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But it should be reiterated for those dropping in here late that not all of us are experiencing the pops, I'm still running my personal settings on my 51F8500 which I'm sure are hotter then most here and I have no pops (Standard mode-Cell-20/contrast-97/brightness-46/gamma--1). Also note I have well over 200 hours on my TV..

Are you using warm2. Did you make adjustments to your 2pt wb orl leave them all at 25. Wondering if ouy see any greenish tint in stuff (faces).

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Since there is no time table, I would stick with my original reccomendation to return the TV. I would never make a decision on something that hasnt happened yet wink.gif

also, I would go see the sets in person and play with the settings if you can, take what was said to you with a grain of salt until you can see the set in person.

I second this. I've seen people buy a tech product hoping this or that problem will get fixed, and then when there is no fix, they get angry and bitter, and every body tells them "well if you knew this was a problem, why did you buy/keep it?"
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The E8000 did quite well in last years shootout and was no slouch, it wasnt the top set, but it wasnt a poor performer....

The problem people will ahve is that they didnt use the ANSI checkerboard for the contrast ratio wink.gif

As with any review however take everything with a grain of salt.....

I don't know how good the site is, but I don't think they know what "order of magnitude" means smile.gif
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You ll have to disregard the 'lines' in the first photo. I just wanted to compare PQ of the details in the faces/head area... *To my eye looking at the tvs, not these pic's, both tvs were really good in PQ. I was impressed that the f8500 was as good as the Kuro9gen, if not a hair better. Which is what was important to us only because we wanted a bigger size, the Kuro quality was to our liking until 4koled are normal $. Notice hoe the blacks are good that you cant see where the bars are & the bezel is... I can post more James Bond once I get calibrated settings that will have over 170 breakin hrs... later.

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Hey all, I just wanted to drop a note as a 60 inch F8500 owner. I had a previous post that mentioned I had to jack my blue gain up to 38 to get whites to look right in movie mode. I also mentioned I had some buzzing. It didn't feel right, especially when so many people said that the settings looked pretty good right out of the box for most people. I swapped out my set for a new one and I'm so happy I did. No buzzing, and much better picture right out of the box on movie mode. Kevin Miller is calibrating it next week.

I noticed the greeish tint in faces, etc. and the white not as white (when on warm2) as they should be for all other peoples professional calibrated settings Ive tried. Except for Mouse's calibrated settings (that has warm2 too) has the 2pt wb bluegain at 30 & it really makes the greentint go away and makes the white white. Could let me know what you 2pt wb end up being set at & if the greentint/white-white is good. Thanks, eh.

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Calibration Question:

I currently have the four standard picture modes tweaked so that I can choose one based on the brightness of the room. If I get the set professionally calibrated with a cal-day and cal-night setting, can I have them simply added as additional options to the existing picture modes? The tv is in a large room which can be very bright, semi-bright, rather dim or totally dark. I really do not want to remove any optional picture modes I currently have, just add to them.

I have tried general calibration settings listed on a variety of sites with a variety of tv's and, to be perfectly honest, have not been impressed with the result. Some were just flat out horrible. I have never had one professionally calibrated though, so I would at least like to give it a try this time, but I do not want to be stuck with settings I'm not happy with. Soooooo, having my own settings in addition to the calibrated ones would be very important to me. Can I have it done that way?
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Calibration Question:

I currently have the four standard picture modes tweaked so that I can choose one based on the brightness of the room. If I get the set professionally calibrated with a cal-day and cal-night setting, can I have them simply added as additional options to the existing picture modes? The tv is in a large room which can be very bright, semi-bright, rather dim or totally dark. I really do not want to remove any optional picture modes I currently have, just add to them.

I have tried general calibration settings listed on a variety of sites with a variety of tv's and, to be perfectly honest, have not been impressed with the result. Some were just flat out horrible. I have never had one professionally calibrated though, so I would at least like to give it a try this time, but I do not want to be stuck with settings I'm not happy with. Soooooo, having my own settings in addition to the calibrated ones would be very important to me. Can I have it done that way?

of course you can, in fact this is what will happen once they are unlocked in the SM. you will now have two add'l picture mode settings.
you simply may not like the rec. 709 std, and that is perfectly fine.

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Will a firmware wipe any calibrated settings???


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of course you can, in fact this is what will happy once they are unlocked in the SM. you will now have two add'l picture mode settings.
you simply may not like the rec. 709 std, and that is perfectly fine.

Just what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much!
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You ll have to disregard the 'lines' in the first photo. I just wanted to compare PQ of the details in the faces/head area... *To my eye looking at the tvs, not these pic's, both tvs were really good in PQ. I was impressed that the f8500 was as good as the Kuro9gen, if not a hair better. Which is what was important to us only because we wanted a bigger size, the Kuro quality was to our liking until 4koled are normal $. Notice hoe the blacks are good that you cant see where the bars are & the bezel is... I can post more James Bond once I get calibrated settings that will have over 170 breakin hrs... later.

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F1jpg seems to be crushing blacks.look at the lapels.

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I don't understand how to read the tweaktv settings.

I have no clue how to interpret the "Low Red", "Low Green", etc. settings.
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I don't understand how to read the tweaktv settings.

I have no clue how to interpret the "Low Red", "Low Green", etc. settings.

Those are the 10pt settings....There was a post within the last few pages that explains it better than I could....

Also. I am hoping you unlocked Cal-Day \ Cal-Night otherwise really you should use those settings, unless you use his Movie mode settings......
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Are you using warm2. Did you make adjustments to your 2pt wb orl leave them all at 25. Wondering if ouy see any greenish tint in stuff (faces).

Sadly the posted cal settings didn't look good to me and I was getting a green/yellowish tint so I have the 10p White Balance set to off (25 across the board) with my Color tone set at Warm1. I have the 51" so I'm sure that has something to do with the posted Cal setting which so far I've seen were for the 60 & 64".
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of course you can, in fact this is what will happen once they are unlocked in the SM. you will now have two add'l picture mode settings.
you simply may not like the rec. 709 std, and that is perfectly fine.

One more please...will I be able to make any modifications to the cal-day and cal-night settings? Thanks
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One more please...will I be able to make any modifications to the cal-day and cal-night settings? Thanks

If they are not locked in the service menu, you will be able to change them at will.

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Those are the 10pt settings....There was a post within the last few pages that explains it better than I could....

Also. I am hoping you unlocked Cal-Day \ Cal-Night otherwise really you should use those settings, unless you use his Movie mode settings......

Yes, I have both Cal Day and Cal Night unlocked but I have no clue how to interpret those numbers to change the 10 pt white balance and whatever else I need to.

Chad B wasn't lying - The default settings for CAL Day and CAL Night are some of the weirdest looking settings I've ever seen.
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Yes, I have both Cal Day and Cal Night unlocked but I have no clue how to interpret those numbers to change the 10 pt white balance and whatever else I need to.

Chad B wasn't lying - The default settings for CAL Day and CAL Night are some of the weirdest looking settings I've ever seen.

Take a look a few pages back (depending on how many posts per page you have) I believe a good explination of how to input them was given....or maybe that was in the settings thread wink.gif
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F1jpg seems to be crushing blacks.look at the lapels.

Yea, when I took that picture, I had just turned it on & I think black tone was on...

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Sadly the posted cal settings didn't look good to me and I was getting a green/yellowish tint so I have the 10p White Balance set to off (25 across the board) with my Color tone set at Warm1. I have the 51" so I'm sure that has something to do with the posted Cal setting which so far I've seen were for the 60 & 64".

ok. Those settings were basically what I used at first (might go back to them...), the key was warm1. I have used standard on the Kuro for over 5yrs, so going to warm1 was one thing, but this warm2 looks like piss. Only mouse's calibrated settings made warm2 (bluegain-30) look possible. I wish someone had a professional calibrated settings that used warm1 as part of their settings-combo's, so I could use those...

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Yes, I have both Cal Day and Cal Night unlocked but I have no clue how to interpret those numbers to change the 10 pt white balance and whatever else I need to.

Chad B wasn't lying - The default settings for CAL Day and CAL Night are some of the weirdest looking settings I've ever seen.

In the service menu, in addition to activating the CAL modes, you cal also lock the setting so they cannot be changed in the user menu. Don't confuse the terminology.

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In the service menu, in addition to activating the CAL modes, you cal also lock the setting so they cannot be changed in the user menu. Don't confuse the terminology.

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I'm confused by what you are talking about here. The two modes are available on my set and I can edit them but the default values create a really crazy looking picture. I also can't translate the values for the 10 pt white on the tweaktv site so it's kind of useless to me at the moment.
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I'm confused by what you are talking about here. The two modes are available on my set and I can edit them but the default values create a really crazy looking picture. I also can't translate the values for the 10 pt white on the tweaktv site so it's kind of useless to me at the moment.

Yes, you appear to be quite confused. I was not taking about the unusual defaults at all. I am taking about terminology. I am saying that if your CAL modes are available to you, they have been activated not unlocked --nothing else. smile.gif

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ok. Those settings were basically what I used at first (might go back to them...), the key was warm1. I have used standard on the Kuro for over 5yrs, so going to warm1 was one thing, but this warm2 looks like piss. Only mouse's calibrated settings made warm2 (bluegain-30) look possible. I wish someone had a professional calibrated settings that used warm1 as part of their settings-combo's, so I could use those...

Calibrators target the same standard and usually Warm 2 is closest to that standard. Therefore Warm 2 is the best/easiest starting point. Even if starting with Warm 1, the end goal for a professional calibration would be the same. In other words, if you don't like a set that's been calibrated starting from Warm 1, you won't like it if it's been calibrated starting from Warm 2 either. Or rather, you probably just don't like a calibrated (i.e. accurate) picture. (And nothing wrong with that; how you want to view content is your choice of course. But you won't experience content the way it was designed to look.)

Here's a thread with some good info: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1021933/display-calibration-root-fundamentals

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Anyone compared the F8500 to the S60 or ST60 to see which display has a sharper, crisper image? TIA.
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Calibrators target the same standard and usually Warm 2 is closest to that standard. Therefore Warm 2 is the best/easiest starting point. Even if starting with Warm 1, the end goal for a professional calibration would be the same. In other words, if you don't like a set that's been calibrated starting from Warm 1, you won't like it if it's been calibrated starting from Warm 2 either. Or rather, you probably just don't like a calibrated (i.e. accurate) picture. (And nothing wrong with that; how you want to view content is your choice of course. But you won't experience content the way it was designed to look.)

Here's a thread with some good info: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1021933/display-calibration-root-fundamentals

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Yeah I'm curious to see if the settings work even if set to movie mode. Why should cal mode be different just cause its named cal mode

Is your 10pt whitebalance on or off. I didnt see it in the file you shared with everyone. Thanks, eh.

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Is your 10pt whitebalance on or off. I didnt see it in the file you shared with everyone. Thanks, eh.

Im guessing its on, but those are settings they probably DONT want shared and thus not on the report.....This is just a guess though..
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Im guessing its on, but those are settings they probably DONT want shared and thus not on the report.....This is just a guess though..

Could it be calibrated with those off & they didnt even tell the owner or the calibrator said ok to share everything but the 10pt. I thought the owner was ok with sharing.

It is the best settings I ve seen with the warm2, for whatever reason it seems to make the overall PQ better to our eyes.

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Is your 10pt whitebalance on or off. I didnt see it in the file you shared with everyone. Thanks, eh.

thats the stuff one pays the big bucks for ! wink.gif

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Could it be calibrated with those off & they didnt even tell the owner or the calibrator said ok to share everything but the 10pt. I thought the owner was ok with sharing.

It is the best settings I ve seen with the warm2, for whatever reason it seems to make the overall PQ better to our eyes.

could it be? sure, was it most likely not...As far as setitngs they probably gave the OK to share the report, which dosent (as you have seen) include the 10pt numbers. The basic settins are probably the ones they were ok with sharing, but many calibrators dont want all the settigns shared as it takes many many hours to get to that point and let be honest, this is a living for them not a hoby on the side....

Well it looks best to "your" eyes wink.gif everyone is going to be different, sometimes you jsut need to stick with settings for a week to get adjusted to them. For teh Warm setting it WILL take some getting used to as msot TVs people have are set "too blue\cool"....Youll notice that it is "more yellow\red" when in actuality its closer to reference....After while you become accustom to that and when you go see the sets in the store or set your set to something that is on the cooler side, youll actually see the blue push more than ever......

Find some settings you like, stick with them for a week, give it time to settle in and for you to get used to them....You are not allowing yourself to become acclimated to anything if you keep tinkering with the settings wink.gif
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thats the stuff one pays the big bucks for ! wink.gif

^^^ This have to conisder ourselves very lucky if we get the full report WITH 10pt numbers......Every set is different though so in reality one should really have their personal set calibrated by a profeessional with experience and good equipment to attain the best results and ahve the TV perform at its peak performance.....

I know some of the calibrators that are watching this thread are cringing everytime they see someone say "calibrate" when all that they are doing is adjusting picture settings biggrin.gif
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