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The lag in non pc or game mode is indeed horrible. Sorry. This of course depends on what type of game you play and if it needs a quick response time. In pc or game mode it's soso.......
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But let's keep things in perspective. From a normal viewing distance the vertical angel will be a non-issue.

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I purchased the 65" VT60 last week. The fan noise is way too loud for me. I will be returning it and replacing it with a 64" F8500. Hopefully, there won't a problem with buzzing on the F8500...
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Did anyone happen to look at the link I posted yesterday about the buzz relative to how Samsung perceives the issue and check their elevation above sea water to see if there is a correlation?

Here is the link again:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00022542&fm_seq=22710#
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I've mentioned that several times when discussing buzzing. It's been stated for a long time that altitude plays a role in the magnitude of the buzzing.
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^ A little teaser there wink.gif
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I've mentioned that several times when discussing buzzing. It's been stated for a long time that altitude plays a role in the magnitude of the buzzing.

Thank you, Ken! I'm glad you chimed in on this I didn't know that you had said that in this thread I must of missed it. So I would assume being in Houston, TX that I shouldn't have any buzz issues once my PN64F8500 gets delivered next week.
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^ A little teaser there wink.gif

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Thank you, Ken! I'm glad you chimed in on this I didn't know that you had said that in this thread I must of missed it. So I would assume being in Houston, TX that I shouldn't have any buzz issues once my PN64F8500 gets delivered next week.

oh I wouldn't bet on that.wink.gif

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impressive chart! whats even more staggering is that there are almost 304,000 views!!! cool.gif

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this thread has been the business on AVS forum for weeks

Though as of a few days ago the ST60 thread is now the most active I noticed




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My first HDTV turned green (Sony XSRD 70") they replaced it with a 60" LED for $150. Well today I finally pulled the trigger on my first plasma (Samsung 64F8500) and its awesome! Sure it wasn't that impressive in the stores and friends said "plasma is out" (so is LCD/LED in the long run). I was on the fence to go F8000 or F8500 but avs nudged me the right way I hope smile.gif Looking through the menus, what to do first???
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Well if it were me I'd start watching TV wink.gif
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Guys i have flicker on cell 16-17. Do you have it? Its a known problem from the beginning of F8500. Is it fixed in US? EU firmware 1103 here...
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Unfortunately I briefly owned a 55HX950 full array local dimming LED, probably the best LED you can get apart from the Sharp Elite (which you can't buy in Aus), and I found the contrast, colours and blacks were significantly worse than even the VT30 from a few years ago. Technically could go darker than any plasma but the blooming killed it. So I think I'm definitely a plasma guy as far as picture quality goes.

I cannot stress how much getting the right calibration settings inputted into your led, will make a difference,., I too, thought the same thing you did, until i searched long and hard
and at last found the right settings.. I have never viewed the picture quality from a sony 950,but i have from a sharp eilite, and trust me, when set right, it blows away the vt30 in every department.,
(when not viewed from extreme angles) lol
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Not to be a nitpicker (some might say "not again"), but the best LED at the recent shootout (a Samsung) in NY still lagged in most areas next to the 3 plasma contenders. If anything, full-array LEDs (Sharp Elite, Sony XBR65H95) are the closet one can get to Plasma but have been all but phased out. An edgelit LED definitely doing better with BD (Blu-ray disc) is even harder to fathom.

I think in general plasmas are being phased out much more so than leds.. Since most brands continue to make leds, while most have stopped making plasmas.. Why would you not believe
that the led would produce a better picture while playing a BR? It puts out almost twice the light as my plasma, which gives it a "pop" that is hard for any plasma to match (maybe except for
the F8500).. I never bought into Cnets theory that PQ is 100% about black levels. Id much rather have a detailed picture, with vivid colors and supreme clarity.. Deep black levels are nice to have
but its not the first thing i look for (anymore).. Why do you think that most people prefer the PQ of the f8500 compared to the ZT60, despite the fact that the zt60 has noticeably deeper black levels..
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this thread has been the business on AVS forum for weeks
Though as of a few days ago the ST60 thread is now the most active I noticed
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despite the fact that the zt60 has noticeably deeper black levels..

I would take umbridge with that. "Noticeably better" black levels? Uhm, no. Well, maybe calibrators in an absolute 0 light environment, on certain material, MAYBE. I'd put my 8500's black levels up against a zt owners any day of the week and would not for a millisecond think anyone would honestly pick the zt over mine in black levels. I dare say nobody could see the difference, IF there actually was one (my particular 8500 has the best black levels I've ever seen on ANYthing, so maybe I just got a great one in this area, whereas my max brightness is only 40ftl, that may be my trade-off... better blacks). But two things you WOULD notice while comparing our black levels, the 8500's brightness (mine calibrated to 39.4 ftp, zt can only hit 33ftl I think) and also the clarity/sharpness/detail (whatever you want to call it) where the zt looks like it has a small layer of crisco rubbed over it by comparison.

But noticeably better black levels? Noticeably? Uh, no. In fact, bring it on... I'd pit my 8500 against ANY set's black levels. I'd dare to even say you might even end up picking my 8500 for black levels. I know I know, the shootout, the calibrators; but not every set is equal and I got a set that particularly excels at black levels. So ya, bring it.

Next year at the shootout they really need to hide the bezel and the rest and just show the display itself. Nothing but the screen. Like a blind taste test. I have a feeling this would change a few peoples votes. Especially non-calibrators.

p.s. Tony, I don't mean this to you... I'm just using your post to make a point to anyone else that may think the opposite of what I'm saying. So forgive me for using your post as a launch point. wink.gif

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^ Uh, so you changed your title? Now that adds to the confusion confused.gif

As I understand it, once it says 'owners thread', there are certain rules that apply as to comparing oranges and apples...

It wasn't an owners thread to begin with, just look at all the pages of spurious crap in it. You could cut out more than 50% of this thread and have lost nothing regards to valuable info pertaining to the F8500.

I'm not enjoying your tactics here Chris.

I know it increases your revenue stream, the more this thread gets used but that's not what this thread is about TBH and using this thread for commercial gain is quite frankly somewhat disturbing.

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Thank you, Ken! I'm glad you chimed in on this I didn't know that you had said that in this thread I must of missed it. So I would assume being in Houston, TX that I shouldn't have any buzz issues once my PN64F8500 gets delivered next week.

Well remember that altitude is just one of the factors cornkc3. There are others. So it's probably not accurate to say you definitely won't have buzzing, but it may be accurate to say it won't be exacerbated by your altitude. smile.gif

The only buzzing I hear on mine is if I turn my receiver off and wait for a bright scene. Even then the buzzing is very minimal.
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The real "F8500 Owners" Thread is strictly for "OWNERS". It gets rid of all the arguments, flame wars, and other unnecessary discussions this thread has evolved into......this thread is alright for anyone who wants to talk about about the F8500 or any other brand tv to compare it with.....it should be left this way.
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I totally agree with this.....not a good move, unless you're a business owner...Ha. This thread has always been an "F8500 Discussion" Thread, for owners, non-owners, and prospective buyers. The real "F8500 Owners" Thread is strictly for "OWNERS". It gets rid of all the arguments, flame wars, and other unnecessary discussions this thread has evolved into......this thread is alright for anyone who wants to talk about about the F8500 or any other brand tv.....it should be left this way.

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^^^^^Ouch guys....lets give cp the benefit of the doubt. maybe he simply didn't realize there was an official owners thread yet. if not, and it was a "beneficial move" on his part, then flame away.

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^ He's posted many times in the new owners thread stating there is already an owners thread, when there wasn't.

The reason the owners thread was created was because many of us got fed up with the bickering about other brands of TV being better...
It made complete sense to create an owners thread. The two threads should be able to co-exist peacefully.

[edit] If this IS to become the owners thread, then Chris, if he has the rights or a mod needs to go through every page and remove off topic posts.
It's that simple.
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Thank You for changing the title back to a "Discussion Thread"......this really makes more sense. I will rescind my previous comment!
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^ He's posted many times in the new owners thread stating there is already an owners thread, when there wasn't.

The reason the owners thread was created was because many of us got fed up with the bickering about other brands of TV being better...
It made complete sense to create an owners thread. The two threads should be able to co-exist peacefully.

[edit] If this IS to become the owners thread, then Chris, if he has the rights or a mod needs to go through every page and remove off topic posts.
It's that simple.

fair enough...

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