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Ah, now that's an interesting point. I don't know if these units have room sensors, but on any panel I've owned, that's one of the first things I disable. They play havoc with the picture.

I believe Samsungs ahve Eco Sensors, but they should be "off"
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"Our 9th annual 2013 Flat Panel HDTV Shootout Evaluation Event will be 6pm Friday, May 10th and 6pm Saturday, May 11th."

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All that actually sounds reasonable. It might take more time with random images to "remove" a retained image. I guess the question is what retained it in the first place.
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We have watched a half dozen hours of ESPN more than a few times... Or a day of the Olympics on NBC... Or lord knows how much CBS in a row... Or Food Network... In zero of these cases have I ever seen a logo stay behind... Oh, also, in the summer, we've surely watched "hours in a row of the USA channel"....
I don't think either of us has ever brought out the color slides to check for IR as a normal part of watching our plasmas. wink.gif
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Again, I'm not saying no one has ever had a problem doing this, but I just don't think the reality is most (many?) people would, especially with a reasonably calibrated display.
I agree. I can't come up with anything to explain how many do or don't have IR that they don't have to search for. Our set had 900 hours on it when it was first calibrated. I tried to stick to safer sources during the first 500 hours. I can't think of anything worth six hours of ESPN viewing except NCAA basketball in March, but I don't do that. We do watch the Olympics and I do watch the NFL from 10:00 AM to 9:00 PM on occasion. eek.gif
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I have actually tried hard to cause some sort of retention. And I have failed.
I know. I couldn't do that. If I tried and succeeded, what would I tell my wife? wink.gif
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Ah, now that's an interesting point. I don't know if these units have room sensors, but on any panel I've owned, that's one of the first things I disable. They play havoc with the picture.

I believe Samsungs ahve Eco Sensors, but they should be "off"
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I had no idea.
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So can you post any updates on the judder. When I was checking out the TV at the store, I noticed it as well but I couldn't adjust any settings as the remote wasn't available. Were you able to get a smooth picture by playing around with the settings or is it jerky?

Thanks.

My settings for Movie Mode are:
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Motion Lighting: Off
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEF Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Normal
Film Mode: Off
Motion Judder Canceller: Off
Black Optimizer: Dark Room

I found that to be the best combo for 24p content. Movies look out of this world great, but not full-on SOE effect. I haven't figured a combination that turns on MJC for the Soap Opera Effect full-on but minimizes judder. Star Trek with MJC on was a hot-mess.
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Flicker like a fluorescent bulb. Not as fast as a bulb would be though. I fraction of a second slower. So it looks like it went to dim and then said oh crap, I better not. I tried this more today and it seems less dramatic if at all when the room is really bright. So maybe a light sensor? (Disclosure: I am a newbie for a reason. LOL I like good video and audio, but I will never pretend to know enough to talk about it properly.)

Make sure you have Eco sensor (or something similar) disabled. It's in the menu somewhere.

Also, Motion light in the display menu should be disabled too.

Otherwise, I guess you should avoid 16-17.
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Hmm....may be the ABL sweet spot that causes the infamous flicker. Joe can you confirm this?

I haven't seen any of it at 16 or 17 on my PN51F8500 with default movie mode.I only turned off motion canceller judder. Been watching hockey to look for it.

I am pretty happy with the picture with those default settings until I can get some calibration settings.

Let me rephrase. This TV is Awesome!!!!


I just changed the colorspace to Native and color tone to Warm 1 which seems to seems to bring out a little more white in whites to me looks better when I watch Hockey
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Just saw one again at Magnolia playing Ironman two on Blu-ray.
Hands-down the best television since the last Pioneer Elite.
Actually I thought even more fantastic than the last generation elite as It had all the black level of the elite but The brightness was almost LED like. I've never seen that kind of combination in a plasma television,
Stunning STUNNING television.

Funny that best television to date was coming out this year, and I and most people didn't even know about it at all..with all of the fuss with 4k and oled.
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I just wanted to post some of my impressions of the PN64F8500
This set looks amazing. As my fiance put it, "It looks like watching through a window." We watched the Penguins game last night. The ice was white. We had a PN60E7000 before. The ice looked dirty and brownish on that set. Not so on this set.
If I can answer any questions about the set, let me know.

thank u very much for your info... i particularly appreciate knowing u are comparing it to the E7000 since that's what i am exchanging for this one. this is terrific to hear! enjoy your new set smile.gif

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Thanks to all for the great contributions to this thread. I will be receiving my 64f8500 tomorrow. Very excited to say the least. I am new to the plasma business and wondered if anyone could be so kind as to relay any tips/advice/settings to get this baby on her feet the right way?

Thanks in advance!!
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I just changed the colorspace to Native and color tone to Warm 1 which seems to seems to bring out a little more white in whites to me looks better when I watch Hockey

Yes, colorspace to Native, works great on the E series also.
Warm 2 sucks, avoid that and don't watch the yellow snow.eek.gif
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I don't think either of us has ever brought out the color slides to check for IR as a normal part of watching our plasmas. wink.gif

I've never used the slides. But I have paused the display on nearly full white backgrounds (from commercials) and full blacks (between ads and programming) to try to find IR. No "luck".
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I know. I couldn't do that. If I tried and succeeded, what would I tell my wife? wink.gif

I tried to explain this image retention mania to my wife who admittedly thought I was a bit nuts for participating in these discussions. I figured even if I had gotten a logo to "stick", it would unstick pretty quickly anyway.

Anyway, I couldn't do it.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I tried to explain this image retention mania to my wife who admittedly thought I was a bit nuts for participating in these discussions.
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Does the panel have any linebleed?
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About Black Optimizer, I think this Samsung's patent describes the mode of operation.

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2023321A1?cl=en&dq=inassignee:%22SAMSUNG+SDI+CO.,+LTD.%22+plasma+display+driving+reset+black&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VY1TUbuIKYu20QGqj4GIDA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA

In scenes with a high Average Picture Level (APL) - that is, scenes which have a high proportion of bright elements - the ABL will reduce the overall brightness output of the plasma panel to stabilize power consumption; conversely in scenes which have a lower proportion of brighter elements (low APL), the overall brightness of the scene is allowed to be higher.

I think the Black Optimizer works with the same logic, analyzes the APL/grayscale frame by frame and adjusts Reset Time in 8 zones (subfields) to reduce the black level and/or rise brightness .

Traditionally most plasmas worsens the black level of the ANSI test, but in 2012 models the black level was stable. My doubt is whether the black level changes because of the APL analysis by Black Optimizer, or simply because it worsens with white on screen. If it is because of Black Optimizer, scenes with another value of APL may have a better black values more relevant to the content that we see in everyday (sports APL has average 40%, 20% movies). In the 4x4 ANSI test, the APL is 50% (8x 0% IRE squares and 8x 100% IRE), rarely we see some content with APL so high.



Some movies examples:
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900x900px-LL-2eaf4584_chart_godfather.gif

It would be great if D-Nice or another calibrator could test the ANSI with 10%, 20%, 30% and 40% APL.

An example for an 20% APL: (4x4 checkeboard, 8 squares of 0% IRE and 8 with 40% IRE).
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ON SAMSUNG'S HOME PAGE.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN64F8500AFXZA smile.gif

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I'll post here as well, but how does the F8500 stack up compared to the VT50. I currently have a VT50 that is getting replaced and Panasonic is getting impatient waiting for the tv to be returned to them. Not sure I can wait another two months for the ZT (was told June to the warehouse in Canada), but my dealer does have the F8500 in now. I can get the 64" F8500 for a couple hundred less then the 60" ZT60 would cost me.

So what would people do? Go bigger or wait. Will I notice a huge difference in black levels between the F8500 and VT50? Will the overall picture be better on the F8500?
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Definitely wait and then choose.
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I'll post here as well, but how does the F8500 stack up compared to the VT50. I currently have a VT50 that is getting replaced and Panasonic is getting impatient waiting for the tv to be returned to them. Not sure I can wait another two months for the ZT (was told June to the warehouse in Canada), but my dealer does have the F8500 in now. I can get the 64" F8500 for a couple hundred less then the 60" ZT60 would cost me.

So what would people do? Go bigger or wait. Will I notice a huge difference in black levels between the F8500 and VT50? Will the overall picture be better on the F8500?

Replied to both of your posts in the other thread, youll get the same advice here that you will there....IF you can wait then wait, but it looks like you cant so your choices are limited...
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Replied to both of your posts in the other thread, youll get the same advice here that you will there....IF you can wait then wait, but it looks like you cant so your choices are limited...

If you can't wait I'd suggest taking the 64" 8500 now. That way in a couple of months, assuming the the ZT60 has features that you absolutely must have, you still effectively have a brand new and very desirable 64F8500 that you can sell/trade in.

Now if it goes the other way and the 8500 turns out to be the display you like best, then it's already in your home and your worries and efforts are over.
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ON SAMSUNG'S HOME PAGE.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN64F8500AFXZA smile.gif

A new firmware is available in the download section:

Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1015.2)
- Picture quality is improved.
- Performance is improved.
- Some bugs is fixed.
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- Some bugs is fixed.

That sentence does not inspire a lot of confidence...

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That sentence does not inspire a lot of confidence...

Does that mean 'some' as in 'not all'? eek.gif
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That sentence does not inspire a lot of confidence...
That looks about what any line from a company that is not US based looks at. ahv eyou seen some of the buf fix release notes have looked like from other companies? You dont need to speak or write English well to be a programmer wink.gif
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Does that mean 'some' as in 'not all'? eek.gif

Of course its "some" there are usaully always some type of bug to be fixed, otherwise they'd all be out of jobs fairly quickly....
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A new firmware is available in the download section:

Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1015.2)
- Picture quality is improved.
- Performance is improved.
- Some bugs is fixed.

Already, WOW

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A new firmware is available in the download section:

Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1015.2)
- Picture quality is improved.
- Performance is improved.
- Some bugs is fixed.

Blimey, already?

Downloading thanks!

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Doesn't seem to be available for me just yet.

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It IS available as a download for USB upgrade. 640 Mb? All that unneeded smart crap frown.gif
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Of course its "some" there are usaully always some type of bug to be fixed, otherwise they'd all be out of jobs fairly quickly....

I was actually being facetious. wink.gif
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Blimey, already?

Downloading thanks!

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Doesn't seem to be available for me just yet.

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It IS available as a download for USB upgrade. 640 Mb? All that unneeded smart crap frown.gif


It put it on USB drive fat32 it says no valid file found when I run the software update and it searches the drive
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^ I'm just about to apply it. I think you have to extract the .msd file out of the downloaded zip.

Put the extracted file on the root of the USB drive.
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^ I'm just about to apply it. I think you have to extract the .msd file out of the downloaded zip.

Put the extracted file on the root of the USB drive.

Did that. Maybe it doesn't like my thumb drive
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