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Ken: the answer should be obvious to any self respecting male-- choose the bigger one.

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Nicely done Ken. I used to do that in college -- write volumes to try and cover up for the fact that I didn't know the answer. You're the only person I know who has (I believe) the Pio Elite, the Sharp Elite and the 8500 -- certainly one of them would be the keeper out of the three. smile.gif

You nailed me Glashub. wink.gif

I can tell you the first to go out of those 3 is the Pro 151, no hesitation. As much as I loved that display, I really prefer both the Sharp Elite and the 8500 to it.

I'd imagine, based on its wider viewing angle, the 8500 might have an edge for most people.

That's my story and I may stick to it. wink.gif
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That tease of a sale on the 64F8500 is tempting me Chris, dang you, dang you to heck wink.gif .....

I must say I have a PN60E8000 a PN50C7000 and a UN46D8000 now I'm thinking to replace my C7000 with a PN51F8500 I will never go back to LED plasmas are so rich in color the LED TV'S ARE bright but that's it. Does the 51F8500 have the same panel as their big brothers.

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I see the pics of the unit on Big River and the back panel looks smooth and rounded.

How is VESA type wall mounting handled? Does the back panel pop off?

Those are stock images I believe, there were stick images with nothing on the back posted in the other F8500 thread as well....

According to the Quick setup manual the here hare the VESA patterns:

51 400 X 400
60 - 64 600 X 400
and youll need 4 M8 screws

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/EM/201303/20130305163032231/[PF8500-ZA]BN68-04835A-02ENG-0226.pdf
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You nailed me Glashub. wink.gif

I can tell you the first to go out of those 3 is the Pro 151, no hesitation. As much as I loved that display, I really prefer both the Sharp Elite and the 8500 to it.

I'd imagine, based on its wider viewing angle, the 8500 might have an edge for most people.

That's my story and I may stick to it. wink.gif

Ohhhhhhhh mannnnnnn! I hope you didn't just open up for a serious argument by stating "I can tell you the first to go out of those 3 is the Pro 151, no hesitation.". wink.gif

You may have to start a whole new thread for that statement, LOL! eek.gif

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You nailed me Glashub. wink.gif

I can tell you the first to go out of those 3 is the Pro 151, no hesitation. As much as I loved that display, I really prefer both the Sharp Elite and the 8500 to it.

I'd imagine, based on its wider viewing angle, the 8500 might have an edge for most people.

That's my story and I may stick to it. wink.gif

Wow! I can't believe I just read it. Thanks for taking a stand (kind of). smile.gif

All kidding aside -- thanks for all that you add to this forum. I always enjoy reading your posts.

(It'll be interesting to see how saprano, vinnie & the fellow from Scotland react to this).
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Ohhhhhhhh mannnnnnn! I hope you didn't just open up for a serious argument by stating "I can tell you the first to go out of those 3 is the Pro 151, no hesitation.". wink.gif

You may have to start a whole new thread for that statement, LOL! eek.gif

Nothing wrong with his opinion. wink.gif

Personally i don't think the Sharp is that amazing of a set. There's some qualities to it that bother me which i won't go into details in this thread.

I'll be taking a look at the F8500 this weekend. I have no doubt it's much better than the Sharp. IMO of course.

EDIT- Didn't you sell your 151 already, Ken?

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What does "IMO" mean?
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What does "IMO" mean?

"In my opinion"..if you see an H in it, that means "honest" (IMHO)
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I thought that it meant "In My HUMBLE Opinion" ! Maybe that's just the southern version
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Quick question to the pros:

I will feed my F8500 (on order) with a HTPC, a Mac Mini running Plex to be precise. I can alter the Mac's HDMI output gamma value to anything I want. Which gamma value should I choose? 1.8? 2.4? 2.2?

Thanks
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Ken I am still hung up on the possiblilty, or should I say the Inevitability of the set being left on a station with a banner or a logo and having to deal with the IR/Burnin issue....have you positively set the F8000 aside in favor of the F8500 ? Is the difference in picture quality really that great? Would the reflections of room lights and windows be worse with the plazma as compared to the LCD?
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I thought that it meant "In My HUMBLE Opinion" ! Maybe that's just the southern version

It can mean either, but most often it is humble.....
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Ken I am still hung up on the possiblilty, or should I say the Inevitability of the set being left on a station with a banner or a logo and having to deal with the IR/Burnin issue....have you positively set the F8000 aside in favor of the F8500 ? Is the difference in picture quality really that great? Would the reflections of room lights and windows be worse with the plazma as compared to the LCD?

In the end the choice is yours......If you watch "hard" logo channels a lot and for hours\days on end then Plasma might not be the right choice for you......There are many who dont know or dont care about IR and watch what they want from the start.....IR can be reversed so tehre is a way "out" of it......As far as the lights go, it all depends, its usually the brightness of the LCD that "defeats" the reflection of the lights....
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Ken I am still hung up on the possiblilty, or should I say the Inevitability of the set being left on a station with a banner or a logo and having to deal with the IR/Burnin issue....have you positively set the F8000 aside in favor of the F8500 ? Is the difference in picture quality really that great? Would the reflections of room lights and windows be worse with the plazma as compared to the LCD?

if it's any indication to the susceptibility of recent Samsungs to image retention/burn in, I have had a 64D7000 for a year, which has been tortured by long stretches of cartoon networks' painfully bright and large logo and a ton of 4:3 kids programs. It has no trace of image retention or burn in. My Panasonic TC-P50GT50 and the TG30 that preceeded it both showed image retention for a few seconds following even a menu being up for a few seconds. Samsung wins this game, which was the reverse pre 2011.
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Ken I am still hung up on the possiblilty, or should I say the Inevitability of the set being left on a station with a banner or a logo and having to deal with the IR/Burnin issue....have you positively set the F8000 aside in favor of the F8500 ? Is the difference in picture quality really that great? Would the reflections of room lights and windows be worse with the plazma as compared to the LCD?

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In the end the choice is yours......If you watch "hard" logo channels a lot and for hours\days on end then Plasma might not be the right choice for you......There are many who dont know or dont care about IR and watch what they want from the start.....IR can be reversed so tehre is a way "out" of it......As far as the lights go, it all depends, its usually the brightness of the LCD that "defeats" the reflection of the lights....

I'm in the same boat. I watch a lot of H2, History, Science, Discovery, etc. They all have static logos for the most part, it's stupid. I really want plasma this year, but the XBR950 may end up being the best choice for my situation. I definitely would not get an edge lit LED/LCD like the F8000 though...it would have to be full-array or plasma.

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Quick question to the pros:

I will feed my F8500 (on order) with a HTPC, a Mac Mini running Plex to be precise. I can alter the Mac's HDMI output gamma value to anything I want. Which gamma value should I choose? 1.8? 2.4? 2.2?

Thanks

I'm also using a Mac Mini as my HTPC. Ken had me set it to 2.2 yesterday during my calibration
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I have played games for an hour or two and had IR on my pn64f8500. If I turn on the scrolling bars, it's gone in a couple minutes. It seems to be a little more susceptible than the e7000, but I like that it goes away quickly. I'm not sure how many hours the panel has at this point. Anybody know how to check?
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I put on the Tron blu ray last night and the blacks were amazing. I don't think I would even care if it got deeper. It blends right into the bezel in a dark room. It reminded me of when I saw the hx929 in a dark room. TIL not to evaluate a tv until you watch a blu ray.
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I'm in the same boat. I watch a lot of H2, History, Science, Discovery, etc. They all have static logos for the most part, it's stupid. I really want plasma this year, but the XBR950 may end up being the best choice for my situation. I definitely would not get an edge lit LED/LCD like the F8000 though...it would have to be full-array or plasma.

I watch a lot of the same channels and have not had any issues on my 51E7000.

My wife gets to watch a lot of kids shows with my 3 year old (PBS Kids, Sprout, plenty of 4:3 content) and I've had no issues from that either.

When I watch a 2:35.1 Movie I'll have a slight band where the black bars were. If I run the scrolling anti IR feature the banding is gone within two scrolls. I'm happy to report that IR has not been an issue at all on my Samsung plasma. It was a real concern that simply has not been a problem for us - at all.

Good luck! smile.gif
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I watch a lot of the same channels and have not had any issues on my 51E7000.

My wife gets to watch a lot of kids shows with my 3 year old (PBS Kids, Sprout, plenty of 4:3 content) and I've had no issues from that either.

When I watch a 2:35.1 Movie I'll have a slight band where the black bars were. If I run the scrolling anti IR feature the banding is gone within two scrolls. I'm happy to report that IR has not been an issue at all on my Samsung plasma. It was a real concern that simply has not been a problem for us - at all.

Good luck! smile.gif

Thanks, I will probably either get the ZT60 or the F8500. I will have 30 days to evaluate and return if needed. If neither of these sets work out for me, I'm going to be really upset.

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Had my 64F8500 calibrated by Ken Whitcomb from Avical yesterday. Friendly and extremely knowledgeable guy. He told me he was in the 3rd ISF class ever! The calibration took a whopping 6hrs! He said he was having some sort of difficulty with the pre-cal numbers because something was wrong with the profiler on his CALman software. He tried correcting it for quite a long time before finally deciding to "do it the long way. The old school way." At this point he had already been going for hours, but like the consummate professional he patiently worked away until the job was done. I watched a little of the Samsara blu ray to judge how good the set looked post cal, and it looked great, but to be honest, by that point it was almost 3am and I could barely keep my eyes open. I'll do a more critical evaluation tonight and also post the post calibration report.
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How about removing my wife AND the relatives? wink.gif

Seriously though, therein lies the undeniable advantage of plasma, not just the 8500.

Good for you Ken. I think you made a good choice on taking the 8500 over the 8000.
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I put on the Tron blu ray last night and the blacks were amazing. I don't think I would even care if it got deeper. It blends right into the bezel in a dark room. It reminded me of when I saw the hx929 in a dark room. TIL not to evaluate a tv until you watch a blu ray.

Tron or Tron Legacy wink.gif Theres a difference :P

BTW another one to check out Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Pt 2, especially the scene where the Death Eaters attack Hogwarts......
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Had my 64F8500 calibrated by Ken Whitcomb from Avical yesterday. Friendly and extremely knowledgeable guy. He told me he was in the 3rd ISF class ever! The calibration took a whopping 6hrs! He said he was having some sort of difficulty with the pre-cal numbers because something was wrong with the profiler on his CALman software. He tried correcting it for quite a long time before finally deciding to "do it the long way. The old school way." At this point he had already been going for hours, but like the consummate professional he patiently worked away until the job was done. I watched a little of the Samsara blu ray to judge how good the set looked post cal, and it looked great, but to be honest, by that point it was almost 3am and I could barely keep my eyes open. I'll do a more critical evaluation tonight and also post the post calibration report.

Looking forward to hearing your report.smile.gif Samsara is an excellent Blu-ray.
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Had my 64F8500 calibrated by Ken Whitcomb from Avical yesterday. Friendly and extremely knowledgeable guy. He told me he was in the 3rd ISF class ever! The calibration took a whopping 6hrs! He said he was having some sort of difficulty with the pre-cal numbers because something was wrong with the profiler on his CALman software. He tried correcting it for quite a long time before finally deciding to "do it the long way. The old school way." At this point he had already been going for hours, but like the consummate professional he patiently worked away until the job was done. I watched a little of the Samsara blu ray to judge how good the set looked post cal, and it looked great, but to be honest, by that point it was almost 3am and I could barely keep my eyes open. I'll do a more critical evaluation tonight and also post the post calibration report.

What were Ken's overall impressions of the set?

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What were Ken's overall impressions of the set?[/quote

He was very impressed with the way the set looked with just the minimal settings I had adjusted out of the box. After the calibration he said that Samsara looked beautiful. Again, it was 3am so it was a bit tough for either of us to be excited about anything. Before he left he did say that he sees this tv as a heavy hitter this year.
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Wall Mounting this puppy

Hey all I got the 60 inch 8500 and I want to mount it over my gas fireplace. The fireplace has a low profile so the TV won't be crazy high like some fireplace installs. I also want to make the TV flush with the wall, so I want to cut out behind it (there is enough space before the flume). How bad do you think the heat will be an issue with the TV, is it just not possible? Also if I do a flush mounting will there need to be any cooling installed behind the tv in the wall? Like a small fan? Do you suggest using the WMN2000C to mount?
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Wall Mounting this puppy

Hey all I got the 60 inch 8500 and I want to mount it over my gas fireplace. The fireplace has a low profile so the TV won't be crazy high like some fireplace installs. I also want to make the TV flush with the wall, so I want to cut out behind it (there is enough space before the flume). How bad do you think the heat will be an issue with the TV, is it just not possible? Also if I do a flush mounting will there need to be any cooling installed behind the tv in the wall? Like a small fan? Do you suggest using the WMN2000C to mount?

I personally wouldnt flush mount above a fireplace, the soot and smoke on top of the heat would be what would worry me. You would need to measure the heat when you have the fireplace going to see if it fall withing opereating parameters.
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Yep, measuring the heat output this weekend, I think the soot/smoke on this gas fireplace is pretty minimal, the heat is what I am worried about.
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