Well I finally saw some tv's in the wild today. I got to take a look at a 50S60, 60ST60, and a 65S64. The first two at Best Buy and the S64 at Sam's.
I was impressed by all of them. I forgot to look at the waviness that scooter mentioned. I just thought they all looked great. Didn't get to try the ST60 with 3D content as they apparently had it at a 3D station but with no 3D content hooked up.
I first saw the S60.
Now I am so new to tv's. In the past I just picked one that looked nice and went with a brand that I thought would be relieable. Those were lcd's, btw. This in no way is in depth.
So the S60 just seemed sexy to me. I think that is what the non filtered screen made me think. Just crisp and clear. I really liked it and it seemed to have a ton of controls allowing me change the picture just about any which way I wanted. The Best Buy loop was horrible. I'm going to have to get a demo thumbstick or something.
The ST60 was larger and in a lower secluded section. Again, really liked it. Just seemed really nice.
All in all I was a little uncomfortable at Best Buy and wanted to see if Sam's had the S64, which they did.
First thing I noticed was the larger screen size. I don't know what I was thinking when last fall I was at Sears and thought that 60" and 65" were just too big and that a 55" seemed like the perfect size...because 65" is awesome. It might have to do with Sears' showroom being smaller more intimate. I think at the time the farthest I could stand back and look at the 55" was just a couple feet. Standing back today, imaging how far away I would be at home (maybe 10 feet when reclined...idk) I realized I think I would like a larger size.
I really liked the 65S64 as well. I did play around with the settings slightly, even programmed in fairchild99's settings. It seemed like a solid tv. If I were to guess, I'd say the AR filtered seemed to be like 63% reflective as the 50S60 at Best Buy. But they were in two different settings, so my opinion should not count for much. Just that what scooter said of 90-95% seemed pretty far off imo. I feel like I definitely did notice a difference. Just not sure which one I would like more, if they were both 65 inches side by side in my basement. I am assuming I would like the S60 a little more down there in the dark, but again I could see me moving that upstairs in a couple years where it is brighter (way brighter), so I still lean towards the S64's AR filter. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the nice VT and euro's GT tech come down to the lower models over the next couple years creating quite a value, not to mention an uproar here on avs, even more so than the S60 and ST60 of this year. So I am kind of leaning towards looking forward to them and moving this one later to the upstairs / wifes tv room.
Again the Sam's loop was horrible. So I just couldn't get much real viewing material. But at one point I played with the color temps during a cooking show and man the ingredients the guy was using, like herbs and vegetables just looked amazing. I mean the picture looked superb in my opinion.
IDK. Like I said, I really liked the S60. But the idea of the AR filter I can't shake. Either one I think will be a solid choice. Today I got to see them in person, and sure enough they looked great. I will probably go back with some demo material, and give them all a little closer inspection.
The wife. She likes the big ones. She thinks we need a 65" and as a matter of fact she thinks it really is not all that big. For reference our biggest tv now is a 37".
I am most likely leaning towards the 65S64, but only over the S60 because it seems a better value for my long term plans. If I wasn't concerned about what was going to come out over the next couple of years, and knew this set was just going to be in my dark basement forever, then I would lean more towards the s60. But then again maybe I am, in the end, leaning more towards a future ST/VT with no lag, and a lower blowout price tag. Fact is I need a tv now that can hold its own with the rest of my entertainment system (along with console gaming), and the S64 seems to fit the bill. If I don't get another tv for 6 years then it will still be great down their I am sure. I'm not sure why it took me this long to consider getting a new tv. I've had my surround sound for a while. Guess I just didn't realize how big of a difference a nicer, larger tv could make.
So from here I will look into the Costco Squaretrade deal. Sam's offers an additional 1 year of warranty if you put it on their credit card, which I think I still have active on my account there. But they don't currently have any 0% programs on electronics which I mentioned to someone that they might. Instead I am looking at doing one of those slickdeals credit card things from Chase in which if you spend $3,000 within the first 3 months you get 50,000 points. 5,000 points get you a $50 Amazon gift card. Was planning on buying a couch and tv so, this way I can do that and get back $500 in Amazon gift cards. IDK, I need to reasearch it all, that deal may not be available anymore. If that doesn't pan out at least Discover card gives back $100 for a purchase over a $1000 right now, and I am pretty sure they add a year of additional warranty.
But at my Sam's the 65S64 was $1448. I understand it is at Costco for $1400. I will have to check into the warranty differences, and Costco membership fees (I am not a member there).
Unfortunately I did not get to see a VT60 or a F8500, but those are out of my price range this time around or at least in the size I am now wanting. I would have liked to have seen one in a 50" size just for comparison purposes, but it didn't happen. Seemed like the only other tv's around were LED's.
Anyways, basically, I came away impressed.