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A second confirmation! Man, that's really good news, I'm so happy for you guys. Hey, I'm happy for me too as the 8500 surges into the lead for my next display choice! biggrin.gif

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I'm not talking about downloading the file. I'm talking about installing it on the TV. I downloaded the file first thing this morning and have re-downloaded it several times.

oh, sorry. lost in translation!

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I tend to agree with Damien. The picture still looks amazing, but may have possibly lost the burn your retinas out level. We could both be wrong of course (will someone hook a meter up to this thing already tongue.gif). but I agree, it seems to have become ever so slightly dimmer, but more than acceptable, even for daytime viewing.

The fact that we both agree that the cell light has to be on 20 now shows their has been a loss of brightness. And im no calibrator but im betting also gamma at at least +1 or +2 will be the norm now.

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Do you have to go to 1102 and then 1103? The auto update said 1102 is what's available.


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usually takes a day for it to be avail ota, unless i misunderstood your question...

That's what I was asking. I'll grab it from the site.


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Do you have to go to 1102 and then 1103? The auto update said 1102 is what's available.


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You have to download it if you want it now. Otherwise have to wait for OTA. Personally I couldn't' wait so I downloaded it. I'd recommend you do the same if you have the time. Watching Frozen Planet on DirecTV and it looks like a Blu-Ray (always did) but man oh man, what an incredible picture.

I'd say before Cell Light at 20 hurt my eyes a bit...now it seems perfect. Maybe it's the lighting today. Maybe it's my eyes. Maybe it' s placebo. Either way I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with this 2D picture. If there is a brightness decrease IMO it won't effect anything even remotely close to normal viewing conditions.

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You have to download it if you want it now. Otherwise have to wait for OTA. Personally I couldn't' wait so I downloaded it. I'd recommend you do the same if you have the time. Watching Frozen Planet on DirecTV and it looks like a Blu-Ray (always did) but man oh man, what an incredible picture.

I'd say before Cell Light at 20 hurt my eyes a bit...now it seems perfect. Maybe it's the lighting today. Maybe it's my eyes. Maybe it' s placebo. Either way I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with this 2D picture. If there is a brightness decrease IMO it won't effect anything even remotely close to normal viewing conditions.
Well said and yes the hurt your eyes brightness is gone lol

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You have to download it if you want it now. Otherwise have to wait for OTA. Personally I couldn't' wait so I downloaded it. I'd recommend you do the same if you have the time. Watching Frozen Planet on DirecTV and it looks like a Blu-Ray (always did) but man oh man, what an incredible picture.

I'd say before Cell Light at 20 hurt my eyes a bit...now it seems perfect. Maybe it's the lighting today. Maybe it's my eyes. Maybe it' s placebo. Either way I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with this 2D picture. If there is a brightness decrease IMO it won't effect anything even remotely close to normal viewing conditions.

if brightness is indeed lower, wondering if we'll get lower blacks?!

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I saw that too wink.gif waiting for someone with a meter to test out to see how much things actualy change form before the fix...

I agree, after the last update I thought my F8500 looked slightly less bright and as we all know that update did not concern the pop or brightness issue... As someone earlier stated it could be a placebo effect, meter readings will tell us for sure...
But I have to say my F8500 has plenty of headroom when it comes to brightness, a 5-10℅ hit would be nothing.. It'd also be interested to see if blacks got even better with this update.. wink.gif
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if brightness is indeed lower, wondering if we'll get lower blacks?!

Blacks still look good to me. Kind of the same maybe a little bit lower. We really someone with a meter to take new post update 1103 measurements asap.

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I agree, after the last update I thought my F8500 looked slightly less bright and as we all know that update did not concern the pop or brightness issue... As someone earlier stated it could be a placebo effect, meter readings will tell us for sure...
But I have to say my F8500 has plenty of headroom when it comes to brightness, a 5-10℅ hit would be nothing.. It'd also be interested to see if blacks got even better with this update.. wink.gif

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some more updates from me today.

first, I installed the 1103 FW. I did not notice any changes. 'pops' still happen when I force them, and I never noticed them during normal viewing before anyway, so take it for what it's worth. didn't notice any change in brightness or blacks.

today's main testing was with gaming in regards to the input lag. I was so concerned about it, I actually ran a second HDMI to input 2 so that I could let my harmony one automatically go to input 2 with 'PC' label for using the xbox/ps3 while keeping my HTPC, Cable, etc going to input 1 with whatever video setting I ultimately calibrate with. basically, I don't care if I need to use game mode, or PC, I just don't want to have to dig through the menus everytime I switch...

so anyway, I loaded up COD and just played through the campaign from where I left off. to be honest, I really didn't notice any problems. I tried out the PC input anyway to double check. definitely wasn't sensitive enough to it to notice a problem. i'm going to leave the second input hooked up though. it seemed useful to have the image 'too bright' so I could see the guys hiding in the shadows.

I did almost reveal another problem though. during some gameplay I got this loud, high pitched tone coming from behind the tv. I paused the game and the sound went away, started playing again and it came back. ok, turned off the receiver to double check, sound still came on when I started playing again. damn. so started messing with the backlight, it seemed to help if I turned it down. anyway, by this time I was concerned enough to start investigating, took a peak behind the tv and saw my UPS sitting there...hmm. played the game again and sure enough, it was the TV maxing out the rating on my UPS! I guess this is a non-concern really, but i'm a little stuck. my only solution is to not use the UPS for the TV, or turn on the ECO modes. I finished playing the game with the ECO mode set to the highest setting, it wasn't terrible, but it's not 'fixed' either. so I guess i'm in the market for a larger UPS now.

but wow, this tv is power hungry when there's bright images on screen!

I also watched some SD cable for the first time. going from a 50 - 64 reveals a lot of the details that used to be hidden. I saw this with the projector as well. it's watchable, but looks pretty bad. but that being said, my AVR upscales everything to 720p before it reaches the TV, so it's not all the TV's fault.

but after 24hrs of ownership. i'm quite happy. I can watch any kind of movie and just watch it again. no more seeing grey blobs that are supposed to be shadow details. nothing at all really to distract me from the content. well, other than the fact that i'm still looking at it very closely. once the 'new tv' wears off i'm confident i'll just look 'through' the screen into the picture. so i'm still happy with my purchase, and the huge box taking up space in my basement may get tossed pretty soon. I think she's a keeper, regardless of what the shootout says...

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Optimizing now... I'm nervous as hell. Lol


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Optimizing now... I'm nervous as hell. Lol


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when I saw that i was like this better be the fix lol. Let us know if you notice that the brightness decreased

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Guys maybe I am crazy but the pops don't bother me so I cant see giving up brightness, I want the brightness can some one tell us how much we lose and if it is permanent?

guess you dont watch hockey.
id say we lose about 10% brightness but I could be wrong.
As for permanent its permanent until at least the next update lol.

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Could you walk through the steps you took to update the firmware? I can't seem to get a successful update.

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Guys maybe I am crazy but the pops don't bother me so I cant see giving up brightness, I want the brightness can some one tell us how much we lose and if it is permanent?

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Could you walk through the steps you took to update the firmware? I can't seem to get a successful update.

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Download it. Unzip the contents to a blank USB stick. Insert USB stick into TV and go to "Software Update" under "Support" and select "Update Now". It should ask if you want to search the USB stick for an update. Say yes.

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when I saw that i was like this better be the fix lol. Let us know if you notice that the brightness decreased

Has anyone tried doing a factory reset after doing the updates. I have a 51'D8000. When I first did a firmware update (decrease 3D flicker) I noticed that nothing had changed. But when I did a factory reset in the service menu it made a significant difference. Almost as if the firmware didn't take effect until I did the reset. Just my $.02

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Download it. Unzip the contents to a blank USB stick. Insert USB stick into TV and go to "Software Update" under "Support" and select "Update Now". It should ask if you want to search the USB stick for an update. Say yes.

That's what I thought... not sure what's wrong with my tv.

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That's what I thought... not sure what's wrong with my tv.
make sure the usb stick you are using only has the update on it and nothing else. Also I think its safe to say you should be able to download it in the next 24 hours through the tv, If ever there was a mandatory update this one is it.

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Has anyone tried doing a factory reset after doing the updates. I have a 51'D8000. When I first did a firmware update (decrease 3D flicker) I noticed that nothing had changed. But when I did a factory reset in the service menu it made a significant difference. Almost as if the firmware didn't take effect until I did the reset. Just my $.02

I'm currently building out my basement and am excited at the thought of having a 64' F8500 hung on the wall in the cave. :-)

I believe a factory reset on this tv has to be done by a samsung tech over the phone who connects to your tv via internet.

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That's what I thought... not sure what's wrong with my tv.

In the past the Samsungs did not like extremely large size memory sticks. Try again with as small a stick as you have. (I keep an old 1 GB just for this.)

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Please all EU F8500 owners. Contact you local Samsung offices and ask them to bring us the new firmware that fixes pops...
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In the past the Samsungs did not like extremely large size memory sticks. Try again with as small a stick as you have. (I keep an old 1 GB just for this.)

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Great news on the pop fix. I wonder how the decreased brightness will affect the calibration?

Now if Robert can get Panasonic to fix their calibration problems..........

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Pinger do you notice any brightness decrease after installing 1103?

I haven't updated to 1103 yet.. Unfortunately I'm working a 24 hour shift so its not a option for me until tomorrow and even then I may hold off updating just yet since I wasn't experiencing the pop issues..
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8500 Not on the List:

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Long time lurker, and an owner of a 64" F8500 here. I just updated from 1102 to 1103, and I found no drop in peak brightness. I didn't use a light meter, but I did shoot a fixed manual exposure of an 11 step grayscale pattern (in RAW format, with exposure set to protect blacks and whites from clipping) before and after the update. Take this all with a grain of salt - it's not thoroughly scientific, but it is reassuring.

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