Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr
I recently sent back my 65ZT60 over the fan noise and am very happy with the switch. To your questions:F8500 vs ZT60 on brightness
The F8500 is a lot brighter out of the box, almost like the ZT60 in game mode, the F8500 in Standard. Knocking down out of t box cell light, brightness, and contrast brings it in pretty darn good, even better when I tossed in the Disney WOW and DVE HD Essentials tune up discs. It never seems to blow out the colors except in Dynamic (game) mode where the color intensity makes things look a little cartoonish, that can be knocked down as well. I find the tune on Relax seems to be the closest to the ZT60.
I decided to use Standard for my bright room set-up and that is stunning in a very bright room, basically daylight brigh, almost like watching a good tube TV. Again this takes some tuning, I ended up using the Disney WOW and a couple other Blu-Ray "show-off" image discs to really dial standard in the room that bright. It it possible to hit cartoon colors but with things tuned up a bit the color in a bright room approaches a good LED, nice balance and the colors don't scream at you, amazing the shadows in things like The Dark Night were not bad, lost some, but not nearly I the ZT60 did as it visibly washed out a little under the same light levels.
I did the dark room set up in Movie and it is just stunning, I think better than the ZT60 watching a Blu-Ray movie, I watched Star Trek Into The Darkenss as my debut Blu-Ray on the ZT60 and have to say, with no tuning at all, in Movie, it was just stunning, so tight. Took a lot of putzing with the F8500 to get that effect, the "cross-talk" between settings is pretty significant compared to my old Plasma a Panasonic TH-50PZ85U (I did not try tuning the ZT60 as I knew the day I got it was going back, thing made more noise than my fridge.). Took me about 2 hours to get a real feel for how the controls interacted, then just a lot of baby step iterations to dial it in.F8500 vz ZT60 on Panel Buzz
I did not hear any buzz from the ZT60 (perhaps it could not beat our the fan noise...) nor can I on the f8500 unless I get behind it, notta from my viewing position at 12 feet, nor from the end of the couch at about 4 feet. which is not a good distance, the F8500 gets really picking about the viewing angle as you get real close and I do not recal the same on thre ZT60 but I can't remember if I looked at from that close, if I did I did not notice any effects, one the F8500 at 2-3 feet you get 15-20 degrees above or below center and the screen starts to turn black, I assume this is the anti-glare stuff. If you are listening from behind the set you can here the buzz get louder on all white screens, but again, nothing from listening distance.F8500 Annoyances:
- Unlike the Pani you can't disable sources not connected so they stay in the menu and even let you pick them only to yell at you about it...
- If the HDMI is signal drops, like when changing sources the TV throws up a Lost HDMI Error and forces you to cursor down and hit enter on the remote, this is really dumb, hopefully they can fix this in a firmware bump.
- Zoom does not let to get to use the full screen under all conditions, the best you can do on some sources is about 90% of the height of the screen, so a lot smaller top and bottom bars but given the inch I already gave up it seems they could do better, this is something all pani's seem to do very well, including the ZT60, you always have at least two options to use all of the screen, one that maintains the aspect ratio but chops from the side or one that distorts the picture, some folks seem to like everyone to look tall and skinny or short and fat, point is the pani zoom is great, this is so-so.
- The DNLA client has to be one of the worst ones I have ever used and none of the third party ones will work as far as I know so far, none available at the app store, the ZT60 was just as lame, it is usable on both for anything WMC or WMP can play, if you can find it and don't mind no controls except pause, stop, and jump to next show, ok for music and photo's but recorded TV and movies not so good.
- The keyboard does not work in most of the Samsung and other apps so it back to remote for a lot of stuff where you would most want the keyboard, it is however great in the broswer.
- The camera angle can't be adjusted, so for me using hand gestures is a real workout... I turned that and voice off, they are fun for few minutes but are no where near where they need to be and the set seems to be faster with them off, apps that is.
- No direct access to a specific source input makes automation integration harder.F8500 Cool Things:
- The DLNA gets here also, while the controls are poor, I record and strip commercials out in WMC and it records to .wtv format, the F8500 plays them perfectly, I notices the ZT60 strugged and often the video was so out of sync I could not watch it.
- Screen share with the Samsung Galaxy Tab that came with my set, this really works well, so good that it is better to use WatchOn (Samsung app) and get it from the TV then any other source. It is so clean, no drop outs or audio sync issues at all and a stunning picture on the tablet.
- The Android remote has a ways to go but it pretty cool also, tried a few others and they all seem to have their short comings but it is nice to play along as it matures.
- Blu-Tooth range is outstanding (your milage may vary, RF is pretty situational)
- I had mixed views on the base initially but now I see (or don't see to be more accurate) any cables behind it, even dressed pretty well, they are very hard to hide on the ZT60, but the ZT60 stand is pretty cool looking and has a lot smaller footprint, I was lucky that my stand happened to be 5 feet wide already.
- My came with the new little remote and the older long remote, this is really nice, the big one giving instant access to most things you want and the touch pad much better for dealing with navigation when the keyboard is not working or you don't feel like messing with it.
- Voice and gestures have some really cool "show-off" effects if you play with it a bit before you demo it, blew my neighbors away. Ok Ok this is a little superficial but so is a $3K TV so show it off say!
-USB media support
- Plenty of connection options
- Smart Remote, this is really working well with my cable box, does not suffer the typical IR issues, so far it has not missed once, even on a 4 digit channel change, displays the guide, menu, so fully functional for the cable box.
Overall I am glad I switched and not tried to put up with the fans on the ZT60, however had the ZT60 not made fan noise I would have totally happy with it, they both have great pictures.