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Again to argue the KURO black levels you cannot make up claims from posts...
You need a reputable Source and ICE couldn't provide one. The source I used was
from SOUND & VISION. Your welcome to find another. but we've already moved onto ANSI CHECKERBOARD

I am an Impartial Jury and only take known sources when I make my conclusions....all the rest is SPECULATION
and unverifiable.

Also, Kuro's can have their MLL lowered through software down to around .0001 ft/L. There seems to be pixel misfiring if lower than that. D-Nice aka DeWayne Davis is the calibrator who does this. The .0005 ft/L is coming from him. To my knowledge, no major reviewer tackled the 500m/101FD except Sound & Vision around 4-5 years ago.
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Hello....Quick question for anyone who has wall mounted a 64 inch model. I saw that you have to use 4 M8 screws. Do the M8 screws come in different lengths? If so, which length do you recommend for this model?
Thanks for any responses, as my search did not provide an exact answer and I am not that handy (if you could not tell already).

I believe that the standard screw is 1/2". If you use a spacer, you'll need a longer screw.

I used a Peerless universal adapter plate with 1/2" spacers and 1" M8 screws for my 64", so that I could unplug the F8500 when I wanted to. The power connection is in a really bad place, near the center of the back, and pointing out towards the wall instead of pointing down. (I liked my Kuro much better in that regard, power connection was in a recess near the bottom, pointing down).

I also wanted to have as much air circulation as possible back there.

I'm using an articulating arm wall mount, but the principles for the screws should be the same for almost any wall mount.
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sorry can't help with what length you need, but yes they come in different lengths. M8 is basically the width/thread pitch of the screw, it can be made in any length(though i'm sure there's a standard range).

normally the length will vary a bit on the mount, you need it to be long enough to run through your mount, and i'd say at least 1/2-3/4inch into the back of the TV.


Thanks for response. I currently have a Sony 55 inch TV mounted on the wall with this mount: http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-SF660P-Universal-Low-Profile-Non-Security/dp/B000ALXV1E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393275445&sr=8-1&keywords=peerless+tv+mount+sf660P

I was going to use the same mount and I do not think Sony uses the same mounting screws as Samsung.
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Hello....Quick question for anyone who has wall mounted a 64 inch model. I saw that you have to use 4 M8 screws. Do the M8 screws come in different lengths? If so, which length do you recommend for this model?
Thanks for any responses, as my search did not provide an exact answer and I am not that handy (if you could not tell already).

M8 X 1.25 X 16 or more to 20 will work. I used these studs to keep the brackets of off the rear panel and I'm very happy with them. I'd use them again.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/x2pcs-M8-x-1-25-Stud-316-SS-Double-End-Shoulder-Stainless-/200893751675?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec633617b
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I just got an email reply from Robert Zohn at Value Electronics,

 

He just sent me the Movie Settings that they used for the Value Electronics Shootout:

So here they are for the AVS community. ENJOY!

 

PN64F8500 Movie Mode Calibration Settings
Picture mode: Movie
Cell Light: 15
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 5
Color: 50
Advanced Settings
-Dynamic Contrast: Off
-Black Tone: Off
-Flesh Tone: 0
-RGB Only Mode: Off
-Color Space: Auto
-10p White Balance: On
Interval 1
Red -1
Green -1
Blue +1
Interval 2
Red 0
Green 0
Blue 0
Interval 3
Red -1
Green -1
Blue 0
Interval 4
Red -1
Green 0
Blue +2
Interval 5
Red +1
Green +2
Blue +1
Interval 6
Red +4
Green +5
Blue +3
Interval 7
Red -1
Green +3
Blue +2
Interval 8
Red +3
Green +3
Blue 0
Interval 9
Red +4
Green +4
Blue +2
Interval 10
Red -6
Green 0
Blue -3
-Gamma: 0
-Expert Pattern: Off
-Motion Lighting: Off
Picture Options
Color Tone: Warm2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Normal
Film Mode: Auto2
Motion Judder Canceller: Off
Black optimizer: Dark room

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The arguing is getting tiresome. Again, you ignore that different HT enthusiasts have different priorities (audio versus video and the parameters within). That doesn't mean they're anal, just that they place some performance parameters above others in the order of priority.

then using the same idea.....the relentless discussion about what has the lowest black level is even more tiresome

some of us have some semblance of light in our rooms

that ONE fact could dictate our buying selection

the F8500..hands down

as far as audio vs video...yes its true you could be anal about video and have craptastic audio taste


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Some semblance of light is yet another exaggeration, but I'm beyond tired of going down this road with you. Also, since you're once again going with all or nothing, one could have a sufficient audio system (that is not craptastic) that doesn't cost $20-40k and still appreciate deep blacks.
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Some semblance of light is yet another exaggeration, but I'm beyond tired of going down this road with you. Also, since you're once again going with all or nothing, one could have a sufficient audio system (that is not craptastic) that doesn't cost $20-40k and still appreciate deep blacks.


"sufficient" is a relative and subjective term

but you get my point...about bringing up black levels again and again

I am beyond tired of that


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Ditto Warren.
I have read my share of Black Level remarks.
There are so many other things that go into making a good picture on a display for general viewing. I mean the black levels now on most High quality display are so close it takes a meter or a real dark viewing area to see the difference. Now the other things are very noticeable in all viewing areas. Overall Picture Quality, Fine Detail, Pop in the picture, White being white, and just Color Balance and Saturation in General. Let's look at the picture in a normal household on a average daytime viewing area.
I don't watch my display in a cave during the day or with my morning coffee.
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agreed...LOL

just tired of reading the same stuff again and again about that
splitting hairs on miniscule differences in black levels...in the grand scheme of TV selection, is a wasted post

but anyway...back to F8500 discussion

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I just got an email reply from Robert Zohn at Value Electronics,

Hey just sent me the Movie Settings that they used for the Value Electronics Shootout:
So here they are for the AVS community. ENJOY!

PN64F8500 Movie Mode Calibration Settings
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What do the Cognoscenti here think about these settings, given that there have been firmware updates since that event, and we know that the firmware updates have affected the picture?

(I'm aware of the "no two televisions are alike" caveat).
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What i'm noticing overall with the Firmware updates is that most AVS Members use a higher

Contrast going from 90 up to 95 typically, and some prefer 0 Sharpness while V.E uses 5.

 

Other than that Value Electronics only calibrated for 10p White Balance.

While AVS member do the 10p & 2pt & Color Space

 

So do any of the AVS members with true calibration tools know what settings have been altered

by these FirmWare Updates (Improvements) thus requiring setting changes???

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Additionally I wasn't here from the beginning as i'm a newer F8500 owner.

 

Can somebody sum up the FirmWare Updates, showing what changes have been made for each update, 

Starting from Manufacture Release till the most current...?

 

FW 119.1 (2-16-14)

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What i'm noticing overall with the Firmware updates is that most AVS Members use a higher
Contrast going from 90 up to 95 typically, and some prefer 0 Sharpness while V.E uses 5.

Other than that Value Electronics only calibrated for 10p White Balance.
While AVS member do the 10p & 2pt & Color Space

So do any of the AVS members with true calibration tools know what settings have been altered
by these FirmWare Updates (Improvements) thus requiring setting changes???
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What i'm noticing overall with the Firmware updates is that most AVS Members use a higher
Contrast going from 90 up to 95 typically, and some prefer 0 Sharpness while V.E uses 5.

Other than that Value Electronics only calibrated for 10p White Balance.
While AVS member do the 10p & 2pt & Color Space

So do any of the AVS members with true calibration tools know what settings have been altered
by these FirmWare Updates (Improvements) thus requiring setting changes???

The shootout settings may be different as they may been been trying to set each tv to an equal output. Perhaps a contrast of 90 along with a cell light of 15 produced 31fl, and set all tv's to get that output so they could then properly compare results. A higher contrast along with a higher cell light will produce a brighter image.
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LMAO I know what Black Levels the Kuro gets....why don't you tell me the PEAK WHITE and i'll use your numbers? You cannot lie to a CALCULATOR
by the way I need the SOURCE of your PEAK WHITE and it cannot be a forum.
Ya know who cares, there is one stop now in town, a Samsung plasma. Buy one or don't, either way you have one choice as the LG's are not so good.
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The shootout settings may be different as they may been been trying to set each tv to an equal output. Perhaps a contrast of 90 along with a cell light of 15 produced 31fl, and set all tv's to get that output so they could then properly compare results. A higher contrast along with a higher cell light will produce a brighter image.

All the sets at the VE Shootout were set to 40 fl, except the VT60 (35 fl) and ZT60 (30 fl) - they couldn't go higher without sacrificing quality.

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All the sets at the VE Shootout were set to 40 fl, except the VT60 (35 fl) and ZT60 (30 fl) - they couldn't go higher without sacrificing quality.

Chad B found a way to calibrate the Panasonics rather well in high panel brightness mode that would easily exceed 40 ftL now.

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So I take it that nobody has the Play-by-Play for all the changes in FirmWare Updates for the F8500 from date of manufacture???

 

Just wondering what all they have addressed...

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So I take it that nobody has the Play-by-Play for all the changes in FirmWare Updates for the F8500 from date of manufacture???

Just wondering what all they have addressed...
From what I have seen in 4 updates is mostly in the app department and small fixes for a couple firmware hiccups. I have seen No change in picture quality or settings with any of my Calibration equipment. (i.e. Chromapure Software, Accupel 5000 Test generator, and Xrite iPro 1 meter that was Calibrated against a Klein 10A meter). The changes I seen were so small they could of came from the time/temp. of day the readings were taken. Some people over on the F8500 settings thread have seen larger differences, but I have not. I have just updated to the latest today and have not had a chance to put a meter on it for this update. I think I saw a slight change in brightness level, but I can't be sure until I get a meter on it and reference against old settings. The reason I say this is to be sure it's not a Broadcast thing from the broadcasters. I think the next time I Calibrate I am going to shoot for a BT1886 Gamma curve just to see how it looks. I have seen 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 and 1886 look different on different sets. Some of them pleasing and some not so much. It has to be a personal thing.

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So I take it that nobody has the Play-by-Play for all the changes in FirmWare Updates for the F8500 from date of manufacture???

Just wondering what all they have addressed...

They pretty much say the same thing each update, so it's kind of just hard to tell...
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They pretty much say the same thing each update, so it's kind of just hard to tell...
Yup, they always improve picture quality. Lol
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Ditto Warren.
I have read my share of Black Level remarks.
There are so many other things that go into making a good picture on a display for general viewing. I mean the black levels now on most High quality display are so close it takes a meter or a real dark viewing area to see the difference. Now the other things are very noticeable in all viewing areas. Overall Picture Quality, Fine Detail, Pop in the picture, White being white, and just Color Balance and Saturation in General. Let's look at the picture in a normal household on a average daytime viewing area.
I don't watch my display in a cave during the day or with my morning coffee.
Why do people always think unless you own a Samsung F8500 you need to watch every other plasma in a cave.

You obviously never owned a Panasonic Plasma and are just talking out of your a!!

The black thing has been beaten to death but I think it's pretty funny how you guys just make things up. The black levels on my Panasonic actually look better when their is some light in the room. This whole cave thing has gotten ridiculously out of hand and is only mentioned by people who never actually owned a Panasonic Plasma because if you did you would not be making a statement like that.

I am not hear to argue which TV is better or blacker but I will call out people who post something that they obviously know nothing about.

Even an LG Plasma would look fine in the morning while drinking your coffee since their wouldn't really be any sun beating down on it. There is life beyond the F8500 that does just fine during morning coffee.
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If you are watching your F8500 at the brightest peak white level you shouldn't even own one. It is to good of a TV for someone who does not understand the difference between the brightest you can get a picture and the best you can get a picture. Go buy an LED if the brightest picture you can possibly get is what is important to you because their peak white levels will even be more.

Don't the Samsung LEDs get a contrast ratio like 15 million to 1. Wow, those edge lits must look nice.
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From what I have seen in 4 updates is mostly in the app department and small fixes for a couple firmware hiccups. I have seen No change in picture quality or settings with any of my Calibration equipment. (i.e. Chromapure Software, Accupel 5000 Test generator, and Xrite iPro 1 meter that was Calibrated against a Klein 10A meter). The changes I seen were so small they could of came from the time/temp. of day the readings were taken. Some people over on the F8500 settings thread have seen larger differences, but I have not. I have just updated to the latest today and have not had a chance to put a meter on it for this update. I think I saw a slight change in brightness level, but I can't be sure until I get a meter on it and reference against old settings. The reason I say this is to be sure it's not a Broadcast thing from the broadcasters. I think the next time I Calibrate I am going to shoot for a BT1886 Gamma curve just to see how it looks. I have seen 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 and 1886 look different on different sets. Some of them pleasing and some not so much. It has to be a personal thing.

Calman's latest versons have all defaulted to BT1886
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You obviously never owned a Panasonic Plasma and are just talking out of your a!!

.

and yet another post you make that makes zero sense and shows just how much you lack

actually I have owned a couple of Panasonic plasmas...and still own one of them

as I said to one of your post in another thread when you "hinted"about affordability

did you take a look at my signature panel?....cool.gif....OBVIOUSLY you didnt...lol

Reading really is fundamental you know......rolleyes.gif

and yes I still stand by what I said about if there is ANY light in the room and TV watching

do yourself( and others ) a favor

try to see the obvious before you speak out of your A^%

this is at least the second time I have seen you post like this..

and btw..if you doubt it..I guess I will take the time to post pictures in the room of the item(s)
As I know every once in a while you have to deal with those that cant read....


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If you are watching your F8500 at the brightest peak white level you shouldn't even own one. It is to good of a TV for someone who does not understand the difference between the brightest you can get a picture and the best you can get a picture. Go buy an LED if the brightest picture you can possibly get is what is important to you because their peak white levels will even be more.

Don't the Samsung LEDs get a contrast ratio like 15 million to 1. Wow, those edge lits must look nice.

and who are you to say how someone should watch their TV?

all that table shows is the capability of three TV's and their contrast ratio

if that represents what someone will view/realize in their viewing environment...be it black or white levels is a completely other issue

another post that proves how well you can read I guess....tongue.gif

The fact that the Panasonics were even on the chart is really at moot point at this time....since they are going the way of the Dodo bird
Its amazing how a company has the fan boys defending their product.....but just could never turn a profit with the products?
Just like a dog that chases cars...companies that dont make a profit dont typically last long.....rolleyes.gif


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....And round and round the debates go.

If you bought a Panasonic plasma and like it, great, enjoy it.
If you bought a Samsung plasma and like it, great, enjoy it.

The differences between the two panels is really just splitting hairs.

The reasons that someone purchased a Panasonic over a Samsung, or vice versa is inconsequential. They chose it because it looked better to THEM, in their situation, which is all that really matters.

Can we please just move on, these debates have become tiresome, and you're not going to convince the other guy that yours is better.

Lets just enjoy the technology while it's still available.
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....And round and round the debates go.

If you bought a Panasonic plasma and like it, great, enjoy it.
If you bought a Samsung plasma and like it, great, enjoy it.

The differences between the two panels is really just splitting hairs.

The reasons that someone purchased a Panasonic over a Samsung, or vice versa is inconsequential. They chose it because it looked better to THEM, in their situation, which is all that really matters.

Can we please just move on, these debates have become tiresome, and you're not going to convince the other guy that yours is better.

Lets just njoy the technology while it's still available.

agreed...as I said a few times in this thread
I dont know why the subject keeps being brought up

then a few pages later....here we go again

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agreed...as I said a few times in this thread
I dont know why the subject keeps being brought up

then a few pages later....here we go again

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It usually comes up over and over again because a Samsung fan boys continue to spew crap about Panasonic's. And if you still claim that you need to watch a Panasonic Plasma in a cave to enjoy the picture it truly shows what a fanboy you really are.

You do the same Samsung trolling all over slick deals as well. You can deny it all you want but your posts tell the truth.

And if someone is so concerned of fake contrast ratios then they would be much happier with an LED.

If you go into the Panasonic threads no one their brings up the F8500. You come in here and it is always a Panasonic bash like you guys need to prove that your panel is better or something. Maybe if their wasn't so much miss information spewed in here we wouldn't need to always correct for people who actually want to know the truth.

And you don't own a VT60 or ZT60 so comparing your older model Panasonic makes no sense. In that case we shouldn't be discussing the F8500 in comparison but a 3 year old Samsung Plasma.

Oh, and we get it. You got a good deal on an F8500 and that is why you bought it. You wouldn't pay full price for it. You want to talk about moving on, how many more times can you possibly post about that.
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