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Added new settings using Custom with a bit more shadow detail in my sig/first post.
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Panasonic 50" S60 calibrated settings
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Moon child I am not sure why you quoted me but I am in agreement with you while you claim I have a lack of understanding of how the filter works? Everything you said is a repeat of my posts over the weekend.

Oops, my bad. See, I saw the other day RWetmore making this claim and was too tired to post a rebuttal, and then I saw you today mention filter and I connected two incorrect dots frown.gif
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The S64 is going to be a superior panel because it has the same Infinite Black Pro panel (AR filter panel) as the ST60. The filter will not hurt light output as I've stated several times, the ST60 was more than bright enough and the clarity was pretty good.

There seems to be some ongoing confusion about the AR Filters and the Black Filters. The Anti-Reflective Filter (AR Filter) is the Louver Filter that's on the outer glass on the S64, ST60, and VT60. The S60 does not have an AR Filter at all. The AR Filter is completely separate from the Black Filter that's on the face of the Plasma Panel behind this outer glass.

The S60 and S64 both have the Infinite Black Filter. If you remove the outer glass from an S60 and S64 and put them both side by side, both TVs will have the exact same brightness and black levels since they both have the Infinite Black Filter.

The ST60 has the slightly darker Infinite Black PRO Filter.

The VT60 has the even darker Infinite Black ULTRA Filter.

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I thought I saw IBP on the S64 site, but it's just IB. My bad. However, the S64 doesn't even have the IB panel. So the S64 is still superior in that regards, for the same price.

Yeah I know the filter is separate too, I wasn't really clear about that because I put it in parenthesis.
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64" s60 finally setup the way I like it! Thanks for the help BruceOrlando



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64" s60 finally setup the way I like it! Thanks for the help BruceOrlando
Very cool Mark. Always wanted to do that to increase perceived contrast. How did you make sure you had the right length of light cord? Can it be chopped to the correct length and reconnected to the power?
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Anyone have pictures of their 65S60/64 mounted on the wall? I have a low profile mount and would like to see how it looks since the unit isn't the thinnest.

Also, I'm having a hard time finding which mounting points are used. Is this VESA compatible?

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Very cool Mark. Always wanted to do that to increase perceived contrast. How did you make sure you had the right length of light cord? Can it be chopped to the correct length and reconnected to the power?
For some reason my copy and paste isnt working. If you go to Amazon and search "Inspired LED backlight kit" you will see what I got. It is 6500k and works very well.

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For some reason my copy and paste isnt working. If you go to Amazon and search "Inspired LED backlight kit" you will see what I got. It is 6500k and works very well.
Humm well Mark seemed to make the 46-57 inch version work on his 65S64, so cool. I'll keep these in mind!
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Just curious, does this thread make sense to you guys? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling
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It makes sense that he doesn't pay attention to what people write, as he thinks I'm suggesting setting primaries correctly is a fix for noise. Not what I wrote at all.
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It makes sense that he doesn't pay attention to what people write, as he thinks I'm suggesting setting primaries correctly is a fix for noise. Not what I wrote at all.

You know you should exclude yourself from my query... (not that its not relevant but just because you've already participated in the discussion....I'm seeking why he didn't come here or other threads rather than his "i'm not a troll but I'm gonna rant" thread
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To make the length on the LED strip its very easy, they can be cut. Here's some great directions I followed from the inspired LED pdf

http://inspiredled.com/image/data/products/pdfs/Universal%20TV%20Backlight%20Kit.pdf

I ordered these from eBay after the advice from user BruceOrlando that these pretty much gave the same quality as the inspired and also came with a wireless remote to adjust brightness at any percentage you like. There are quick buttons from 25%,50%,75%, or 100% light output and even these you can tinker with to dial it in just the way you want.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310621089492?var=610178518766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I still had a lot of length left, and I did the upside down U shape in the back of my tv, BruceOrlando did the recommended method for a tv on a stand and just made a horizontal line across the back of his set, WHICH is probably the route I should have gone but if I decide to change my mind I can still cut the LED strip to fit a horizontal line perfectly

The below images were snapped with my iphone 5 so take that into consideration as this really doesn't represent what I'm seeing lol and also some photos have the LED set at 25%, others at 50%, and I'm pretty sure I didn't sample the only 100% shot was the one above with RYU on the screen.





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Anyone have pictures of their 65S60/64 mounted on the wall? I have a low profile mount and would like to see how it looks since the unit isn't the thinnest.

Also, I'm having a hard time finding which mounting points are used. Is this VESA compatible?

Thanks.

For the 65" the mountings holes are 684mm apart horizontally, and 300mm apart vertically. The holes are centered horizontally, but vertically are on the lower part of the set, meaning that some mounting brackets (like mine) needed modification so that they didn't hang outside the bottom of the screen.

More details are on page 9 here.

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Wow, I assumed reflections of reflections from a panel's own output, would no longer be bright enough to appear back on itself. Maybe with mixed content, dark & light, just seeing the bright reflections show up in the dark portions of the panel?

Forgive me if I am not explaining this correctly, but the reflections on the screen are of items in the room such as the chair or couch I happen to be sitting on. And yes, the reflections are mostly on the dark portions of the screen. I did not notice the reflections during the hockey game I watched, but that is a mostly white screen most of the time. Now, please note that I have been actively looking for things like this here early on. If I just sit back and "enjoy the show", its certainly not distracting, but like I said, I will be looking into ways to block the light from those windows.

You should also know that during the day, those three small windows, even though they are below grade, let in a decent amount of light. It is certainly not "bright & sunny", but definitely light enough to read a book without issue.

Based upon our typical viewing habits, Saturday and Sunday football will likely be the only time we have to worry about ambient light issues.
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I've been watching football with no issues on plasmas in a light drenched room for years. The only issue I've had is on some of the older plasmas it wasn't possible to get the brightness as high as I would have liked to combat the increased ambient light, but football was still plenty watchable. Reflections are generally a non-issue on bright content.

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To make the length on the LED strip its very easy, they can be cut. Here's some great directions I followed from the inspired LED pdf

http://inspiredled.com/image/data/products/pdfs/Universal%20TV%20Backlight%20Kit.pdf

I ordered these from eBay after the advice from user BruceOrlando that these pretty much gave the same quality as the inspired and also came with a wireless remote to adjust brightness at any percentage you like. There are quick buttons from 25%,50%,75%, or 100% light output and even these you can tinker with to dial it in just the way you want.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310621089492?var=610178518766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I still had a lot of length left, and I did the upside down U shape in the back of my tv, BruceOrlando did the recommended method for a tv on a stand and just made a horizontal line across the back of his set, WHICH is probably the route I should have gone but if I decide to change my mind I can still cut the LED strip to fit a horizontal line perfectly

The below images were snapped with my iphone 5 so take that into consideration as this really doesn't represent what I'm seeing lol and also some photos have the LED set at 25%, others at 50%, and I'm pretty sure I didn't sample the only 100% shot was the one above with RYU on the screen.

Love it! Tell me how you attached the LED strip to the back of your tv. Also, can you post a picture? thanks!
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I have to chime in on something.

This notion of the filter blocking light seems ridiculous to me. I mean, my s64 is really bright! If light IS being blocked, it has to be a very VERY minor amount! I'm not saying it isn't possible, but how bright do you want a TV to be? Are you looking to tan while watching TV?! Ha. Just saying ...

Another note: I have uVerse for TV service. I am unable to use the "surround sound" mode on the DVR as an audio output option because sound does not play through the TV speakers. After AT&T coming out multiple times and many hours researching, it appears this is the fault of the TV. The S64 is not able to process that signal. So, I have to switch to that mode only when I use my AV receiver. This is a minor inconvenience, but it is an issue. I'm not sure why ALL TV's would not process this signal out-of-the-box in 2013?

Otherwise, the TV is awesome!
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To make the length on the LED strip its very easy, they can be cut. Here's some great directions I followed from the inspired LED pdf

http://inspiredled.com/image/data/products/pdfs/Universal%20TV%20Backlight%20Kit.pdf

I ordered these from eBay after the advice from user BruceOrlando that these pretty much gave the same quality as the inspired and also came with a wireless remote to adjust brightness at any percentage you like. There are quick buttons from 25%,50%,75%, or 100% light output and even these you can tinker with to dial it in just the way you want.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310621089492?var=610178518766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I still had a lot of length left, and I did the upside down U shape in the back of my tv, BruceOrlando did the recommended method for a tv on a stand and just made a horizontal line across the back of his set, WHICH is probably the route I should have gone but if I decide to change my mind I can still cut the LED strip to fit a horizontal line perfectly

The below images were snapped with my iphone 5 so take that into consideration as this really doesn't represent what I'm seeing lol and also some photos have the LED set at 25%, others at 50%, and I'm pretty sure I didn't sample the only 100% shot was the one above with RYU on the screen.






Not sure on the correct terms, but the amount of "halo" you have surrounding your panel looks very good to me and is about what I was after.
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Picked up the 42S60 last thursday. Using cable feed till I invest in a BD player and figure out how to hook up my computer. No pops, buzz, line bleed, posterization,DSE. This set has exceeded my expectations in PQ. And at $400, I couldn't be happier. I have a south and a west facing window in my studio apartment with the TV against the south wall. Reflections are not an issue with the TV sitting on a 15" table. The low height is ideal for my viewing as I find it very comfortable with less eye and neck fatigue. Reflections come off the floor which has a medium colored carpet. If I look for it, I can see my white socks on occasion. I can stand and not have an AR filter block my view. Late afternoon sun is not an issue really.

Question. I'm trying to log-in to Netflix with the supplied remote. How do you get the letters to register on the keypad?
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At IDRICK: real easy, just peels and reveals the "sticky glue" on the back of the led strip to put in place.

The last photo of the joker I think I put the led output to 50% from the controller, the camera just captured it incorrectly. The top 2 were 25% or lower (the LIFE and Pan's Labyrinth ones).

The below pics are at 100% led output level, quite different and like I said with the remote I can manipulate it (personally I think its TOO bright at 100%). Here I had just got the LEDs in the mail and just strung them up real quick and hadn't even cut the strip to fit yet as you can see on the left side of the image you can see some LED's trickling down toward the ground





The pdf states for wall mounted tv do like I did, however mines not wall mounted but I wanted to go with the U shape just in case I decided to change my mind. BruceOrlando's did his like the pdf calls for, a horizontal line across the set.



I figured if I thought mine was wrong I could still have enough length to just cut another section of lights to make for the horizontal setup like above

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At IDRICK: real easy, just peels and reveals the "sticky glue" on the back of the led strip to put in place.

The last photo of the joker I think I put the led output to 50% from the controller, the camera just captured it incorrectly. The top 2 were 25% or lower (the LIFE and Pan's Labyrinth ones).

The below pics are at 100% led output level, quite different and like I said with the remote I can manipulate it (personally I think its TOO bright at 100%). Here I had just got the LEDs in the mail and just strung them up real quick and hadn't even cut the strip to fit yet as you can see on the left side of the image you can see some LED's trickling down toward the ground




Could you please tell me what video settings you use for your Xbox? I just can't really get the picture looking right and the image of your tv running the dashboard looks much closer to my goal.

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To make the length on the LED strip its very easy, they can be cut. Here's some great directions I followed from the inspired LED pdf

http://inspiredled.com/image/data/products/pdfs/Universal%20TV%20Backlight%20Kit.pdf

I ordered these from eBay after the advice from user BruceOrlando that these pretty much gave the same quality as the inspired and also came with a wireless remote to adjust brightness at any percentage you like. There are quick buttons from 25%,50%,75%, or 100% light output and even these you can tinker with to dial it in just the way you want.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310621089492?var=610178518766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I still had a lot of length left, and I did the upside down U shape in the back of my tv, BruceOrlando did the recommended method for a tv on a stand and just made a horizontal line across the back of his set, WHICH is probably the route I should have gone but if I decide to change my mind I can still cut the LED strip to fit a horizontal line perfectly

The below images were snapped with my iphone 5 so take that into consideration as this really doesn't represent what I'm seeing lol and also some photos have the LED set at 25%, others at 50%, and I'm pretty sure I didn't sample the only 100% shot was the one above with RYU on the screen.


I have a similar set of LEDs I got off eBay with a dimmer knob and the power brick buzzes if its not at 100% brightness.

Do you have any similar issues with this setup?
I also saw online these cheaper IR blaster kits use common codes that interfere with alot of home electronics.

Thanks for the post!
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Thanks, Mark! I've ordered the kit from ebay! smile.gif

My tv will be a corner. Does a corner installation cause any issues with backlighting? Does the color of the wall matter (current color is light green)?

At Mountain Michael, what is a "1/2 black tubular shutter"?
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Just curious, does this thread make sense to you guys? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling
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"I can't even fathom why this is considered the reference technology"
"Pioneer Kuro to a current 42S60"

Nothing this guy is saying is credible. He's either trolling or expects far too much from the "low-end" S60 this year, despite the fact that it is about as good as last years' ST50.
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Picked up the 42S60 last thursday. Using cable feed till I invest in a BD player and figure out how to hook up my computer. No pops, buzz, line bleed, posterization,DSE. This set has exceeded my expectations in PQ. And at $400, I couldn't be happier. I have a south and a west facing window in my studio apartment with the TV against the south wall. Reflections are not an issue with the TV sitting on a 15" table. The low height is ideal for my viewing as I find it very comfortable with less eye and neck fatigue. Reflections come off the floor which has a medium colored carpet. If I look for it, I can see my white socks on occasion. I can stand and not have an AR filter block my view. Late afternoon sun is not an issue really.

Question. I'm trying to log-in to Netflix with the supplied remote. How do you get the letters to register on the keypad?
I'm still surprised they're selling the thing for only $400.

You have to hit the keys repeatedly to get different letters, sort of like texting on old phones.
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Thanks, Mark! I've ordered the kit from ebay! smile.gif

My tv will be a corner. Does a corner installation cause any issues with backlighting? Does the color of the wall matter (current color is light green)?

At Mountain Michael, what is a "1/2 black tubular shutter"?

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