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Zbob you will only be able to select auto1 or auto2 when playing a DVD in 24p mode - 1080i or 480i.

When able to, auto1 is the mode to pick.

Cinema Smooth is for BluRay 24p 1080p sources.
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So I ordered a 60 inch 8500 from best buy yesterday. Won't be getting it for 2 weeks unfortunately. Right now I have a 55 inch Samsung led from 2010. I had it mounted to the wall and the wires run into the wall when I moved in. My question is if the power cord is the same do you think I can use the cord from the led. I have no idea how to run the new power cord through the wall if I have to use the new one that will come with the plasma. I don't know if the plasma will have a different voltage
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Lol....was wrong on the price, it's 999, still a good deal or no and is there much difference in PQ in the newer 8500? Any way to check hours on them like the Pannys?
Probably not I guess, as the PN60F5500 are real cheap brand new, like $1300.
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Probably not I guess, as the PN60F5500 are real cheap brand new, like $1300.

Thanks, is the 5500 as good as the 8000?
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Probably not I guess, as the PN60F5500 are real cheap brand new, like $1300.


I assume you just quoted $1,300 off the top of your head as they are selling on Samsung's site for $1,099.  w/free shipping.  

 

My local dealer tells me the top of the line F8500 goes on sale next week with another price reduction and they are keeping the free soundbar bundle deal. 

 

Glad to see plasma hanging in and prices going the way we all expect and like them to do.

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My samsung looks as good as your kuro, plus it's bigger :-)
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reference level display with 0.02Y blacks and only 10700:1 ansi contrast ratio?
can you explain what you mean by reference?
what is your reference?

It may be reference to you but it isnt a reference display.
A reference display doesnt have glowing blacks in a dark room.
With 0.02Y you have glowing washed out blacks.

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I assume you just quoted $1,300 off the top of your head as they are selling on Samsung's site for $1,099.  w/free shipping.  

My local dealer tells me the top of the line F8500 goes on sale next week with another price reduction and they are keeping the free soundbar bundle deal. 

Glad to see plasma hanging in and prices going the way we all expect and like them to do.

By "local dealer" do you mean a certain big box store where the employees where blue shirts?
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No, ^ this is a good sized independent specialty a/v integrator that is referred to as VE.   They are about 10 miles from my home. 

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No, ^ this is a good sized independent specialty a/v integrator that is referred to as VE.   They are about 10 miles from my home. 

Ah, you mean Robert and co. Did they give any kind of hint about the size of the discount?
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Ah, you mean Robert and co. Did they give any kind of hint about the size of the discount?

I ordered this TV from them about a week or so ago. Getting the calibration package and the whole shebang. Have never ordered from them before. People who have: will they retroactively price match this upcoming discount, or will I just have to learn not to be so jumpy with regards to purchases in the future? smile.gif
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Thanks, is the 5500 as good as the 8000?
Close enough, only a keen eye would probably catch the differences from an older model to this value priced new model.
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My samsung looks as good as your kuro, plus it's bigger :-)

LOL
10000:1 vs 40000:1 ansi contrast
who wins?
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LOL
10000:1 vs 40000:1 ansi contrast
who wins?
You win. Now can we move on.
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LOL
10000:1 vs 40000:1 ansi contrast
who wins?

Depends on who you believe. 55,779:1

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421477,00.asp

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Depends on who you believe. 55,779:1

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421477,00.asp

thats on off contrast.
you dont get any 300cd/m2 with an ansi checkerboard not even on the f8500

i cant measure on off contrast with my Xrite i1 Display pro.
the blacks are to low
it only reads down to 0.002Y cd/m2

but ok i must say that is has an impressive peak brightness for a plasma.
great work samsung!
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thats on off contrast.
you dont get any 300cd/m2 with an ansi checkerboard not even on the f8500

i cant measure on off contrast with my Xrite i1 Display pro.
the blacks are to low
it only reads down to 0.002Y cd/m2

Black levels as low as .001 fL vs .0005 fL for Kuros. Pretty darn close. http://www.tweaktv.com/in-dspth-hdtv-reviews/preliminary-review-of-samsungs-new-pn60f8500-plasma.html

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^That's an outlier...not that it makes much difference, but 0.002 seems to be the value most commonly attained.
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^That's an outlier...not that it makes much difference, but 0.002 seems to be the value most commonly attained.

It may or may not be an outlier. With latest firmware updates, it very may well be a reality.

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That review is from March 2013, so I guess they instituted some retroactive PQ improvements in more recent firmware. wink.gif It was the poorest black level performer in May among the top 3 contenders, so I would love to hear from someone with a meter to substantiate these claims with recent firmware (and also confirm that the level isn't being cheated by way of the floating black phenomenon).
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That review is from March 2013, so I guess they instituted some retroactive PQ improvements in more recent firmware. wink.gif It was the poorest black level performer in May among the top 3 contenders, so I would love to hear from someone with a meter to substantiate these claims with recent firmware (and also confirm that the level isn't being cheated by way of the floating black phenomenon).

The question is if they did update to the latest firmware in the May shootout, or using one prior to the March firmware that was used. OOTB models can vary considerably when it comes to firmware. When was it built? What firmware was on it when it was tested? Many variables. Unless we have those answers, I can't say one way or the other with absolute confidence.

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Can't imagine how they would make that oversight at something so heavily scrutinized (especially when Kevin Miller was involved with both the TweakTV review and the shootout). I'm going by the known accepted values and not an outlier or hunch in the meantime.
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I had never had motion issues with either my C7000 or my C8000 (that I or anyone else noticed) but the CBS NFL broadcast seems to have presented issues to my F8500 yesterday - I'm not known to be much of a "tweaker" but I might be interested in maybe some recommended changes. The "pre-game" was an interesting experience also, towards the middle of to the end of they were showing some "archived" footage, to the right of the screen they introduced some "cob-webbing" and it was mentioned that "the damned screen just pooped". Anyone else notice? I guess I was a "victim of the comment" just because the display is less than 30 days old. I mentioned it might be because of the lack of proper support "width wise" of the display, mine relies on the 600 X 400 VESA mounts "center-rear".

I gave many "pairs of ears" of various aged individuals the opportunity to point out "the buzz" that has been mentioned I can't hear and know less about because of my "aging ears" but none could. 1ft - 2ft - 3ft - left - center - right, all I got were "shoulder-shrugs". I'll assume that when I mention "I don' have a buzzer" it's been verified. I did NOT check ID's but I assumed the random of sorts group was significant enough to validate the statement.
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Black levels as low as .001 fL vs .0005 fL for Kuros. Pretty darn close.

 

As soon as you start comparing Samsung black levels to the Panny VT/ZT series or Kuro, some people seem to go ballistic.

 

However, I continue to see black levels on my F8500 that are identical to the ZT60 and it's nice to see other reviews state such is possible.

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As soon as you start comparing Samsung black levels to the Panny VT/ZT series or Kuro, some people seem to go ballistic.

However, I continue to see black levels on my F8500 that are identical to the ZT60 and it's nice to see other reviews state such is possible.
Looking at this video you can clearly see the the black levels of the ZT (on the left) in a semi-lit environment being superior to the F8500 and VT60. If you can't see a difference when they are side by side then I don't know what to tell you. It is literally night and day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcXcsN37v1I
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I don't know what to tell you. It is literally night and day.

 

I don't know what to tell you either.  I have owned both.  Compared content on both.  

 

I stand by my statement.  

 

However, certainly, it's all subjective.

 

We will just have to agree to disagree.

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I don't know what to tell you either.  I have owned both.  Compared content on both.  

I stand by my statement.  

However, certainly, it's all subjective.

We will just have to agree to disagree.
Can I just ask if you see a difference in black levels in the video or do they all look identical to you?
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^ Even though the ZTs blacks are darker, the shootout example isn't a good one.-

There could be a very slight difference in the angle of the screens vertically or horizontally by a degree or two and one could be reflecting back more ambient room light than the other.
there could be an extra light beaming onto the speakers closer to the F8500 etc etc.

I've seen the ZT and the F8500 up close side-by-side and although the ZT is slightly darker, as soon as you increase ambient light up to minimal levels, both TV's blacks appear as dark as each other. Unless you watch in a bat cave, there really is no reason to get the ZT but rather the F8500 for all the other nice things it can do in lighter environments.
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Can I just ask if you see a difference in black levels in the video or do they all look identical to you?

 

I watched several Blu-rays on the ZT60 before trading it out for the F8500.  Re-watched key scenes over to compare.  The black levels are exactly the same.

 

I even see the same inky black level within the Oppo Blu-ray screen.

 

On HD broadcast content, the same.  What's even better on the F8500 is that I seem to be achieving the same black levels with incredible whites as well.  On the ZT60, white levels looked more grey.

 

BTW, a great show (if you are into it) to see nice black levels is REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER. There are some intense levels of black within his set design which I was able to compare on both displays. 

 

Of course, I can continue to talk about this, when the subject is brought up, and people usually come back at me angry that I could say such a thing.

 

Same reason why there are dozens of reviews out there citing differences of opinion between both displays and why there are several members here who either agree or disagree with my assessment.

 

The truth is, no two people will necessarily see the same picture.   Truth be, both the ZT60 and F8500 are exceptional displays, both at the top of their class, and offer their own separate set of advantages.

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^ Even though the ZTs blacks are darker, the shootout example isn't a good one.-

There could be a very slight difference in the angle of the screens vertically or horizontally by a degree or two and one could be reflecting back more ambient room light than the other.
there could be an extra light beaming onto the speakers closer to the F8500 etc etc.

I've seen the ZT and the F8500 up close side-by-side and although the ZT is slightly darker, as soon as you increase ambient light up to minimal levels, both TV's blacks appear as dark as each other. Unless you watch in a bat cave, there really is no reason to get the ZT but rather the F8500 for all the other nice things it can do in lighter environments.

That was the exact same thing I saw, I saw them side by side with 2001: A Space Odyssey (Blu-Ray cut) from nearly pitch black to daylight type levels. In that setting I could see the difference and the ZT was darker, but the whites were duller, with a very very subtle blue/gray hue to it. Taking the light up to what might be called dusk I could no longer see any difference in blacks and white was still noticeable better on the F8500, at low light they were essentially a dead tie, I don't know if I could pick one at 10 feet in a blind test, but then at light levels you can comfortably read in, for me the Samsung just walked away from the ZT60, it was night and day (pun intended), the Pani looked overall dull. At this point we swapped on one of my favorite movies to "test" with, Top Gun, not a dark movie at all but a boat load of detail and motion. Again a roughly daylight levels (not direct sun) the F8500 to me was clearly better, overall crisper colors. The interesting thing to me was Top Gun looked better from the darkest we could get the room to the brightest, same for Cars. The Pani did a better job on Pirates of the Caribbean (first one) and Ghost in the lowest light and then followed the same trend as 2001.

So if I had a light controlled room and mostly watched Blu-Ray movies I think I would go with the ZT60 if I could get one that did not sound like a refrigerator, because I have to believe in a true Home Theater room there is even less ambient noise than in our living room.

I think the experts nailed it near the beginning when they all agreed the F8500 was the better all around set, but with all of the right conditions the Pani was better, not a lot better but better. We watch mostly HD TV from cable and most of the time with at least one lamp on in the room unless we are doing movie night, but even then it is not theater dark, so the F8500 is the better set for us.
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BTW, a great show (if you are into it) to see nice black levels is REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER. There are some intense levels of black within his set design which I was able to compare on both displays. 
You really weren't able to compare both displays since the ZT was removed from your home when the F8500 was delivered. So in all fairness, you really aren't comparing anything. You are going by memory and what you think you remember which has waaaaaaaaaaaaay to many variables involved.

I will trust the pro's who actually do have these TV's to compare as well as the equipment to test. Opinions and perception is questionable.

I really don't understand why F8500 owners cannot just give in on this one. You have a great TV. The blacks do not equal that of the ZT. Done! There really isn't anything to argue over that. The F8500 looks better in a day lit room over the VT60. At night the VT60 will have better blacks then the F8500 and equal to that of the ZT60. In the daytime the ZT60 blacks will be blacker then the F8500 and the VT60. The F8500 will get brighter then the ZT60 and VT60.

Now if you want to bring in the ST60, I have seen mixed reports but some say the blacks in a dark room are equal to or better then the F8500. This is for a whole other war. hahahah
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