Originally Posted by Ken Ross
It's also interesting that the positive virtues of the 8500 in the shootout can now be characterized as 'one television'. So perhaps the black levels of the VT/ZT may not be reproducible in most/all ZT'S/VTs. After all that was just 'one television'. This is getting really weird. It's taken on the look of almost 'desperation' in some posts. Bizarre.
No one has done this. The leap in logic here is extraordinary and ridiculous.
Your support for the F8500 not having poor blacks or black issues is that professionals/calibrators viewed the set, and none of the attendees commented on poor blacks- in fact quite the opposite. I understand that.
This is fine, but yet only one instance of the F8500 with multiple sets of eyes and opinions about said instance. So let's say Dave brings his F8500 in the room with all of those guys and do you think anyone notices the same issue he does? Why wouldn't they?
When Dave turns black optimizer off and it solves the issue these attendees also presumably notice, do they all now miss the fact that his set has barely better than ST30 blacks? Or is Dave the only one seeing this in the room?
Of course not.
I don't own this set, as stated previously I'm coming from a 4-year old Kuro. The F8500 is at the top of the list for me right now. Like I said, I want this to be it. The VT60 seems to be had a tad cheaper right now, but I'm really preferring this guy for multiple reasons. I just don't like the possibility of unboxing and having the experience Dave is having. Arguing with CS and trying to get a brand new TV replaced with another is not something I look forward to doing.
Isn't that the whole point of this thread? After all, it's not an owner's thread.