Originally Posted by MountainMichael
Did you intend that to sound presumptuous or condescending to the fairchild99 and the vast majority who like generously shared settings?
Has anyone told you that you have to live with fairchild99's settings? Appears your panel deviates from his and from many. Fine, it happens. Solution: Change the settings or get it calibrated or buy equipment and calibrate it yourself. If you do your own calibration, just know that it will not work for some. Hopefully they would still be thankful to you for sharing what worked on your panel.
Some have said they like C-Net's settings better and they left it at that. Those might be worth trying on a panel that doesn't respond well to fc99's settings.
I see no reason to act as though there is something definitely wrong with fairchild99's settings and that all of us are inexplicably accepting an orange picture when a more likely explanation is that your panel varies from the TV's of those who like his settings. Pro calibrators have said over and over in this thread that PANELS VARY and sometimes by a LOT. Had you really missed that?Ok, let's repeat it again:
Many pro calibrators say that panels vary a lot. Some believe that shared settings seldom work acceptably well because panels can vary so widely and so often.
Another guy a ways back in this thread said he couldn't believe everyone wasn't seeing green push in fairchild99's settings. And that was on warm2. He repeated that opinion in a few posts.
My picture isn't orange or showing red push or I would change settings or get it calibrated.
There is no way
I would accept an orange picture.On my panel, I absolutely vouch for fairchild99's settings - with no hesitation whatsoever. It is gorgeous.
I also feel lucky that I won't have to hire a calibrator due to my remote location.
I did see red push in a couple TV series in Amazon. That appears to be localized to the video content itself. Some vids in Amazon have glaring motion errors, too. Many don't.
I see a lot of people saying they like fairchild99's settings. In fact, I think it is safe to say that the great majority say that. I seriously doubt we're all just accepting an orange picture.
When I had my ST60, a lot of people were complaining about red push with D-Nice's settings. That doesn't mean his settings were off. I suspect his panel may have deviated from whatever the average is/was for an ST60. It seemed to lend support to the idea that shared settings don't always work out.
Appears fairchild99's panel may be electronically closer to the average S60/64 due to the significantly far greater number of AVS members who have thanked him for sharing his work on 10 iterations.
I believe that to be a LOT of work he so generously shared with us. He even bought new equipment, dialed things again and shared that with us in later settings.
Many may believe he is one of the leading contributors of time to the S60 thread. I certainly do.
I apologize if that is the way it came off to you, but I fail to see where I in anyway called into question the value of Fairchild's efforts and contributions to this community. Are you looking for someone insulting them? I simply said I dislike the warm colour temperatures as they make white look orange. This has been the same on every television or monitor I have ever seen (including many supposedly calibrated sets our AV club in college had (I wasn't a member, but we got to use those sets all the time) , or movie theater screen for that fact. It is possible that to my eye, white is slightly blue which may be part of my issue, I don't know. I would need someone to measure a display to pure white and then i'd have to look at it. I wondered why so many stuck by them (the stanards, not fairchild's settings) because they all just do look orange to my eye, always have, every single one i've ever seen.
I responded to a post asking if anyone had tried Fairchild's settings on normal, so I answered that they look green, I also gave my assumption on why that was the case. I use and like his settings, and have since I first put them in, just on the warm 1 setting as it is less orange, more slightly yellow, which I am willing to live with, it looks pretty good to me now that i've got somewhat accustomed to it. I still prefer a more neutral temperature but I use these as they are supposedly closer to what they should be, ignoring any deviation my set may have from his, I have no way to know.
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter
Xenon9887, did you try Warm 1? That might be a decent compromise, although I prefer everything to be flat - anything varying from Normal is introducing distortion to me. I suppose if Warm 2 is like wearing orange lenses, then Warm 1 would be like wearing yellow lenses?
Already settled on that weeks ago :P I keep trying to go to normal but things are just too green there. I tried dialing back the green but that makes things worse haha, hence settling on warm1. I'm no calibrator. Don't have the tools, and I doubt I have the eye.
Originally Posted by fairchild99
Just setting the color mode to warm2 is not a calibration. On a properly calibrated TV set using proper physical hardware + software + patterns, whites are white and grays are grays and colors are not over-saturated and flesh-tones are not overly one color or another. That's the whole point of the calibration, to get everything to look as close as possible to what the director envisioned.
The reason most calibrations begin on the warmer preset is because to get to the calibration points it is usually easier on that mode. You could try to calibrate to Rec.709/D65 while on the Cool2 preset, but you most likely won't be able to reach the desired calibration points since you would be soooo far away from where you are trying to get (D65 for grayscale is 6500k temperature, Cool2 is probably around 9300k or there about and way way blue tinged)
I completely understand the fact that using your calibration results in now way means my set is calibrated. Now I am honestly asking here, this isn't in anyway sarcasm or attitude. Why is it that any supposedly calibrated set I have ever seen, white always have an orange hue? It's like sitting in a room with a really warm incandescent bulb, a perfectly white, bleached piece of paper is all of a sudden orange. It is certainly correct to the lighting, because the paper is now reflecting orange light from the bulb, but its orange light, not white. Take the piece of paper outside on a night bright day, and it's now reflecting mostly white light, with some obvious mixing with some reflections from the sky and surroundings etc... This is what I expect outdoor whites on tv and in movies to look like, but I have never seen this.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this.