv back in the box for a few years til he's older... and he's already put a couple good horizontal scratches in the front plastic panel (although they are invisible at viewing distance when the tv is either on or off, unless its off and the light hits it just right.

A 50" plasma of this quality for $450 is a great deal IMO.
Hmm, children sound horrible little things.
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thanks all to who replied to me above. the tv had 193 hours and i can tell it was sitting there unused for a bit. no problem with the tv at all. and now i can enjoy this plasma until 4K content becomes the norm for everyone (including game consoles) so it'll be a long while until i ever look for a tv again.
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Congratulations -- that's a really rare find.
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Hey Everyone, looking for some advice. I've been getting a "no input message" while I have content on my tv. Then, I get a non responsive tv, so I shut it off, turn it back on, and get a "your tv had an error and recovered" message. I am only getting this when watching my directv box. I assume it is either the box or the HDMI cable (which is junk). Just making sure it isn't something with the tv as I am still in the warranty period. Thank you.
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Hey Everyone, looking for some advice. I've been getting a "no input message" while I have content on my tv. Then, I get a non responsive tv, so I shut it off, turn it back on, and get a "your tv had an error and recovered" message. I am only getting this when watching my directv box. I assume it is either the box or the HDMI cable (which is junk). Just making sure it isn't something with the tv as I am still in the warranty period. Thank you.
Try changing the cable and then re-setting the DTV receiver.

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